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louey be honest. YOU are a sedevacantist therefore YOU are outside the Church. You believe that the last three Popes are apostates and false Popes. Your salvation is in serious jeopardy.
The following applies to YOU.
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence,* Bull Cantate Domino*, 1441: “The most Holy Roman Catholic Church firmly believes, professes, and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews,** heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal**; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her"
Our Refuge, no, it is you, and all who remain in the VII church who are outside the Catholic Church. The church you adhere to is not the Catholic Church. You are separted from the Catholic Church by heresy, and at best, as a schismatic. Either way, you are on the road to perdition unless you abjure of your heresies, and come into the Catholic Church. I am a Catholic, and yes, the Holy See is vacant. The last Pope of the Catholic Church was Pope Pius XII. You are aware that this topic is banned for discussion. Many can not tolerate the Truth.
 
Yes, I do understand what you mean. I can not agree, as I am a Catholic. My opinion does not matter, my sentiments do not matter. Catholic’s must believe what the Church declares dogmatically. “none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her…” This is what a Catholic must believe if he want’s to remain a Catholic. (Bull Cantate Domino, Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, 1441)
Ok lou, let me try one more time, pure and simple, if you live in a outside world and you have no way of even knowing of the Catholic faith, how can God not except you for something that is no way your fault. And if you believe in the Catholic Church and the teachings why dont you believe what it says in the CCC. That post we were talking about. We must believe that tbe Pope is guided by God and that is what the Pope said.
 
Louey

Who are YOU to say everybody is a heretic, and are doomed to hell, for believing a child who has know way of knowing God, would not have a chance at salvation if he is not part of the Catholic church. I feel sorry for YOU Louey. and I will pray for YOU, to see that God loves and accepts ALL children; even the ones who are not as fortunate as yourself to be given a chance to know HIM. or even be a “Catholic”. I think if you keep thinking like you do, you would not be a very good disciple of Christ.
You’d scare away any converts with your barbaric thinking, and dont say "it’s not my thinking, it’s the dogmas, or catholic church etc. have your own heart.

Mike
 
Ok lou, let me try one more time, pure and simple, if you live in a outside world and you have no way of even knowing of the Catholic faith, how can God not except you for something that is no way your fault. And if you believe in the Catholic Church and the teachings why dont you believe what it says in the CCC. That post we were talking about. We must believe that tbe Pope is guided by God and that is what the Pope said.
Rinnie, let me clarify; when you say an “outside world and have no way of knowing the Catholic faith,” am I to understand you mean, let’s say a remote island? Do you not believe that with God all things are possible? God is omnificent, omnipotent, most just, most loving. Do you believe he would not bring the Gospel to someone who is following the natural law written upon his heart, seeking to do the will of God? Of course He would. Pope Pius IX addresses your inquires better than I. Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quadem, 1854: But, just as the way of charity demands, let us pour forth continual prayers that all nations everywhere may be converted to Christ; and let us be devoted to the common salvation of men in proportion to our strength, ‘for the hand of the Lord is not shortened’ (Isa. 9:1) and the gifts of heavenly grace will not be wanting those who sincerely wish and ask to be refreshed by this light. Truths of this sort should be deeply fixed in the minds of the faithful."
Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quadem, 1854: Nothing more excellent has been given by the providence of God to man than the authority of divine faith; that this is for us, as it were, a torch in the darkness, a guide which we follow to life; that this is absolutely necessary for salvation; for, ‘without faith… it is impossible to please God’ [Heb. 11:6] and ‘he that believeth not, shall be condemned’ [Mk. 16:16].
What does scripture tell us about those who remain in darkness. "Whom he predestinated, them he also called. And whom he called, them he also justified. And whom he justified, them he also glorified.” (Rom. 8:30)
"I am the good shepherd: and I know mine, and mine know me. … My sheep hear my voice. And I know them: and they follow me. …And other sheep I have that are not of this fold: them also I must bring. And they shall hear my voice: And there shall be one fold and one shepherd.” (Jn. 14, 27, 16)
"If our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel… should not shine unto them.” (2Cor. 4:3-4) And those to whom it is preached and remain in unbelief are not His sheep. “But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep.” (Jn. 10:26) I hope this helps in answering your question rinnie.
 
Louey

Who are YOU to say everybody is a heretic, and are doomed to hell, for believing a child who has know way of knowing God, would not have a chance at salvation if he is not part of the Catholic church. I feel sorry for YOU Louey. and I will pray for YOU, to see that God loves and accepts ALL children; even the ones who are not as fortunate as yourself to be given a chance to know HIM. or even be a “Catholic”. I think if you keep thinking like you do, you would not be a very good disciple of Christ.
You’d scare away any converts with your barbaric thinking, and dont say "it’s not my thinking, it’s the dogmas, or catholic church etc. have your own heart.

Mike
Mike, grow up, wake up!!! Be a man.You claim to be a Catholic, and then reject a dogmatic teaching of the Catholic Church.
Which by YOUR OWN ADMISSION, separates you from the Catholic Church. You are a heretic by your own words. Does the truth “scare” you away Mike?
 
Yeah lou you could say that a remote island, or whatever, but mostly its these third war countries, that wont allow that word, Look at places in Africa they are just learning about Jesus Christ and are truely accepting him. But they never knew about him before, look at the black priests we have now that explain to us how lucky we are to have the honor of learning about our Lord. There is a guy on this site who is forced to follow the quran and said if his own brothers knew he was leaning about Jesus they would kill him. Its a whole different world out there Louie, these people are so poor, and dont even have a phone or home alone a church, But thanks to the good Priests and missionaries who travel to these poor countries who are showing these people there is hope there is Christ. Yes God can do anything and is, but the word is not everywhere yet Lou.
 
Our Refuge, no, it is you, and all who remain in the VII church who are outside the Catholic Church.
Yes, finally, some angelic language from louey. Its sad to see such zeal for Christ wasted in heresy and pride. God have mercy on you.

God has placed obvious limitations on our human intelligence, but no such limits on our stupidity ~ Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Servant of God
 
Yes, finally, some angelic language from louey. Its sad to see such zeal for Christ wasted in heresy and pride. God have mercy on you.

God has placed obvious limitations on our human intelligence, but no such limits on our stupidity ~ Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Servant of God
CR, please show me where I have spoke heresy.
 
Perhaps you should ask God the same question Pilate asked. “What is truth?” I am sure if you ask with a sincere heart, he will bring you to the truth.
It appears that louey has been banned and rightfully so. The sedevacantist position is totally illogicial. We are blessed to have one of the great Popes in Benedict XVI. DIssenters like louey are not new to the Church. History is full of them. The 'gates of hell" that is, heretics, will not prevail.
 
It appears that louey has been banned and rightfully so. The sedevacantist position is totally illogicial. We are blessed to have one of the great Popes in Benedict XVI. DIssenters like louey are not new to the Church. History is full of them. The 'gates of hell" that is, heretics, will not prevail.
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