Whole Community Catechesis by Bill Huebsch

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This book is being adopted by my parish. It is published by Twenty third Publications and recommended by The National Catholic Reporter. I am disturbed by its content. Is it consistent with Catholic Teachings? Do I have any basis to challenge its use. Do you know where I could find more information about this book and the author?
 
Is anyone familiar with this program or its author Bill Huebsch?
 
A little bit. Our parish now uses this “Growing Faith Project” instead of weekly CCD. The intent is to incorporate the whole family into a formative environment. Not to sure on how well it is working…None of the kids who would have been in “CCD” have showed up yet. If you are using the booklets, read them very closely. They do contain some questionable things and even some errors. For example, in “Who is the Church” (booklet 19), the statement is made that Jesus named Peter to lead the apostles after his death, but not as sole leader". That is questionable depending on what the author intends to convey. However, in the “To Teach” section of that booklet, the author states “When the pope and bishops, speaking with one voice, especially in an ecumenical council such as Vatican II, proclaim a belief by an explicit act, and when what they proclaim is received with full faith and credibility by the faithful, what they teach is infallible”. I find that to be an error. Just because “I” don’t receive something as infallible does not mean that it is not infallible. So, just read these things very closely and point out the errors when you find them. I also emailed the author and he did agree that one thing I pointed out to him was an error, but that it was an editing error that will be corrected in the future. Good Luck
 
this is the latest fad in catechetics, and its aim is sound as far as it goes, but like everything else, it depends on how the program is organized, does it reach its intended audience, what materials and resources are used, the spirituality and sound doctrinal background of those doing the presentations and the same factors that make for a good or bad CCD program (or Catholic school religion class).

Every parish should be devoted to the concept of “whole community catechesis”. It used to be called the sermon, and elaborated in the devotions and celebrations of the liturgical year such as holy hours, 40 hours, Eucharistic processions, parish missions, saint day celebrations, fiestas, posadas etc.

Much of what used to be integral to parish life was jettisoned with the so-called reforms following (not necessarily prescribed by) Vatican2, by those who did not realize or appreciate their role in “whole community catechesis” – statues, stained glass windows, lighting vigil candles, processions etc.

We do it through excellent sermons, our pastor is a master preacher, and a teaching elaborating on the gospel theme in the bulletin, drawn from the catechism. If you read the bulletin every week you will be getting a comprehensive summary of the teachings in the CCC and on the gospels.

Through CCD we send home bilingual family pages on the readings each week for use in the home, and wonder of wonders, some families actually use them. We begin every CCD session, meeting etc. with a reading and brief sharing or reflection on the Sunday gospel.

Whole community catechesis can take several formats, the most popular draws and another “fad” (with sound basis in the RCIA) of lectionary-based catechesis. This founds not only the catechesis for RCIA but for the whole parish on the Sunday readings especially the gospel. It is sound as far as it goes, but experience is proving that especially in school-year scheduled programs, not all the doctrinal content is presented, because half the year’s readings are not formally taught. A sound RCIA, sacramental prep or CCD program must also present the doctrine in an organized fashion.

The other method of WCC is exemplified in Generations of Faith and similar programs. Over a period of 4-6 years the doctrine is presented, more or less according to the plan of the CCC, with formal lecture and reading, according to age level of each group, and crafts, skits, other activities planned to reinforce the concepts in the lesson with the whole group. If a family attended faithfully for 4-6 years the content of a standard CCD program would be presented, but not in the same order or method of a traditional program.

Some WCC sessions meet in homes, some in the parish. There is a lot of theory about both methods. Some break up into age groups, some keep the whole group together, again, a lot of debate about what is best.

We have found that parents and other adults prefer teaching, including parent meetings for sacramental prep, suitable to adult understanding, not “kiddie stuff”. We try to use any occassion to draw adults together for good adult ed presentations on the topics. Parents (inlcuding grandparents, sponsors, godparents etc.) who attend all the parent meetings offered through the years their child is in CCD will get a good catechesis on the fundamentals of the faith from the CCC.

the main trouble with WCC is that it does not coexist very well with a traditional CCD program. If one is successful the other one dies away. In WCC the families already committed participate, but the “drop off” children who have been coming to CCD are lost.
 
I am also trying to find more information about this author because our parish is using his material. Our DRE is using his book, A New Look at Grace, and it seems anti-Catholic, but in a subtle way. I will be speaking to our pastor about it.
 
This book is being adopted by my parish. It is published by Twenty third Publications and recommended by The National Catholic Reporter. I am disturbed by its content. Is it consistent with Catholic Teachings? Do I have any basis to challenge its use. Do you know where I could find more information about this book and the author?
Now the idea or concept of “Whole Community Catechesis” is worth looking into in my opinion. I however didn’t like a lot of things that I heard when Bill Huebsch was invited to speak here in this diocese.
 
Our faith formation commssion decided to drop the program at least as proposed by the Huebsch manual. It looks rather liberal. There is one section that says that homosexual couples are just another type of family. Plus, it is really irritating to read, isn’t it?

We as a commission like the idea of involving the whole parish in catechesis. We like a lectionary model, but from what we could see in the Huebsch model, it was all about feelings. There wasn’t much actual doctrine and very little scripture study. There were a lot of “how does this make you feel?”

I don’t agree with his statement that conversion precedes catechesis. Generally, I think it is different for everyone. Plus, conversion is the work of the Holy Spirit. IMO, suggesting everyone in the parish consider how a scripture passage makes you feel will not bring about conversions.

There is another program that I thought would be a good model. I’ll see if I can find it.

Here it is churchofsaintpaul.com/content/formation/html/ffhome.shtml
 
Hopefully this Huebesch model is the LAST of a failed experiment in feelings based catechesis.

There is an authentic catechetical renewal builing steam based on the pillar of catechetics, the catechism (CCC).
 
I’ve found a good rule of thumb - If the National Catholic Reporter likes it, Catholics should avoid it.
 
I’ve just realized this is a duplicate thread, just answered the other thread so I will pass.
 
This book is being adopted by my parish. It is published by Twenty third Publications and recommended by The National Catholic Reporter. I am disturbed by its content. Is it consistent with Catholic Teachings? Do I have any basis to challenge its use. Do you know where I could find more information about this book and the author?
I have read this book. It is Catholic in name only. My parish looked at it because it came with the strong recomendation of our Archbishop. My pastor could not get past the second chapter. He actually called us (Faith Formation Committee members) not to even finish reading it it was so bad! We threw it out. Now we are trying to build our own material culled form many sources, include Catholic Answers.

As a general rule, I take the recommendations of “National Catholic Reporter” (not to be confused with the “National Catholic Register”!) very seriously. If they recommend it, I will avoid or boycott it.

NCR is about at Catholic as some of the organizations they support, including Call for Action and Catholics for Choice. Both of these organizations have been excommunicated in at least one Diocese in the USA.

If your parish is adopting this book, review it then talk to your pastor about your concerns. God Bless you on this.
 
There is another program that I thought would be a good model. I’ll see if I can find it.

Here it is churchofsaintpaul.com/content/formation/html/ffhome.shtml
My parish just began using this program this past fall - it’s from the Church of St. Paul in Ham Lake, MN, Jeff Cavins’ home parish (his family also uses the program!). As a brand-new Director of Faith Formation, implementing this was the first challenge our pastor gave me when I started work last fall. (This was not just a decision by him, he was approached by a few families who wanted to try it and they worked with him before I got there to prepare for using it.)

I was a bit hesitant at first – not because of the content (it’s totally solid and meaty) but because I had always heard somewhat questionable things about most of the “popular” models of Whole Community Catechesis. Well, this model of Family Formation is not the same as those models, it really aims to SUPPORT the parents in catechizing their children - it does not take over for the parents, or leave everything up to the parents. It has worked astonishingly well in our parish, we are five months into it now. Parents and kids all love it, and while I am not able to really judge at this point how much is really being learned by the kids, I am hopeful that over this next summer I can get a feel for what weak spots there are in the catechesis.

However, at this point I do think I can strongly recommend that parishes and individual families who are looking for a good solid orthodox “community catechesis” faith formation program to look into this one!
 
this is the latest fad in catechetics, and its aim is sound as far as it goes, but like everything else, it depends on how the program is organized, does it reach its intended audience, what materials and resources are used, the spirituality and sound doctrinal background of those doing the presentations and the same factors that make for a good or bad CCD program (or Catholic school religion class).

Every parish should be devoted to the concept of “whole community catechesis”. It used to be called the sermon, and elaborated in the devotions and celebrations of the liturgical year such as holy hours, 40 hours, Eucharistic processions, parish missions, saint day celebrations, fiestas, posadas etc.

Much of what used to be integral to parish life was jettisoned with the so-called reforms following (not necessarily prescribed by) Vatican2, by those who did not realize or appreciate their role in “whole community catechesis” – statues, stained glass windows, lighting vigil candles, processions etc.

We do it through excellent sermons, our pastor is a master preacher, and a teaching elaborating on the gospel theme in the bulletin, drawn from the catechism. If you read the bulletin every week you will be getting a comprehensive summary of the teachings in the CCC and on the gospels.

Through CCD we send home bilingual family pages on the readings each week for use in the home, and wonder of wonders, some families actually use them. We begin every CCD session, meeting etc. with a reading and brief sharing or reflection on the Sunday gospel.

Whole community catechesis can take several formats, the most popular draws and another “fad” (with sound basis in the RCIA) of lectionary-based catechesis. This founds not only the catechesis for RCIA but for the whole parish on the Sunday readings especially the gospel. It is sound as far as it goes, but experience is proving that especially in school-year scheduled programs, not all the doctrinal content is presented, because half the year’s readings are not formally taught. A sound RCIA, sacramental prep or CCD program must also present the doctrine in an organized fashion.

The other method of WCC is exemplified in Generations of Faith and similar programs. Over a period of 4-6 years the doctrine is presented, more or less according to the plan of the CCC, with formal lecture and reading, according to age level of each group, and crafts, skits, other activities planned to reinforce the concepts in the lesson with the whole group. If a family attended faithfully for 4-6 years the content of a standard CCD program would be presented, but not in the same order or method of a traditional program.

Some WCC sessions meet in homes, some in the parish. There is a lot of theory about both methods. Some break up into age groups, some keep the whole group together, again, a lot of debate about what is best.

We have found that parents and other adults prefer teaching, including parent meetings for sacramental prep, suitable to adult understanding, not “kiddie stuff”. We try to use any occassion to draw adults together for good adult ed presentations on the topics. Parents (inlcuding grandparents, sponsors, godparents etc.) who attend all the parent meetings offered through the years their child is in CCD will get a good catechesis on the fundamentals of the faith from the CCC.

the main trouble with WCC is that it does not coexist very well with a traditional CCD program. If one is successful the other one dies away. In WCC the families already committed participate, but the “drop off” children who have been coming to CCD are lost.
Catechesis today is conceded to be a dismal failure . The doctrinal, ecclesial and moral illitercay of American Catholics today is widespread and of the norm. The councils “spirit” has jettisoned the “old” “stale” “rote” and “oppressive” method of the Baltimore and replaced it with lots and lots of meaningless words. NO ONE in the current “catechetical whos who community” would dare admit that “their” way is an outright and absolute failure that has lead millions away from the faith. I have done Generations of faith and it is HORRIBLE. Anything spat out by Bill Huebsch is better for the fireplace than it is for the desk. The BC was not perfect…but it was exponentially better than the blubber that is being spewed out today.
 
Catechesis today is conceded to be a dismal failure . The doctrinal, ecclesial and moral illitercay of American Catholics today is widespread and of the norm. .
that generalization is far too sweeping to be accurate.
evaluate the programs in your parish, those offered to your family, and make your judgement accordingly. If you don’t like what you see, and if you do not participate in improving the situation, you are part of the problem.

If all these people who are coming out of the woodwork to criticize the way RE and liturgy have been conducted in the last 40 years had been involved in their parish RE and liturgy obviously we would not have developed these problems.
 
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If all these people who are coming out of the woodwork to criticize the way RE and liturgy have been conducted in the last 40 years had been involved in their parish RE and liturgy obviously we would not have developed these problems.
I was involved and my mom was involved - two generations. However, the RE and liturgy that we were offered was less than orthodox/approaching dissident.

It wasn’t until I moved half way across the county and landed in one of the most orthodox dioceses in the country that I encountered something different. Even though I landed in the most “liberal” parish I didn’t know what I could do there - my liturgical dance experience was of no use 😉 .

It took me a few years and having “conversion experience” but I found a Catholicism had had never been exposed to. Bit by bit I shared things with my mom who would often give me the criticism she encountered when she shared my information. It took a few more years but she has seen the light (again 😉 ).

Neither my mom nor I would have been able to counter what we were being fed by our Bishop (who once wrote that women should be priests) and the feminist nuns/sisters and laypersons with heterodox leanings. We had no clue there was something else out there. Plus we were fed the line that we were one of the most “progessive” dioceses out there :rolleyes: . Had no idea we were stuck in 1973.

Were still getting the same old stuff from the Chancery but there are priests and small groups that have discovered/embraced orthodoxy and are spreading it around. Slowly. Thank goodness for technology and travel.

FWIW Bill Huebsch was the Spiritual Director on some TEC weekends way (waaaay) back in my diocese. I never met him but I think my mom did.
 
I am a DRE for a cluster of 4 parishes and I have to concur that the state of knowledge among most Catholics is pretty bad across the board. The problem with doing “whole community catechesis” is that many of the parents generation do not attend Mass and do not seem to care to learn about the Faith. My parish did Generations of Faith and it failed gradually and miserably… fewer and fewer attending. Many parents just drop their kids off at religious education as baby-sitting some time. I don’t mean to be cynical, but it is frustrating.
 
I was wondering if anyone has actually heard this man speak at their parish? He is scheduled to speak at our parish in the near future and is described as “being known across the U.S. for his work with thousands of Catholic parishes”. I am concerned as to whether or not he presents authentic Church teaching. Thanks.
 
I was wondering if anyone has actually heard this man speak at their parish? He is scheduled to speak at our parish in the near future and is described as “being known across the U.S. for his work with thousands of Catholic parishes”. I am concerned as to whether or not he presents authentic Church teaching. Thanks.
I just did a search on him, and you can read about him here. He appears to be in line with the Vatican, but I really haven’t gotten into depth about the gist of what he says.
 
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