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Texan77
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Whom founded the Orthodox Church?
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Nine_Two
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Jesus did. Even the Catholic Church acknowledges that.
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crazzeto
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Yeah, even though I would suggest the Magesterium stayed with the Catholic Church… This, unlike with the protestants, was an even split.
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Texan77
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If the Catholic Church acknowledges this can you please quote your source?
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Nine_Two
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Nothing says it explicitly, however the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches do acknowledge that prior to 1054 All were One.
catholic.com/library/Eastern_Orthodoxy.asp
It’s not a very good history, but it does have the pertenent facts on how the schism occured.
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Texan77
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I am sorry but I asked who founded the Orthodox Church
We Catholics believe that the Roman Catholic Church was founded on Peter - thus Peter and his successors are the shepherds of the entire church …
Yet after Pentecost we see the apostles sent to baptize all nations - in doing so they started there own local churches and left behind bishops to over see those local churches.
In asking whom founded the Orthodox Church are you suggesting that it existed on the day of Pentecost which is the birthday of the Church? Thus which apostle started the Orthodox Church?
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dzheremi
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Threads started in bad faith end that way, too. This one will be no different. If you already know the “answer” (which you derive from your own understanding of what a non-Orthodox church has to say about it), why did you ask?
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Nine_Two
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Yes.
And no, you don’t believe St. Peter founded the Roman Catholic Church, you believe that both he and St. Paul founded the See of Rome. St. Peter also founded the See of Antioch. St. Mark founded the See of Alexandria. St. James founded the See of Jerusalem. St. Andrew founded the See of Constantinople, and if I’m not mistaken the See of Iberia (Georgia).
So we have many apostolic founders. The apostolic founder of my particular Church is St. Andrew (traced through Moscow, Kyiv, and Constantinople). Because Constantinople has been the most important of our Sees, and the one which most new Autocephalus (independent, but in communion) Churches grew out of, almost all the churches claim St. Andrew as their founder. The exceptions being the above noted Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Antioch, and possibly some others I can’t think of right now.
But the Communion itself was founded at Pentecost by Christ. The founders of the sees of individual Churches is of less importance to us.
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Hiskid1973
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I always wondered why the prots split from the CC church and not the Orthodox.
Almost like the CC was reaping what was sowed… I don’t mean that to be nasty…Just something I wondered about…
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Hiskid1973
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And this verses agrees: Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.
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bpbasilphx
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“Whom founded…” is ungrammatical.
Since it’s the subject of the sentence, the nominative “who” should be used here.
OTOH, “The Orthodox Church was founded by whom?” shows the proper use of the objective form “whom”.
Since it’s the subject of the sentence, the nominative “who” should be used here.
OTOH, “The Orthodox Church was founded by whom?” shows the proper use of the objective form “whom”.
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Hiskid1973
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You remind of my sister who was a teacher…Guess not all of us had good grades in english…
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Harpazo
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St. Andrew went everywhere. I read a little bit about him from a Road to Emmaus issue. Most scholars believe he went as far north as Russia, as far west as Scotland, as far south as sub-Saharan Africa and far east as India. Quite the globetrotter that one!
In Christ,
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First, be careful using terms like “prots”. The moderators don’t seem to care for it.
The split in the western Church came because, well, Europe was part of the western Church, under the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome.
I think some Orthodox would agree with your second comment: innovation brings on further innovation.
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Hesychios
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You were given an answer.
Yes, of Course.
None individually did. All of the Apostles are at the foundations of the church you see today, that includes Saint Peter, BTW.
This is the work of God.
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Hesychios
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It is uncanny. The Protestant Reformation literally came to a halt at the edge of Orthodoxy.
Even in places where the population was mixed, like Romania, the reformation leaped over the Orthodox. In the sixteenth century there was a minority population of Catholic Hungarians within Romania, and it generally went over to the Protestant cause as a body, the kingdom of Hungary (which controlled the area) had to fight to get some of these people back into the fold.
The Orthodox around them were mostly unaffected by this sectarian struggle.
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Hiskid1973
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Thanks for those comments…The Orthodox still have there divisions but at least the sees stayed intact…Peace to you…
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Nine_Two
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I think it’s probably because the big issues that Luther originally raised were not issues in the Orthodox church, either due to a complete lack of belief in the doctrine (purgatory), or because the practice didn’t exist (indulgences). Later Protestant movements did penetrate to a limited degree, usually because they did actively disagree with Church teaching. The Greeks specifically held the Synod of Jerusalem to deal with the issue of Calvinism. But as you said, even then they were mostly unaffected.
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peary
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A group of schismatic bishops.
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Nine_Two
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Or the other way around. Whatever.
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