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[JonNC]

=PRmerger;11484665]This is the first misrepresentation I’ve ever seen regarding Catholicism from you, Jon. disappointed :sad_yes:

The CC does not advise a seeker come to the Table of Plenty because it “resonates” with him. She declares that all who join must be in communion with all of her teachings. That’s exactly why she states that even those seekers who have a belief in the Real Presence that “resonates” with them ought not receive until they are in, well, communion, with all her beliefs.

She asks that the seeker say, “Yes, I will believe and give my religious assent of the will!”

I beg forgiveness if I have misrepresented. I regularly receive materials from The Coming Home Network, and I really appreciate it, but their approach is to try to convince (nothing wrong with that). Perhaps they do not represent exactly Church teaching on the matter.

Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles, teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and, in a particular way, to the bishop of Rome, pastor of the whole Church, when, without arriving at an infallible definition and without pronouncing in a “definitive manner,” they propose in the exercise of the ordinary Magisterium a teaching that leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals. To this ordinary teaching the faithful “are to adhere to it with religious assent” which, though distinct from the assent of faith, is nonetheless an extension of itCCC892.

I don’t know if that’s what your church advises, but it’s certainly what the CC demands.

I appreciate your correction.

Jon

 

[JonNC]

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If a Lutheran reads the Scriptures and comes to a differing doctrine than what is professed by your confessions, what does this mean for this Lutheran?

Matching the anachronistic “Cafeteria Catholic”, one might say “Luncheonette Lutheran”.
Doctrine is doctrine. To be Lutheran, you accept Lutheran doctrine.

I understand what you are saying. But if you want to know what the CC teaches, you can simply go to our Catechism. To the degree that any Catholic has divorced herself from these teachings is the degree to which she is not in communion with the CC. So, one cannot point to disagreements among Catholics and say, “See! You guys don’t even agree about contraception!”

If one wants to know what Lutheranism teaches, one can read the Book of Concord. It is probably of similar length as the Catholic Catechism.

An individuals’ refusal to accept the magisterium’s teachings does not challenge the Christ-given authority of the magisterium.

I can say that the Lord’s Supper is symbolic of the body and blood, but that doesn’t make it so, or Lutheran.

Jon