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ClemtheCatholic
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Is it just God? Mary as well? The angels?
As you can see, I need some assistance here!!
In Christ,
ClemtheCatholic
As you can see, I need some assistance here!!
In Christ,
ClemtheCatholic
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Aelred_Minor
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Only God has infinite perfection. But there are finite creatures which in their own finite ways are perfect in the sense of not being deprived of any due good. Mary and the good angels would be examples of these. I suppose the other saints in heaven would be as well in their current state, though unlike Mary and the angles they would not have a perfect, sinless past.
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KLJM12
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Letās see hereā¦God is obviously perfect (and so all 3 Members of the Blessed Trinity are perfect). Mary was born without original sin and never sinned in her life whilst remaining a virgin. She is a Perfect Woman. Angels that serve the Lord (like St. Michael, St. Raphael, and St. Gabriel) are also perfect. Dark angels are not perfect though, per their own choice.Is it just God? Mary as well? The angels?
As you can see, I need some assistance here!!
In Christ,
ClemtheCatholic
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ConstantineTG
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To state this more plainly, only God is perfect. Anyone who has achieve any type of perfection only did so by the grace of God. The Theotokos, the angels, the Saints, they are not perfect by and of themselves. God perfected them.
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sophion
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perfection is merely a point of view. even your ideas of Saints can only be perfect on some aspects. but not all.
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bilop
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Perfect? Just God.
Mary was sinless, but not perfect. Iām sure she made mistakes.
God Bless
Mary was sinless, but not perfect. Iām sure she made mistakes.
God Bless
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Aelred_Minor
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This brings out another sense in which a person may be perfect or imperfect, namely whether they have ultimately fulfilled the purpose or āendā of their existence, their telos. As far as being free of all evil Mary was always perfect, though obviously this kind of perfection was itself also from God. You are right however to point out that in a wider sense she was also brought to a greater kind of perfection through further graces, with her role in the Incarnation the centerpiece, and ultimately culminating in her personal history with her assumption into heaven and the Beatific Vision.
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Swiss_Guy
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God is perfect. Mary was perfect in the sense that she never sinned and was free from Original Sin, but that was only because of Godās grace.
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ccmnxc
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God: Perfect in every sense of the word
Mary: Sinless, though human and therefore, imperfect
Angels: Lucifer was a fallen angel, so we know that they are not only imperfect, but can also sin.
Mary: Sinless, though human and therefore, imperfect
Angels: Lucifer was a fallen angel, so we know that they are not only imperfect, but can also sin.
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MaeganFlinchum1
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this one has it!
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fhansen
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The Catechism might help here:Is it just God? Mary as well? The angels?
As you can see, I need some assistance here!!
In Christ,
ClemtheCatholic
**302 Creation has its own goodness and proper perfection, but it did not spring forth complete from the hands of the Creator. The universe was created āin a state of journeyingā (in statu viae) toward an ultimate perfection yet to be attained, to which God has destined it. We call ādivine providenceā the dispositions by which God guides his creation toward this perfection:
By his providence God protects and governs all things which he has made, āreaching mightily from one end of the earth to the other, and ordering all things wellā. For āall are open and laid bare to his eyesā, even those things which are yet to come into existence through the free action of creatures.
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ClemtheCatholic
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Thanks everybody!!
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Haerticle
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I sure am not perfectā¦ But I will be, along with everyone else who does right in this life, and all the imperfections, all the sins that you and I have committed, will be transformed to endless honorā¦
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Jennifoo
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Yes looking things up in the Catechism is the way to go when one has a question about the Faith, seeiing as how it is 100 percent true, is free from error and contains all the teachings of Holy Mother Church. Brilliant!
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ClemtheCatholic
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If this was the case in all circumstances, much of this forum would be pointless.Yes looking things up in the Catechism is the way to go when one has a question about the Faith, seeiing as how it is 100 percent true, is free from error and contains all the teachings of Holy Mother Church. Brilliant!
Understandably and for good reason the CCC does not cover every single topic on the Faith and for many of them it does not go into much depthā¦
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jkiernan56
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So the Catechism must be perfect? lol
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fhansen
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Um, youād suggest not looking up a question on the faith in the Catechism? Some other reference or source, perhaps?Yes looking things up in the Catechism is the way to go when one has a question about the Faith, seeiing as how it is 100 percent true, is free from error and contains all the teachings of Holy Mother Church. Brilliant!
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Robert_Sock
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The CCC is not infallible and it does not contain all the teachings of the Church.Yes looking things up in the Catechism is the way to go when one has a question about the Faith, seeiing as how it is 100 percent true, is free from error and contains all the teachings of Holy Mother Church. Brilliant!
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Jennifoo
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The CCC contains everything that one must believe as a faithful Catholic. It is thorough. It is 100 percent true. It is free from error. Every Catholic should own one and should refer to it when any questions or doubts arise. As a convert I am constantly amazed at how many Catholics donāt fully appreciate or utilise this invaluable resource. My conversion to Catholicism involved many experiences, but the single most important one was reading a book called Life in Christ, a simplified version of the CCC. And yes, the CCC is authoritative.
Please take note of what I am NOT saying. I stated above that the CCC is thorough. I did NOT say that it is exhaustive. Therefore one may need to enrich their faith with other good Catholic writings. I stated that it contains all the teachings of the Church, but I did NOT say that it renders faith-based discussions as pointless or unnecessary.
Every one of us is responsible for learning the Faith. If we deliberately refuse or disregard the CCC, we canāt really say that we know the Faith or love it
PAX CHRISTI
Please take note of what I am NOT saying. I stated above that the CCC is thorough. I did NOT say that it is exhaustive. Therefore one may need to enrich their faith with other good Catholic writings. I stated that it contains all the teachings of the Church, but I did NOT say that it renders faith-based discussions as pointless or unnecessary.
Every one of us is responsible for learning the Faith. If we deliberately refuse or disregard the CCC, we canāt really say that we know the Faith or love it
PAX CHRISTI
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ClemtheCatholic
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Sure, weāre sorted then.
I was the one who started this thread and I have just finished reading the entire Catechism. I have also read the YouCat and the Compendium. There are two copies of the Catechism in my house. So I donāt think anybody (particularly the person who started this thread: myself) is disregarding the Catechism. At the same time, whilst Iāve loved all the stuff Iāve done around the Catechism thereās no harm in asking for extra info! Well, I think this thread is pretty much wrapped up thanks to all the answers given on page 1ā¦ - Status