Uhhhh, isn’t that what we do? I mean, we use Ireneaus’ quotes when he supports Catholic Doctrine, but then we ignore his anti-jewish rants.What I also find interesting is the ganking of Church Fathers as seen here. Martin, if you are going to use the Church Fathers as an authority, you need to do so consistently, and not just when you think it will support your argument.
I’m not so sure that is what we do…Uhhhh, isn’t that what we do? I mean, we use Ireneaus’ quotes when he supports Catholic Doctrine, but then we ignore his anti-jewish rants.
Note - At least, I think it was Ireneaus who was anti-jew. If it’s someone else, go with the point, not the accuracy, please.
And how exactly do you suppose that this supports a pre-mil, pre-trib rapture?The Epistle of Barnabas
“The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation thus: ‘And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it.’ Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, ‘He finished in six days.’ This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, ‘Behold, to-day will be as a thousand years.’ Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. ‘And He rested on the seventh day.’ This meaneth: when His Son, coming again, shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.” - The Epistle of Barnabas (15)
A man who was busted by the early church as a heretic? Moreover this is considered a spurious source by most scholars.BUNK!
Epharaim the Syrian said, in 373 AD, “For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.”
Not nearly to this extent or in the same way. We believe that the Church Fathers are authoritative in that they were witnesses to the orthodox Christian faith of their times. You won’t find Catholics explaining away half of the teachings of the ECF’s, because of this. However, when non-Catholics use the ECF’s they are willing to take one or two out of context from their own writings and the writings of the other Father’s in order to support something that these Father’s clearly wouldn’t have supported. This tactic is different.Uhhhh, isn’t that what we do? I mean, we use Ireneaus’ quotes when he supports Catholic Doctrine, but then we ignore his anti-jewish rants.
Note - At least, I think it was Ireneaus who was anti-jew. If it’s someone else, go with the point, not the accuracy, please.
Are you referring to John Nelson Darby?No problem, but what about the passage I quoted concerning the Scottish gentleman from the 1830’s?
Was this just a new variation of the older doctrine?