Whose money is it anyways?

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magnet said:
Perfection implies 100% cause and effect. Since the universe is composed of countless random phenomena (e.g. dust motes floating in the air), is this randomness part of perfection?

Biology has established the random nature of gene exchange between mother and father during conception. Since the outcome cannot be predicted, is this non-predictability part of perfection?
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Apparently my point went over your head, so I’ll try again. Perfection is not found in the random occurrences in the physical universe. Perfection is a goal in the mind of God toward which we should be striving.
 
DaveBj said:
Apparently my point went over your head, so I’ll try again. Perfection is not found in the random occurrences in the physical universe. Perfection is a goal in the mind of God toward which we should be striving.
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If the goal is perfection, how do we know when we are approaching it?

Was Jesus perfect? If he was God, then he must have been perfect.

In my view, mathematics dwells on perfection. Universal cause and effect is taken into account.
 
If this is God’s money, he’s broke!

I’m in a job that doesn’t give raises. That’s the “best” I can do. The only other scenario is unemployment.

I’m hungry, and need to be clothed.

So is my son. So is my wife.
 
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DaveBj:
^^^This. The obligation to feed the hungry, house the homeless, and clothe the naked is a PERSONAL obligation. Voting for politicians who favor confiscating money from those who have earned it, filtering it thru a bloated bureaucracy, and then distributing the remainder to people who may or may not actually be in need shouldn’t even be entering into the discussion.
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If you did away with welfare programs, that “confiscate money from people that earned it”, my family wouldn’t eat.

I’m not going to say “Catholics need to vote for welfare programs” but sometimes, seeing some more “conservative” leaning Catholics talk down on them makes me wonder how many of them know people who are simply living, making ends meet. It’s easy to say that these programs are bad when you’re in a safe place… But when you’re not, its a lot harder to say the same, since you know that there’s good people struggling.

I am on food stamps, that pay for my family’s food. We supplement this with social security and going to our local Catholic run food bank. And when you go there, and you talk to people, there are folks worse off than us. Voting for politicians who want to do away with “bloated bureaucracy” isn’t going to help, at least in the short term.
 
xNoOnex said:
If you did away with welfare programs, that “confiscate money from people that earned it”, my family wouldn’t eat.

I’m not going to say “Catholics need to vote for welfare programs” but sometimes, seeing some more “conservative” leaning Catholics talk down on them makes me wonder how many of them know people who are simply living, making ends meet. It’s easy to say that these programs are bad when you’re in a safe place… But when you’re not, its a lot harder to say the same, since you know that there’s good people struggling.

I am on food stamps, that pay for my family’s food. We supplement this with social security and going to our local Catholic run food bank. And when you go there, and you talk to people, there are folks worse off than us. Voting for politicians who want to do away with “bloated bureaucracy” isn’t going to help, at least in the short term.
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What are you doing to improve your needy condition? Have you made any effort to limit your family’s size? Have you used any resources to increase your family income? Have you eliminated unnecessary expenses such as cell phones, cable TV, credit card interest, bottled water or soft drinks, fruit juice, alcoholic beverages? How about buying lottery tickets?

When I was a child, we had no phone, no TV, one old car. We lived from hand to mouth. We almost never went to the doctor. We all had colds, flu, childhood diseases such as chicken pox, and mumps, but recovered at home. In summer, we inspected the culls from fruit packing houses and took the unsaleable items.
 
magnet said:
What are you doing to improve your needy condition? Have you made any effort to limit your family’s size? Have you used any resources to increase your family income? Have you eliminated unnecessary expenses such as cell phones, cable TV, credit card interest, bottled water or soft drinks, fruit juice, alcoholic beverages? How about buying lottery tickets?

When I was a child, we had no phone, no TV, one old car. We lived from hand to mouth. We almost never went to the doctor. We all had colds, flu, childhood diseases such as chicken pox, and mumps, but recovered at home. In summer, we inspected the culls from fruit packing houses and took the unsaleable items.
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You’re commanded by God to help those in need, whether you like it or not. Capitalism or socialism, it makes no difference to me, as long as people have the basic necessities. Let people work, but pay them a fair and just living wage.
 
Robert_Sock said:
You’re commanded by God to help those in need, whether you like it or not. Capitalism or socialism, it makes no difference to me, as long as people have the basic necessities. Let people work, but pay them a fair and just living wage.
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Is it OK to purposely increase one’s need by irresponsible acts? If I am obese and develop diabetes, should I ask for financial assistance, or should I make an effort on my own to improve my health? Is it OK for me to purposely engage in unsafe sex, contract an STD, and then ask for somebody to pay for my medical bills?
 
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