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The Muslim that I am, does not have to reinterpret the Christian scriptures, and my Islam is not a competitor among the religions, but it makes believe that practically all the old religions stripped of their excess direct any thoughtful person towards the belief into a Unique God and creator of the Universe and I can imagine all the people living life in peace.

So in the end this questions me that we humans should clean up our hearts and our lives instead of living constantly under the oppression of a spirit of fear since our thought system causes us to throw the anathema and to have a complacent look on the one who does not think exactly in all points like us.
I admit to having broad respect for the religious convictions of others, my belief is to insist that humility and the limits of human wisdom should and should temper our own beliefs in matters of faith, so I don have no hatred for anyone, as for Jews and Christians, I respect their own existential decision to believe something else.

I believe that debating with mutual respect undoubtedly allows us to discover the faith of the other to strengthen his faith at a time when human interpretations have become divine words materialized. If we are only interested in the analysis of the explanations, whereas the explanation is not a proof while avoiding the sterile controversy just as much, to keep an optimism and an objective of the dialogue so that it is led to a logical and rational conclusion.

I am only reporting what seems to me to be the truth and above all I believe that any intelligent and documented approach to a belief is obviously very welcome. Once again thank you for accepting me among you!!!
I will end this overview by recalling two requirements of dialogue, respect and friendship.

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Welcome! I’m glad you feel accepted here.

I see you joined very recently. Is there anything you wanted to discuss on this thread? Or is this an introduction post?

We have a very knowledgeable resident Muslim here (@Niblo) and sometimes have Muslim visitors. I look forward to seeing you around.

I agree that respectful and friendly dialogue is essential. Kindness, love of neighbor, and mutual respect in spite of disagreement are universal virtues.

May God bless and keep you.
 
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God bless you! I admire Islam greatly and look forward to benefiting from your knowledge!
 
@Wahrani

As-Salāmu ‘alaykum, brother.

A very warm welcome to the Forum. And yes, respectful and friendly dialogue are most certainly essential.

May Allāh (subḥānahu ūta’āla) reward you for any good that you do.
 
As others have said, welcome to CAF - and may the peace of God be with you always.
 
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I fully share the pleasure of conversing and debating with you, and above all I remain assigned to your pleasure to welcome you to your site. Of course, I agree with you.

So thank you for this friendship.

Let’s introduce myself, I’m an Algerian French-language Author (Writer), I’m writing books and articles on the alternative press and to share with you, I have to translate using Google Translate.

What is certain for me is not to prosecute other revelations before Islam, Islam therefore clearly recognizes the diversity of religions and grants each individual the right to choose the path that seems to him the better, the respect he advocates is in the nature of things, he recognizes the divine origin of all the sacred books of Judaism and Christianity.

I believe that no one on this Earth can judge a situation properly without making errors of judgment or interpretation. As such I largely respect other religious convictions. Although we are of different faiths, it seems to me rightly so, that we worship a God in the same way under different names.

I am in my current life only a simple Muslim on the path of his Islam, a dogma which I inherited from my parents which in turn inherited it from their parent and so on. This is my heritage and of course I keep some pride in this. Although we are on a different side, it seems to me rightly so, that we worship a Single God in the same way under different names

I believe that each religion is wonderful for its adherents this is completely normal for human nature, only what I strongly regret is the NEGATION. That is to say to refuse to the other his vision and his religious convictions for whatever reasons to be evoked.

To illustrate this negation It is from Jesus that I am going to borrow an example of wisdom by saying: " If someone strikes you on the right cheek, also stretch out his left cheek ."

In short, I thank you once again for your friendship and kindness and I remain open to all your questions about Islam.
Wahrani
 
Wahrani said:
does not have to reinterpret the Christian scriptures, and my Islam is not a competitor among the religions,
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That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but when two faiths are directly opposed in their belief systems (Ex. Jesus is God - Christianity, Jesus is not God - Islam) then you are going to run into problems. There is simply no way to reconcile these two beliefs. Thus:
Wahrani said:
practically all the old religions stripped of their excess direct any thoughtful person towards the belief into a Unique God and creator of the Universe and I can imagine all the people living life in peace.
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cannot be true.

It’s just the way it is.
 
We can at least agree on certain points in common, chiefly that there is a god, and that principles exist and the truth is not a matter of opinion.

After that point Im afraid we diverge.
 
The Christian understanding of Messiah and Jesus is God, differs greatly from the Jewish biblical vision. One of the basic premises on which Christianity is based is that Jesus was the Messiah predicted in the Jewish Bible.

It is because Jesus was, as we know, a Jew respectful of the commandments and that on the day of Passover, he went naturally to the Temple to sacrifice a lamb on the altar of the Temple, as biblically prescribed

“You shall sacrifice the Passover offering … where the Lord … will dwell his name [Temple of Jerusalem]” (Deuteronomy 16: 2)

In fact, Jesus remained a faithful Jew, whose only ambition was to reform the faith of Israel, in order to bring about a new impetus. “Do not believe that I came to repeal the Law or the Prophets, can we read in the Gospel according to Matthew.

In this way Christians claim to be right, which makes the evidence consistent with their missing conclusions.

Long before Muslims, Judaism and the Jews had always rejected this belief.

My Islam finds this diversity only natural. All these competitions and all these fights are only logical which result from the behavior of the natural understanding of the writings.

It is in this sense that Islam claims to Christians to provide proof!
 
We believers are happy because these things (principles), we can share and understand. The spiritual experiences of each other often come together.

I can say that if knowledge can be acquired by enrolling in universities, no university can give a degree in wisdom. Without forgetting to specify that Philosophy, in Greek, means besides to love wisdom.

This quest for wisdom and spiritual health through constant research and prevention against various lies is the permanent message that God has given to all of His messengers. And each time that stupidity becomes wisdom, that the quest for wisdom becomes an endless pile of weaknesses.
 
Then how come Jesus never denies that he is the messiah or God?..in fact He implies and affirms it in the Bible. He even warns of false prophets and Jesus’ followers warn of people preaching a gospel contrary to the Catholic faith.

If your going to tell me that Jesus didn’t mean what he said then you are essentially calling him a liar. If what Jesus said is true then Islam is a false religion. If what Jesus said is false then why does Islam say things contrary to his teachings but also tries to incorporate him into their religion? Not to mention this is 600 years after the fact. I’m sorry but Islam as a religion has never been convincing to me…and that’s not even bringing in the radical teachings into play that directly contradict what Jesus says.
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It is because Jesus was, as we know, a Jew respectful of the commandments and that on the day of Passover, he went naturally to the Temple to sacrifice a lamb on the altar of the Temple, as biblically prescribed
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where are you getting this? so are you saying Jesus never died on the cross? I don’t seem to remember this from the gospels. He had a last supper, but there was no lamb because he was the lamb…
 
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…in fact He implies and affirms it in the Bible.
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Muslims reject Bible. Appeal to Bible as authority does not hold much water in this discussion (even though I fully agree with you).
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Long before Muslims, Judaism and the Jews had always rejected this belief.
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Of course. No Christian denies that. Jews were mistaken in how they perceived Messiah. They rejected Jesus as Messiah because they believed Messiah would come and reform Kingdom of Israel and Jews would have great earthly lives. They were mistaken in that- according to both Christians and Jews.

If you take Jews as authority, they reject Islam too…
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My Islam finds this diversity only natural. All these competitions and all these fights are only logical which result from the behavior of the natural understanding of the writings.
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Same with Catholicism 🙂

Main point why I reject Islam is because I reject Muhammad as Prophet, based on what Christian Church believed was Bible centuries before and warned us against another Angel preaching different Gospel. I don’t think it is historically consistent that Messiah would rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem with Islam and I think many other Prophecies from Old Testament do not apply. Of course that is my personal view.

Welcome to forums. Catholics aren’t Muslims and hence we do reject Islam, but that does not mean there can not be good discussion or friendly relations. Muslim insight is welcome, and mainly (but not only) on topics concerning Islam. Niblo has been a blessing to have on forums, and I hope you will also be one 🙂 and also that these forums will be a blessing for you. Enjoy your stay!
 
How can they reject the new testament if the gospels describe Jesus?
 
ColoradoCatholic said:
How can they reject the new testament if the gospels describe Jesus?
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I am not sure. What I know is that Muslims deny Crucifixion and hence they have to reject Gospels because they describe that event. In other words while they do not reject our Lord Jesus as Messiah, they reject Gospels that describe Him and they reject Him as God. Perhaps they would clarify better.
 
That like rejecting a historical fact…maybe its lost on me.

There are non religious Roman documents that talk about a man named Jesus being crucified…that started an uproar or something like that.
 
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