Why a Resurrection anyway?

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If the righteous go to Heaven when they die, even after a stint in purgatory, what need have they of being resurrected with their bodies? It seems complicated and quite unnecessary. Wouldn’t it be sufficient (to say the least) for our souls to be in Heaven with God, and let that be the end of it?
I’ve struggled with this whole “bodily resurrection” idea. After all, the angels are spirits, and they do all right. Remaining as a pure soul (spirit) must allow us to be closer to God the Father (who, after all, has never had a body) and to the Holy Spirit, who is, well…a spirit by definition.
Is there anything in scripture or the CC that goes into the need for resurrection?
 
If the righteous go to Heaven when they die, even after a stint in purgatory, what need have they of being resurrected with their bodies?
You’re assuming that Heaven is a purely ‘spiritual’ place.
It seems complicated and quite unnecessary. Wouldn’t it be sufficient (to say the least) for our souls to be in Heaven with God, and let that be the end of it?
Is Jesus in Heaven?
I’ve struggled with this whole “bodily resurrection” idea. After all, the angels are spirits, and they do all right. Remaining as a pure soul (spirit) must allow us to be closer to God the Father (who, after all, has never had a body) and to the Holy Spirit, who is, well…a spirit by definition.
What about Jesus?
Is there anything in scripture or the CC that goes into the need for resurrection?
A Church Father (St. Gregory of Nazianzus) once said, What is not assumed, cannot be saved. This means that if the flesh is not assumed by God, then flesh (or humanity) cannot be saved. And if God assumes flesh as human, then God must also die (because death is the result of original sin). And since God is God, such God must also resurrect the flesh.

The resurrection is a sign of the ultimate destiny of humanity – oneness with God, or theosis. God became man so that man might become Divine. In the Catholic Church, this process of becoming Divine is called Divinization.
 
purgatory is to burn the sin out of those that are not really wicked but not ready for heaven. Its only temporary.

There is also a place for babies but I don’t think they are burnt there, they just have to stay there a while before they are taken to heaven.

Everyone goes to heaven or hell but then they are bought back to earth (I think they are given human bodies to come back but I’m not clear on that). When they are back on earth they are judged and sent back to where they came from (hell for the wicked and heaven for the good).

The good come back down and live on the earth for 1000 years and then are taken back up again to live with the Lord.

Then god burns up the earth.
 
purgatory is to burn the sin out of those that are not really wicked but not ready for heaven. Its only temporary.

There is also a place for babies but I don’t think they are burnt there, they just have to stay there a while before they are taken to heaven.

Everyone goes to heaven or hell but then they are bought back to earth (I think they are given human bodies to come back but I’m not clear on that). When they are back on earth they are judged and sent back to where they came from (hell for the wicked and heaven for the good).

The good come back down and live on the earth for 1000 years and then are taken back up again to live with the Lord.

Then god burns up the earth.
Madness.:rolleyes:
 
If the righteous go to Heaven when they die, even after a stint in purgatory, what need have they of being resurrected with their bodies? It seems complicated and quite unnecessary. Wouldn’t it be sufficient (to say the least) for our souls to be in Heaven with God, and let that be the end of it?
I’ve struggled with this whole “bodily resurrection” idea. After all, the angels are spirits, and they do all right. Remaining as a pure soul (spirit) must allow us to be closer to God the Father (who, after all, has never had a body) and to the Holy Spirit, who is, well…a spirit by definition.
Is there anything in scripture or the CC that goes into the need for resurrection?
The angels have always been beings of pure spirit, but human beings are not.

We are not flesh that has been ensouled. Nor are we souls wrapped in meat. Human beings are Body&Soul – It is absolutely appropriate for there to be a bodily resurrection. Why should our souls continue to experience the pain of separation from our bodies?

tee
 
The substance of man, as taught by St. Thomas Aquinas, includes both body and soul. Thus, the human being is incomplete in Heaven before the Final Resurrection.

“Abraham’s soul, properly speaking, is not Abraham himself, but a part of him (and the same as regards the others). Hence life in Abraham’s soul does not suffice to make Abraham a living being, or to make the God of Abraham the God of a living man. But there needs to be life in the whole composite, i.e. the soul and body: and although this life were not actually when these words were uttered, it was in each part as ordained to the resurrection. Wherefore our Lord proves the resurrection with the greatest subtlety and efficacy.”

, supp., Q. 75, art. 1.Summa Theologica
 
Hi Hans,

The soul is not made to exist by itself. It is but one part of a human being. In philosophical term, the soul is the form of the body, what gives unity and personality. The resurrection is the restitution of a complete human being that has struggled and is now receiving its reward.

Verbum
 
The angels have always been beings of pure spirit, but human beings are not.

We are not flesh that has been ensouled. Nor are we souls wrapped in meat. Human beings are Body&Soul – It is absolutely appropriate for there to be a bodily resurrection. Why should our souls continue to experience the pain of separation from our bodies?

tee
I’m confused… are you saying heaven is painful?
 
If the righteous go to Heaven when they die, even after a stint in purgatory, what need have they of being resurrected with their bodies? It seems complicated and quite unnecessary. Wouldn’t it be sufficient (to say the least) for our souls to be in Heaven with God, and let that be the end of it?
I’ve struggled with this whole “bodily resurrection” idea. After all, the angels are spirits, and they do all right. Remaining as a pure soul (spirit) must allow us to be closer to God the Father (who, after all, has never had a body) and to the Holy Spirit, who is, well…a spirit by definition.
Is there anything in scripture or the CC that goes into the need for resurrection?
Your view of the soul is similar to a concept known as Platonic dualism, after Plato’s view of the soul.

In Platonic dualism, the soul is the real person, defines the person, and the body is simply a container.

That is not the Catholic view. we are a union of body and soul. It is that union that defines a human person, not the soul by itself.

So the body without the soul, or the soul without the body, is incomplete. There is a lack. The saints in Heaven experience the joy of being in heaven ( a spirtual effect), but not the pleasure of being on Heaven ( the bodily effect). God desires us to experience both, God desires us to be fully complete. So He give us the Resurrection of the Body.
 
=hansard;If the righteous go to Heaven when they die, even after a stint in purgatory, what need have they of being resurrected with their bodies? It seems complicated and quite unnecessary. Wouldn’t it be sufficient (to say the least) for our souls to be in Heaven with God, and let that be the end of it?
Is there anything in scripture or the CC that goes into the need for resurrection?
The Resurrection of our Bodies was taught by Christ and is a Dogma of the CC.

652 Christ’s Resurrection is the fulfillment of the promises both of the Old Testament and of Jesus himself during his earthly life. The phrase “in accordance with the Scriptures” indicates that Christ’s Resurrection fulfilled these predictions.

1016 By death the soul is separated from the body, but in the resurrection God will give incorruptible life to our body, transformed by reunion with our soul. Just as Christ is risen and lives for ever, so all of us will rise at the last day.

1017 “We believe in the true resurrection of this flesh that we now possess” (Council of Lyons II: DS 854). We sow a corruptible body in the tomb, but he raises up an incorruptible body, a “spiritual body” (cf. 1 Cor 15:42-44).

**998 **Who will rise? All the dead will rise, “those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.”

The basic reason for the resurrection of our bodies is explained in this brief passage: 1Cor.6: 19 “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own;”

God created us in part because He desired to look upon the Masterpiece’s of His creation. Humanity. Gen. 1:26-27 “Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.”

That which is “the image [although a pale one] is not to be “trashed.” From the beginning it was God’s plan to reunite the “entire human creatures” He Created.

**From the Catholic Encyclopedia **

“Dogma of the resurrection

The creeds and professions of faith and conciliar definitions do not leave it doubtful that the resurrection of the body is a dogma or an article of faith. We may appeal, for instance, to the Apostles’ Creed, the so-called Nicene and Athanasian Creeds, the Creed of the Eleventh Council of Toledo, the Creed of Leo IX, subscribed by Bishop Peter and still in use at the consecration of bishops the profession of faith subscribed by Michael Palaeologus in the Second Council of Lyons, the Creed of Pius IV, and the Decree of the Fourth Lateran Council (c. “Firmiter”) against the Albigenses. This article of faith is based on the belief of the Old Testament, on the teaching of the New Testament, and on Christian tradition.

Old Testament
The words of Martha and the history of the Machabees show the Jewish belief towards the end of the Jewish economy. “I know”, says Martha, “that He shall rise again, in the resurrection at the last day” (**John 11:24). **And the third of the Machabee martyrs put forth his tongue and stretched out his hands, saying: “These I have from heaven, but for the laws of God I now despise them: because I hope to receive them again from him” (2 Maccabees 12:11; cf. 9:14). The Book of **Daniel (12:2; cf. 12) **inculcates the same belief: “Many of those that sleep in the dust of the earth, shall awake: some unto life everlasting, and others unto reproach, to see it always.” The word many must be understood in the light of its meaning in other passages, e.g. **Isaiah 53:11-12; Matthew **26:28; Romans 5:18-19. Though Ezechiel’s vision of the resurrection of the dry bones refers directly to the restoration of Israel, such a figure would be hardly Israel, such a figure would be hardly intelligible except by readers familiar with the belief in a literal resurrection (Ezekiel 37). The Prophet Isaias foretells that the Lord of hosts “shall cast down death headlong forever”

New Testament
The resurrection of the dead was expressly taught by Christ (John 5:28-29; 6:39-40; 11:25; Luke 14:14) and defended against the unbelief of the Sadducees, whom He charged with ignorance of the power of God and of the Scriptures** (Matthew 22:29; Luke 20:37). **St. Paul places the general resurrection on the same level of certainty with that of Christ’s Resurrection: “If Christ be preached, that he rose again from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen again. And if Christ be not risen again, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain” (1 Corinthians 15:12 sqq.). “ END
 
If the righteous go to Heaven when they die, even after a stint in purgatory, what need have they of being resurrected with their bodies? It seems complicated and quite unnecessary. Wouldn’t it be sufficient (to say the least) for our souls to be in Heaven with God, and let that be the end of it?
I’ve struggled with this whole “bodily resurrection” idea. After all, the angels are spirits, and they do all right. Remaining as a pure soul (spirit) must allow us to be closer to God the Father (who, after all, has never had a body) and to the Holy Spirit, who is, well…a spirit by definition.
Is there anything in scripture or the CC that goes into the need for resurrection?
Jesus had a body
 
Someone mentioned above that all this including resurrection is God’s plan. So it is.

That’s a good question about the necessity of resurrection. Whatever may be a better explanation, certainly we understand God as a creator, creating mankind, as it is depicted, out of the earth.

So, God has that power to give life to us not only once, but again, in the resurrection. I see the resurrection as a confirmation of God as Creator, which is His nature.It embodies God’s power to overcome death.
 
Thanks for those replies, everyone. Plenty to think about there.
 
Hi Hans,

The soul is not made to exist by itself. It is but one part of a human being. In philosophical term, the soul is the form of the body, what gives unity and personality. The resurrection is the restitution of a complete human being that has struggled and is now receiving its reward.

Verbum
Exactly, its so clear and easy to understand a child could grasp it. Put in simple terms the ressurection is indeed the restition of a complete human being that has strugged and is now recieving its reward

Thus it is clear when and why there is a ressurection; what it is and how it fits in to god’s will. Everything is answered by this simple clear explanation.

Thanks you I couldn’t have put it better myself.

Blessings,
Cashue
 
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