Why abortion?

[lillysan]

shannin:

We must fight against any abuse towards the most helpless and vulnerable ones of society. That includes the unborn babies and the elderly.

Amen to this…this is the specific reason!!

 

[puzzleannie]

Jabronie:

is also a mortal sin?

For the record, I do think Roe v. Wade is bad law and should be overturned, but that’s more of a constitutional issue to me.

the constitutional issue is that all the rights protected under the US Constitution are based on the fundamental right to life. If the right to life is not protected for all, especially for the weak, powerless and voiceless, there is no right to life for anyone. In effect, our constitution was suspended in 1973 when the Supreme Court professed to find written in the clouds a mysterious “right to privacy” and used it as an excuse to cave in to feminist and liberal political pressure, and take away from the states the right to legislate protections for their citizens.

The Supreme court erred in Roe v Wade and its companion Doe case. the SC erred in Plessey vs Ferguson (segregation). The SC erred in Dred Scott (denying citizenship to negroes). The SC has been wrong before and reversed itself. We need them to bite the bullet and reverse these two decisions which are not founded on any valid constitutional principle.

One does not need religion, the Church or the Bible to argue this fundamental constitutional principle and the inherent contradiction in our current system.

 

[Zooey]

Abortion is murder.
When we set ourselves up in a place where, as a society, we condone the willful murder of another human being, we have moved to a whole different level of evil. We have begun,as the Nazis did, by killing one group of people–the unborn…In the process, we have made the killing of other groups of people open to consideration. (Think: Terri Schindler Schiavo. Think: the “patients” of Dr Jack Kevorkian…and then think: Who is next???)
We have all ready killed 45 million American citizens. How much lower can we go???

 

[DJgang]

See my signature.

 

[urban-hermit]

I hope this will not be taken as a “flame”, and I apologize in advance if most of you already know this stuff…

I think there are various ways to answer your question of why we are obliged to take a public stand on abortion, but one thing to keep in mind is a perspective based in reality. If we do that, the question really answers itself.

Too many people don’t want to hear about abortion - “don’t give me no bad news!” - and MOST people have no idea how bad the problem is. Usually other lesser issues - still important! mind you, but not AS important - have been blown out of proportion to obscure the worst tragedy in our nation’s history.

1,953 American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq so far.
( Forces: U.S. & Coalition/Casualties - Special Reports from CNN.com )

In 2004, 59 US criminals were executed. (deathpenaltyinfo.org)

Every single day an average of more than 3000 American priests, nuns, teachers, office workers, doctors, lawyers, cooks, maids, bartenders, brothers, sisters, … – all still in the embryonic stage – are allowed to be killed for no reason. Well, I guess there is a reason: their parents believe that they, not God, get to decide who lives or dies.

“Safely” and legally. I had a hard time even finding out how many abortions take place every year in the United States. The Planned Parenthood site said 1996 was the last year they had data for. In 1996, 1.36 million Americans were killed by abortion that year. So dividing that by 365 you get approximately 3,726 humans killed per day (at the 1996 rate).

(Apparently, the public has a “right to know” many things, but how many abortions occur nationally is not something we really NEED to know.)

I don’t mean to be overly sensational. But the American media and culture are using all their power to keep this “toned down” and swept under the rug. They don’t want anybody to actually attach emotional significance to it. But the only way to prevent emotion is not to show it for what it is. To disguise it as something else: “not human” … “a necessary evil” … not so!

The scope of the horror demands action. And I think this is why the Church is bringing it to the forefront and highlighting our OBLIGATION, especially if one is a politician with some (name removed by moderator)ut to the power structure that is continuing to allow this horrible national disgrace.

 

[Jabronie]

urban-hermit:

I hope this will not be taken as a “flame”, and I apologize in advance if most of you already know this stuff…

I think there are various ways to answer your question of why we are obliged to take a public stand on abortion, but one thing to keep in mind is a perspective based in reality. If we do that, the question really answers itself.

Too many people don’t want to hear about abortion - “don’t give me no bad news!” - and MOST people have no idea how bad the problem is. Usually other lesser issues - still important! mind you, but not AS important - have been blown out of proportion to obscure the worst tragedy in our nation’s history.

1,953 American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq so far.
( Forces: U.S. & Coalition/Casualties - Special Reports from CNN.com )

In 2004, 59 US criminals were executed. (deathpenaltyinfo.org)

Every single day an average of more than 3000 American priests, nuns, teachers, office workers, doctors, lawyers, cooks, maids, bartenders, brothers, sisters, … – all still in the embryonic stage – are allowed to be killed for no reason. Well, I guess there is a reason: their parents believe that they, not God, get to decide who lives or dies.

“Safely” and legally. I had a hard time even finding out how many abortions take place every year in the United States. The Planned Parenthood site said 1996 was the last year they had data for. In 1996, 1.36 million Americans were killed by abortion that year. So dividing that by 365 you get approximately 3,726 humans killed per day (at the 1996 rate).

(Apparently, the public has a “right to know” many things, but how many abortions occur nationally is not something we really NEED to know.)

I don’t mean to be overly sensational. But the American media and culture are using all their power to keep this “toned down” and swept under the rug. They don’t want anybody to actually attach emotional significance to it. But the only way to prevent emotion is not to show it for what it is. To disguise it as something else: “not human” … “a necessary evil” … not so!

The scope of the horror demands action. And I think this is why the Church is bringing it to the forefront and highlighting our OBLIGATION, especially if one is a politician with some (name removed by moderator)ut to the power structure that is continuing to allow this horrible national disgrace.

THAT is a good answer. I notice this is your first post. Welcome aboard!

 

[kaymart]

We live in a Democracy where people are free to choose what Religion they want to follow, so to enforce Sunday Mass attendence, their beliefs on condom or diaphram or any “barrier type BC”, adultery, even acts of Homosexuality in private, Using the Lord’s Name in vain, although all these things offend me and other Catholics, it is a free Country, and you just can’t force “morality” into law. On the other hand “Abortion and Birth Control with an abortion effect” are murder pure and simple no matter what their Religion is or if they even have a Religion at all. Also on the Homosexual issue, you can’t “jail” every homosexual who does their thing in private, but we can stop any laws allowing them to “marry” which is a mockery on All Marriages of men and women, whetever they were married in a Catholic Church other Church, Temple or even “Town Hall”

 

[kaymart]

Now part #2 on living in a Democracy, as much as respect their rights, it angers me that the Polictally Correct of this Country can and do push their beliefs down our throats. That said I feel better thank you But again ABORTION is murder and this is serious.

 

[mjdonnelly]

Abortion is very different from other mortal sins. We all know that a mortal sin seriously damages your realtionship with God. Each and every one of them. Most of the mortal sins brough up are just a matter of free will, the person chooses to commit the sin and damage themselves. Now, besides having an abortion or enabling someone to have an abortion damaging your relationship, it directly affects another in a serious way. It causes their death. Notice that I typed the portion with “enabling someone to have an abortion”. How many of us would ignore someone having an affair, skipping mass, or another item. Without saying something like “I missed you at mass yesterday”, etc. The victim here is defensless, unable to make themselves be heard. It is our duty to make our voices heard in defense of these children. When voting, think what is more important. Having a lower tax bill, better education, better health care, or saving someone’s life? After we die there is no concern for what our taxes were, how we were educated, or the type of access we had to medical care. Choosing to support a politician who votes to kill children will stay with us after we die.

 

[urban-hermit]

Jabronie:

THAT is a good answer. I notice this is your first post. Welcome aboard!

Thank you Jabronie, for your encouragement and for the welcome. I’m happy to have found these forums & thankful to Catholic Answers for hosting them. Laudetur Jesus Christus! (Praised be Jesus Christ!)

 

[Yearning]

I haven’t read all of the responses, so this may have already been covered.

Using your argument, one would need to make muder legal.

Murder is illegal because we don’t want to be killed. Abortion is legal, because there is no possibility that any of the politicians voting on it could be aborted.

Doesn’t mean that abortion should be be legal, though.

 

[Topher]

Jabronie:

Please don’t flame me for this one

We all agree that abortion is morally wrong. We also agree that adultery is morally wrong. As well as using birth-control, masturbating, viewing pornography, cursing the Lord’s name, missing Mass without valid reason, and committing acts of homosexuality. All of these actions are legal under U.S. law.

So here’s the question. Why must we fight for the cause against legalized abortion? A mortal sin is a mortal sin. WIth most mortal sins, we know that we should not commit them, but we never demand laws forbiding them. Why must we demand government outlaw one mortal sin (abortion) but not another (fornication, for example.)

This especially goes for politicians. (Not that’d I ever for a John Kerry or Ted Kennedy) Why does the Church mandiate a politication support a national ban on abortion, but not a national ban on skipping Mass, which is also a mortal sin?

For the record, I do think Roe v. Wade is bad law and should be overturned, but that’s more of a constitutional issue to me.

Because abortion=mudrder. Plain and simple and the right to not be murdered is a right granted by God almighty.