Why All "good people" won't be in Heaven

[GaryTaylor]

Please do not think that I do not think that Jesus did not reveal “any” moral teachings which can be applied universally, but there were definitely teachings in Judeo-Christianity and Islam which were time and place specific…

Just my humble deductions on what I have learnt

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The talking point is here…

“Christianity is a God’s religion and have many truths and morally is a stated point.”

Mentioned above by another member of another religion. What is the universal truth and morality in regards to good people who will or won’t get to heaven?

 

[Servant19]

The talking point is here…

“Christianity is a God’s religion and have many truths and morally is a stated point.”

Mentioned above by another member of another religion. What is the universal truth and morality in regards to good people who will or won’t get to heaven?

Hi Gary, I was just responding the question of which moral or civil laws we should ALL be adhering to.

There are specific moral teachings which are specific to Judeo-Christian values and had more application at that time, and there are similarly some teachings of the same ilk in Islam.

Of course, both religions teach love for one another etc

No religion will exist if love was not the central moral teaching, but “how” to show love to one another is a learning which requires progressive guidance.

I personally think that the expession of love in Christianity and Islam finds its fullest expression in the Baha’i teachings. I see true “oneness” never seen before in religious history expressed in the Writings of Baha’u’llah.



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[GaryTaylor]

No religion will exist if love was not the central moral teaching, but “how” to show love to one another is a learning which requires progressive guidance…

This is stated 4-posts above, nothing added.

I personally think that the expession of love…

“Christianity is a God’s religion and have many truths and morally is a stated point.”

Then you said

Jesus did not reveal “any” moral teachings which can be applied universally,…

Then you said.

There are specific moral teachings which are specific to Judeo-Christian values ,…

Which we are not speaking of…“Christianity is a God’s religion and have many truths and morally is a stated point.”

Whats the Truth and morality of Gods religion aside for what I stated 4-posts above and you seem to agree with above but disagree with here…

Jesus did not reveal “any” moral teachings which can be applied universally,…

“Christianity is a God’s religion and have many truths and morally is a stated point.”

Good people are looking to get to heaven.

 

[GaryTaylor]

What did Bab and Mohammed do to “perfect” Love Your Neighbor as Yourself.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Remain on the topic of the OP

 

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deleted in the spirit of the above post.

 

[Novocastrian]

For my own sake, I hope God extends grace to those that doubt - even Mother Teresa when through years with a doubting faith.

Mathew 17:20 gives us good hope. (Remember mustard sees are basically the size of dust, and in ancient times, considered the ideal of the smallest of the small.)

He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

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In my opinion, N0X3x is being incredibly wise - in using his mind to align himself with something good. I’m confident that God will give this good person a inkling of faith that can be built upon.

I’d add that saving faith is trust, not intellectual belief or cognition. I believe in the truth of the Gospel, but am really, really bad at basing my life on it. I’d much rather have more doubt and be as personally committed as N0X3x is. Better to have a doubting faith than to be a whitewashed tomb!

 

[billt9]

“Good master, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

“Why do you call me good; there is none good but God.”
Paul said he was the worst sinner of all, a “wretched man.”

I see no Gods on this earth (except Jesus of course), so there are no good people, in this since, on earth for “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.”

We are not good in God’s sight; hence the need for a savior, who was good in this life and who in grace extends his righteous to us through our faith.

 

[N0X3x]

I was going to appologize for derailing the thread, but I realized that the subject of my view on religion has a lot to do with the topic at hand, especially in light of this post.

But IF Catholicism is most likely true. And IF you don’t you don’t believe (agnostic by belief), then aren’t you most likely heading towards the Infernal rather than the Beatific Vision?

Possibly, though generally, most accept that some sort of moral culpability for not believing is necessary for non-belief to be sinful, and thereby possibly damning. I will say that if I am morally culpable for my non-belief (or lack of faith, for that matter, which I think are two different things) by somehow willfully deceiving myself or not accepting God’s gift of faith, it is not an act I commit consciously.

Catholicism is pretty clear that belief is ordinarily required for salvation.

I’m not so sure that this is true. Though some may say that I only do so because it is convenient for myself, I adopt the position C. S. Lewis seems to give: that people are saved based on the kind of people they are, and how similar they are to Christ, not upon what actions they’ve done or whether or not they accept the claim that God exists and that christ died on the cross for them. this position makes far more sense to me than basing salvation on whether or not you happen to believe in a particular religion.

IOW, assuming that Catholicism is most likely true, shouldn’t you spend every waking hour determining whether or not it really is true (so you can make an act of faith), considering what is most likely at stake?

I have my failings like anyone else. But when I am at my best, determining whether or not God exists and whether Catholicism is true is my highest priority. Not in order to make an act of faith (I don’t think that faith is an action) or to save my soul (for the reasons given above, among others), but because it is the claim upon which all other claims rest. With few exceptions, If I want to know the truth of anything, this point seems to be the one I’d have to be confident about one way or another in order to make almost any other sort of truth claim.