Why am I embarrassed to be poor?

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I am better off than many people in the world but by western standards I’m poor. WHY am I embarrassed about it though? I mean in Mary’s Canticle she says how God has sent away the rich with nothing. In the Beautitudes Jesus says blessed are the poor…

:confused: Do I feel weird about it because society makes me feel bad about being poor? I generally am fine and accepting of my financial position but I know I could work on some of my feelings.

Just wondering…

Kat
 
I am better off than many people in the world but by western standards I’m poor. WHY am I embarrassed about it though? I mean in Mary’s Canticle she says how God has sent away the rich with nothing. In the Beautitudes Jesus says blessed are the poor…

:confused: Do I feel weird about it because society makes me feel bad about being poor? I generally am fine and accepting of my financial position but I know I could work on some of my feelings.

Just wondering…

Kat
I guess a lot of us are embarrassed about something in our lives. For me I occasionally get embarrassed about the fact that I am single. Good Christian women are portrayed as being wives and mothers, who are master homemakers, homeschoolers and have about a dozen children. All of whom are well behaved.

Now do I regret not being married? No. Honestly, if I had gotten married to my atheist fiancé I would still be an atheist.

Feelings come and go. 🤷
 
I am better off than many people in the world but by western standards I’m poor. WHY am I embarrassed about it though? I mean in Mary’s Canticle she says how God has sent away the rich with nothing. In the Beautitudes Jesus says blessed are the poor…

:confused: Do I feel weird about it because society makes me feel bad about being poor? I generally am fine and accepting of my financial position but I know I could work on some of my feelings.

Just wondering…

Kat
Why do you feel embarrassed…jesus was born in to poverty , his first bed was in a manger in a stable…remember the ten commandments say not to covet our neighbours goods…people with more than you may seem happy on the outside,but they may not be as happy as you think…

God may know that its better for you spiritually to have just the amount you have now…what I do when I wish I had more is I think of (and pray for) the homeless people living on streets, the people living in shanty towns and alums,the people who are human trafficked as modern day slaves etc and I realise that there are people far worse off than me and compared to them in blessed even if I’m not rich by western standards…

Remember once you get to heaven you will be richer than you can comprehend as the kingdom of heaven will be YOUR home!..if you aim for heaven and God then you wont be poor after you die 😃

God bless you

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Probably because our society equates affluence with worth. The successful people are put on pedestals and admired, which creates the false notion that having money equates to being “worthy” of praise.

It’s a falsehood that’s become far too prevalent. Remember that God doesn’t care about how much money you make, he cares about what you do with what you have.
 
Probably because our society equates affluence with worth. The successful people are put on pedestals and admired, which creates the false notion that having money equates to being “worthy” of praise.

It’s a falsehood that’s become far too prevalent. Remember that God doesn’t care about how much money you make, he cares about what you do with what you have.
Or, similarly to that, people associate affluence with success or achievement.

If somebody’s affluent, it’s obviously because they made the right decisions in life, stayed in school for so many years, and worked hard to make something of themself.

If not, it must be, for example, because you made mistakes, or you were lazy.

Obviously, that’s not always the case. Plenty of wealthy people got that way because they were born into advantages the rest of us didn’t have.
 
Why do we compare ourselves with others? Why do we encourage our children to compete with each other from an early age? Why are we Americans seriously considering a candidate for president who brags about his wealth and calls his opponents losers? Survival of the fittest, I suppose, and cultural conditioning. There is also the need in most of us to fit in with the group and to be accepted and even admired. Sociologists might say the wealthy person can better provide for and thus attract a mate, so maybe sex has something to do with it. Embarrassment, in my case, often goes hand-in-hand with low self-esteem and a lack of confidence. It can help remember that the Church is quite countercultural and even radical in this regard, indeed, “Blessed are the meek and the poor in spirit.” Consider yourself blessed!
 
I am better off than many people in the world but by western standards I’m poor. WHY am I embarrassed about it though? I mean in Mary’s Canticle she says how God has sent away the rich with nothing. In the Beautitudes Jesus says blessed are the poor…

:confused: Do I feel weird about it because society makes me feel bad about being poor? I generally am fine and accepting of my financial position but I know I could work on some of my feelings.

Just wondering…

Kat
Well, I suppose that none of us can actually say why you feel the way you do.

Certainly, our culture places the highest worth on those with the most money or celebrity (which closely correlates with wealth). Perhaps you should examine how much you have personally allowed yourself to take in the values of society as your own. 🤷

Our value before God has nothing to do with our perceived value to society. When you start to feel embarrassed, remember Whose you are, make an act of faith, and say a prayer for someone who has no one to pray for them. That would have more value in eternity than anything money could buy 👍
 
I am better off than many people in the world but by western standards I’m poor. WHY am I embarrassed about it though? I mean in Mary’s Canticle she says how God has sent away the rich with nothing. In the Beautitudes Jesus says blessed are the poor…

:confused: Do I feel weird about it because society makes me feel bad about being poor? I generally am fine and accepting of my financial position but I know I could work on some of my feelings.

Just wondering…

Kat
Sometimes the impulse to be embarrassed at one’s poverty depends on where one lives. I don’t know what it feels to be poor in, say, St. Louis, Missouri, USA. Probably not too good. I live in the Ozarks of southern Missouri and there’s no shame connected with it at all here; presumably because just about everybody was poor until not long ago. When I was a kid, we had no running water and no plumbing. No furnace either. My mother washed clothes in a creek below our house and we got water in buckets from a spring that fed the creek. There was virtually no wildlife then because people ate absolutely anything they could shoot, trap or catch.

I see you live in Finland. I don’t know, but I suspect there are parts of Finland where it’s no embarrassment at all. But I recognize there are places where there is a lot of prosperity.

I’m not ashamed of the new prosperity we have where I live. But I do sometimes lament that far fewer people in my part of the country are being raised poor…including my own children. I realize it doesn’t seem at all a blessing when one is in it, and one who isn’t poor has no right to wish it on anyone else. But I still think sometimes that people should live as if they were poor even if they aren’t.

I fear that will pass away here in a generation. For now, there is a local saying that goes like this: “How can you tell a millionaire from a factory worker in the Ozarks?” Answer: “The factory worker drives a newer pickup truck.”
 
What about a mother whose daughter constantly reminds her how bad they had it when she was small?

I think that could hurt more than just not having material wealth.
 
Western society values wealth. Consumerism at the heart of American society.
 
Because we all struggle with sin. It sounds like your conscious is tweaking you. Perhaps God wants you to learn gratitude, perhaps he wants you to learn charity.
 
Katpants - I don’t know you, so this may not be true for you. The only person I know who is embarrassed about being poor has a problem with pride. He is ashamed of being poor.
 
Western society values wealth. Consumerism at the heart of American society.
All societies have, do, and always will value wealth. Consumerism is not at the heart of American society. It’s in the human heart, Americans being no exception.

That’s not to say consumerism beyond one’s needs is a good thing.

But one also needs to add that there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with wealth. It’s a matter of what one does with it and the degree to which one is dedicated to it. It’s a false god, not to be worshiped. But there are lots of false gods, and wealth is but one of them.
 
What about a mother whose daughter constantly reminds her how bad they had it when she was small?

I think that could hurt more than just not having material wealth.
I guess this is a smart-aleck answer, but I would certainly give it. My answer would be “…and you’re alive today, aren’t you…”
 
Probably because our society equates affluence with worth. The successful people are put on pedestals and admired, which creates the false notion that having money equates to being “worthy” of praise.

It’s a falsehood that’s become far too prevalent. Remember that God doesn’t care about how much money you make, he cares about what you do with what you have.
Additionally,wealth oftentimes equates with intellect.Affluent people are generally more ecucated than those of lesser means.If one has financial success it is assumed they are smart,come from good stock so to speak.
 
All societies have, do, and always will value wealth. Consumerism is not at the heart of American society. It’s in the human heart, Americans being no exception.

That’s not to say consumerism beyond one’s needs is a good thing.

But one also needs to add that there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with wealth. It’s a matter of what one does with it and the degree to which one is dedicated to it. It’s a false god, not to be worshiped. But there are lots of false gods, and wealth is but one of them.
Consumerism has been a powerful force in American society, though, and probably most 1st world countries; you’d have to look at each country to know for sure and to what degree.

In the U.S., we have taken honest work such as manufacturing jobs away from millions of people by outsourcing it to other countries. The jobs that remain are largely in the service industry such as retail and fast food. These workers are rarely given much respect by management or customers, even if they are sincere hard workers. Their pay is considerably less than pay in either blue-collar or white-collar jobs. They are deliberately scheduled part-time even when they rarely have benefits.

Others are poor not because they have a low on the totem pole job, but because they have made bad decisions; it’s hard to get out of the hole once you’re in it, plus you have the shame of realizing you did it to yourself, out of ignorance or stubbornness or addictive spending or whatever. Even when you know better later, the money can’t be gotten back, nor the time or the youthful energy to make up for the deficit.

Finally, there is so much temptation, shiny things all around and pressure to redefine a want as a need.
 
Perhaps some Calvinistic ideas have crept in in Finland as they have in the US? The prosperity theology sort of idea that if one is doing well materially, God loves them more?

But the implication that if one doesn’t have The Latest Thing one has been terrifically irresponsible… that’s endemic. A few years ago, someone in a hurry called my husband, who was not home. He asked for his cell phone number and I said he doesn’t have a cell phone and the guy got mad!!! (Naturally I assumed this must he very important bit my husband said no, it was nothing!)

But at the same time, I think it may be that people feel the same sort of pressure people feel who want to reatin their virginity–that being up-to-date is the sine qua non of lfe, and doing something as medieval as remaining pure, avoiding sin, and maybe even deliberately making decisions which lead to less money (like one parent staying home, or not accepting a time-consuming promotion), act as a reproach to others, who then emit even more pressure to Do The Right Thing, to behave normally, ie, as they do.
 
Just a last reflection, and this might be my last post in 2015.

“Poor” is relative. I grew up poor relative to most people in this country. Right now, most people would consider me "well off.

But I have, in my time, known lots of people who are truly rich but don’t seem so, and people who are truly rich who do.

I don’t dress badly, but I don’t buy $5,000 suits. I drive good cars, but always used.

And from time to time I have occasion to be around people who are truly wealthy and who look the part in every way; the $5,000 suit, the brand-new BMW 700 series, the silk shirt, the $200 tie, the $1,000 shoes. I stick out in a very poor way among them in my $200 off-the-rack suit, my $170 shoes, $25 shirt and my eight-year-old BMW 700 series or my 10-year-old 3/4 ton Silverado. And I’m as sure as I’m born they see the differences. They see them because they know all of the little things I don’t know and won’t ever bother to learn.

There are whole swarms of people like that. I once had the chance to join them. I once had a truly rich girlfriend. She lived in the “Gatsby” part of Long Island; the only child of a ship owner who had died fabulously wealthy. She was as “perfect” in appearance as a young woman of reasonably good looks can. I was in graduate school at the time. She informed me that none of the men in her “circle” actually worked, except that sometimes they would be on boards or foundations or things of that sort. But real work for one’s living? No.

I’ll admit it was an enticing situation. Could have married the girl by simply asking, even just consenting. But I couldn’t do it. There was something really off-putting about the world she lived in and, though it wasn’t her fault, about her.

There was, of course, the “perfection” thing. I didn’t ask, but I imagine her hairdresser was very expensive. Her hair looked it. Her clothes were obviously expensive. She put up with the “dating activities” I could afford (not much) but there was always this sort of thing: “Come to Long Island this summer. We’ll play country set by day and go to Manhattan at night.” She meant every night. I told her I had to work to put myself through school, but that was not a problem. Her mother, she said, would employ me for whatever I needed. She assured me that I could learn to play polo and sail.

It got to where I somehow just couldn’t stand it. We even talked about children, and she assured me that one would be quite enough. I expressed dismay at that, and she then allowed for two. Ultimately, I realized that she didn’t “own her life”, her life owned her. And it would own me too if I stayed with all of that. It wasn’t really her fault. I knew that. What did she know other than what she had grown up with? But it was like she was in one dimension and I was in another, and while I could jump the gap if I wanted to, I would always, in my heart, be a stranger to her world and therefore to her. I was certain I could adapt to the ways of her “circle”, but I would always still be me despite it. I would, for example, always prefer to drink moonshine with hillbillies on a creek bank than to drink Chateau Petrus at a dinner where there were five forks, even if I learned how to use the five forks. I didn’t begrudge those people their wealth or even their ways. It just wasn’t me.

So I broke up with her and married the daughter of a hardware store salesman. 🤷 It wasn’t that I preferred a poor girl for the sake of poverty. Poverty itself has little with which to recommend itself. It was because the one who became my wife (and still is) became my “confidant”; a relationship that turned to love. (It didn’t hurt that she was strikingly beautiful, I’ll admit.) In the early years of our marriage we were really poor. But we were happy because of each other. Many of our dates consisted in eating bagels and cucumbers on a river bank because we couldn’t afford anything else. The “event” was just us, and that was enough.

Half the world would say I was insane to give up the “rich girlfriend”, Long Island mansion, polo, sailing and a luxurious life, and some have marveled at the story. Today, I expect the “rich girlfriend” would notice a million negative things about me if she saw me. Everything about me would be “wrong” when they could have been “right”. And I would notice in her a now-somewhat-aged “perfection” to the extent age can be fought off with money. I wouldn’t hate her today. I sure wouldn’t. Not in the least. But if I had joined her world, I might have learned how.

Would I be embarrassed to meet the “rich girlfriend” today? I suppose I would a little. But I would also know my wife is still my confidant, who understands me better than I understand myself. I would know I have five children and 17 grandchildren. I would know I love driving my aging Silverado in the woods, particularly in snow. The mud and cow manure on my boots would be really off-putting to the “rich girlfriend”. But to be truthful, I’m rather proud of it because, while I don’t know how to play polo or sail, I know how to work cattle in a corral and not get killed doing it. (I hope) And I probably would be proud of it in the presence of the “rich girlfriend” too, at least to myself.

There is a certain satisfaction in being oneself, regardless of one’s circumstance. It’s nowhere near as appreciated as it should be.
 
I am better off than many people in the world but by western standards I’m poor. WHY am I embarrassed about it though? I mean in Mary’s Canticle she says how God has sent away the rich with nothing. In the Beautitudes Jesus says blessed are the poor…

:confused: Do I feel weird about it because society makes me feel bad about being poor? I generally am fine and accepting of my financial position but I know I could work on some of my feelings.

Just wondering…

Kat
When I was young we grew up poor, 10 kids, an alcoholic Father, but somehow my Mom always made sure we had something to eat. She canned everything she could grow or get her hands on by picking what others gave her. Us kids helped out too. Thanks to her large family we had plenty of hand-me-down clothes etc. I know my Mom’s Dad helped us a lot in spite of his large family. My Mom used to help an older lady to earn some money also. And my older brother quit school to work. We all made it and Mom taught us how to appreciate those that helped us. I always admired my big brother and also the next one in line to help out. They were and still are my heroes. The year I turned 16, I got a 39cent tube of pink lipstick and I thought that was the greatest gift ever! I think people have toooo much today and they really don’t appreciate it. So much wasted food, money etc. I thank God I never grew up materialistic. Labels don’t mean a thing to me. I have never owned a credit card. And I put 7 kids thru Catholic Schools on my deceased husbands benefits. (Our home was paid for) And I drove second hand cars. As the boys got older, they got part time jobs and helped out by paying for their school lunches, clothes etc. It can be done, believe me and I don’t regret one minute of it. They don’t either. They learned responsibility, and how to stretch their money. They bought their own cars, paid their own insurance etc. I am proud of them all. Their still all very close. They go fishing, hunting and camping together and their kids go with them, even the girls. Just wanted you to know there is absolutely nothing wrong with being poor in today’s standards! God Bless, Memaw
 
When I was young we grew up poor, 10 kids, an alcoholic Father, but somehow my Mom always made sure we had something to eat. She canned everything she could grow or get her hands on by picking what others gave her. Us kids helped out too. Thanks to her large family we had plenty of hand-me-down clothes etc. I know my Mom’s Dad helped us a lot in spite of his large family. My Mom used to help an older lady to earn some money also. And my older brother quit school to work. We all made it and Mom taught us how to appreciate those that helped us. I always admired my big brother and also the next one in line to help out. They were and still are my heroes. The year I turned 16, I got a 39cent tube of pink lipstick and I thought that was the greatest gift ever! I think people have toooo much today and they really don’t appreciate it. So much wasted food, money etc. I thank God I never grew up materialistic. Labels don’t mean a thing to me. I have never owned a credit card. And I put 7 kids thru Catholic Schools on my deceased husbands benefits. (Our home was paid for) And I drove second hand cars. As the boys got older, they got part time jobs and helped out by paying for their school lunches, clothes etc. It can be done, believe me and I don’t regret one minute of it. They don’t either. They learned responsibility, and how to stretch their money. They bought their own cars, paid their own insurance etc. I am proud of them all. Their still all very close. They go fishing, hunting and camping together and their kids go with them, even the girls. Just wanted you to know there is absolutely nothing wrong with being poor in today’s standards! God Bless, Memaw
P.S. I have shopped at the Thrift stores and garage sales for YEARS. Save LOTS of money there!! HAPPY NEW YEAR !! God Bless, Memaw
 
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