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aspawloski4th
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Doing nothing is doing harm. Ever heard the saying “evil prevails when good men do nothing”?
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Oscarthecat
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Nice twist, but any reasonable person knows that you’re just setting up a false imperative by pretending that the healthcare debate boils down to a binary choice between “doing something” and “doing nothing” wherein “doing something” is an absolute good and “doing nothing” is an absolute evil.
“Doing nothing” is a better alternative than euthanizing the terminally ill.
“Doing nothing” is better than forcing taxpayers to fund abortion.
“Doing nothing” is better than creating a gigantic government program that will end up costing more than our current system and still restrict necessary care based on a different set of criteria.
All I want is to be allowed to not participate in your nefarious plan. I am content to help people in other ways that don’t involve the government.
The real question, for me, is why you and those who support these kinds of programs are so willing to hurt other people by forcing them to do something they don’t want to do.
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aspawloski4th
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We are forced to do what we don’t want to do all the time. My city is forcing home respairs on me on things that I have neither time nor money for, my state forces me to have car insurance, even though the part they require I am never going to use. The day I am not forced to do what I dont want to do is the day when I be worried about what others want.
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aspawloski4th
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Doing nothing is defacto causing Pathia to be euthanised for a chrinic illness that can be controlled but for the cost. What I said about doing nothing stands.
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ComputerGeek25
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Some of this imposes on the freedom of others. For example, your state forces you to have car insurance for two reasons:
- The state owns the roads, and therefore can make laws that govern the use of said roads.
- The state wants to ensure that accidents, damage and injuries that you may cause others is adequately paid for.
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Oscarthecat
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Thank you. You’ve summed up my point for me.
If you don’t do what your government tells you, they fine you, they take away your home, or they lock you in a cage.
The government forces us to pay taxes so it can take care of housing- yet, we still have homeless people.
The government forces us to pay taxes so it can keep waging a war on recreational drugs- but there are more kinds of recreational drugs now than ever, and even more people using then.
The government forces us to pay taxes so it can educate our children- but our schools are performing worse than ever.
And yet, you think it is a GOOD idea to hand over something like healthcare to these people on the basis that not enough people have healthcare now?
Do you really think the government will be able to do that? Do you really believe they won’t make it worse? Look around you! Do you see ANY evidence that the government does ANYTHING really well??
They can’t fix our schools, can’t help our homeless— for crying out loud, they can’t even fix our streets!
Wait- there is one thing they do very well-- they do hurt people very effectively. For example, they’re very good at waging war, putting people in prison, and taxing people into the ground.
And another thing…
read that last part of your quote again…
When did you come to believe that you’re NOT supposed to be worried about what others want???
That’s one of the fundamentals of Christianity!
Look, the whole idea that the government is going to take care of the sick, the needy, the homeless, or the hungry is an affront to Christianity because it makes people believe that they no longer have a personal responsibility to help others!
You’re right to want to help the sick. You’re right to be angry at the current system because it fails to do so.
But don’t delude yourself into thinking that your responsibility to others is satisfied by giving the government more power.
If you want to help someone, then go help them.
If you don’t know how, or think you can’t, then go read the lives of the saints and see how so many of them managed to help others without ever getting the government involved.
We ARE forced to do what we don’t want to do-- all the time. We are FORCED.
If you don’t do what your government tells you, they fine you, they take away your home, or they lock you in a cage.
The government forces us to pay taxes so it can take care of housing- yet, we still have homeless people.
The government forces us to pay taxes so it can keep waging a war on recreational drugs- but there are more kinds of recreational drugs now than ever, and even more people using then.
The government forces us to pay taxes so it can educate our children- but our schools are performing worse than ever.
And yet, you think it is a GOOD idea to hand over something like healthcare to these people on the basis that not enough people have healthcare now?
Do you really think the government will be able to do that? Do you really believe they won’t make it worse? Look around you! Do you see ANY evidence that the government does ANYTHING really well??
They can’t fix our schools, can’t help our homeless— for crying out loud, they can’t even fix our streets!
Wait- there is one thing they do very well-- they do hurt people very effectively. For example, they’re very good at waging war, putting people in prison, and taxing people into the ground.
And another thing…
read that last part of your quote again…
You are SUPPOSED to be worried about what others want!!!
When did you come to believe that you’re NOT supposed to be worried about what others want???
That’s one of the fundamentals of Christianity!
Look, the whole idea that the government is going to take care of the sick, the needy, the homeless, or the hungry is an affront to Christianity because it makes people believe that they no longer have a personal responsibility to help others!
You’re right to want to help the sick. You’re right to be angry at the current system because it fails to do so.
But don’t delude yourself into thinking that your responsibility to others is satisfied by giving the government more power.
If you want to help someone, then go help them.
If you don’t know how, or think you can’t, then go read the lives of the saints and see how so many of them managed to help others without ever getting the government involved.
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gamewell45
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I have written to both my Senator and Congresswoman to no avail. All I get is lip service and a “thank you” for my concern.
I wasn’t proposing that the government not to fund the military; rather I was suggesting that if they were to close the bases overseas; pull out our troops and just protect our shores here at home, that would save so much money that could be used to fund medical care for our own citizens.
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aspawloski4th
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I have a quasi motto that I go by in my daily life. " tkae too long on diciding what method you use to acomplish a task, you will never get it done. it doesnt matter how the job gets done, only that it gets done." . Myself I’d likely be fore elements of their reforms too, but their ideas have no chance of being made law. So I am not going waste my time and effort on that. For any conservative capitalistic plan to work, the monatary system has to be overhauled back to being an honest money system, and we need need an honesty ethical business comminity( I don’t put small business under that umbrella) which we dont have and I dont see happeneing in the forseeable future. What is being debated now in the congress and senate is more close to working in this sesspool than than anything being offered by Republicans. Paul Harvey used to always say the " self rule only works with self restraint". With the current crop of big business people there is no self restraint whatsoever. Al Capone use to say keep your friends close and keep your enemys even closer". See this as keeping your enemys closer.
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NotWorthy
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Yeah, that’s the attitude that brought on Ethanol.
What are the results of this “change”? Higher food prices, which causes more suffering in poor countries. Refineries that put out more pollutants than their gasoline producing cousins. And cars that don’t get better gas mileage.
Oh yeah. Change is ALWAYS better than doing nothing!
Isn’t that the thinking that has made this “Obama-nation” an abomination?!?
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NotWorthy
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I do find it ironic that a democrat is holding up the bill over its abortion stance.
Maybe there is a chance for our government after all?
Maybe there is a chance for our government after all?
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aspawloski4th
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Actually it is more complex than that. As a degreed meteorologist I know there is no global warming. I had a liberal professor from Britain who even knows that there isn’t global warming. I also know because of knowledge of auto mechanics that ethanol blends warp engine heads because ethan ol burns hotter, while putting out less btus making it a bust. Ill also add because ethanol has more water in the exaust it tends in cars that use it often to rust out exaust systems quicker. If it still ran Id still have my 1981 Olds full size station wagon that saved my life in car crashes twice. Im pragmatic, I have no alegance to anyone in the political world.
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ahollars
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Then I would be forced to follow. I would not expect them to disrupt their lives further by moving back home to take care of me or their mother, anymore than I would be able to move back home if my parents suddenly lost everything. I would invite them into my home and honor them until God calls them.
We have been told:
I, for one, will not be caught off guard if our financial system collapses.
Something we all should think about.
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NotWorthy
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Which proves my point. People scare us into thinking that we’re running out of oil and what oil we do have is killing the planet. So they rush off to create something more “eco-friendly”… something that they just happened to invest in years earlier… hmmmm… coincidence, I’m sure.
But my point is, we are cajoled into believing that ethanol will fix numerous problems… that change is good and necessary. That has proven to be a bald-faced lie; and the results (higher food prices due to corn shortages) were predicted by those whe didn’t believe the lie.
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wabrams
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What self restraint to you think our Congressmen will show with a single payer system? With all the extra tax money coming in from that, I somehow do not see most of it going back into the healthcare system.
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Oscarthecat
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You didn’t respond directly to what I wrote- but from what I can surmise, you’re trying to make the point that our unjust political system is a necessary evil because it somehow balances an unjust market system.
I cannot understand how the presence of an unethical business community justifies giving our healthcare over to an equally unethical political community.
What you are proposing is putting a bear in a henhouse to keep the wolves from breaking in and eating the chickens.
Let me break this down another way…
Big businesses can afford lobbyists.
People who can’t afford healthcare cannot afford lobbyists.
Lobbyists WROTE the healthcare bill and are currently pushing very hard for it.
So, if big businesses can afford lobbyists, and poor people cannot, who do you think has their interests best represented in the healthcare bill?
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Oscarthecat
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And another thing…
How does this statement possibly help your side of this debate?
Really? I mean…really???
How does this statement possibly help your side of this debate?
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BPWilson
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I love reading these posts. It reaffirms to me that our faith is strong, and it is our faith that will enable us to continue to work and pray for a better life for all. The OP has asked several times ‘what is to be done about the people mentioned in his article’. Sadly, there isn’t a system that will cover or prevent the catastrophies that are described. There will always be people that fall through the cracks. Life isn’t fair. I see this everyday as a surgeon. I-- at least for now-- can’t change anything on a grand scale, but I can act within my small medical sphere. I, and almost all physicians that I know, give a lot of free medical care, often only accept what insurance pays (patients don’t pay deductible or co-pay), or accept what is a reasonable fee. I have several people that I did surgery on a few years ago paying $10/week. Don’t get me wrong. Most of the people that I see are on a regular pay method, and I live well, but when help is needed- no one is not given surgical care because they can’t afford it. And no one that has been seen/treated through our surgical group has come anywhere near bankruptcy because of what we have done. My point is what are we as individuals doing? I’m reminded of a story of two people walking along a beach. There were thousands of starfish washed upon the shore, and were soon to die. As one of the two was walking, he kept picking up and throwing starfish back into the ocean. The other walker asked him ’ why do you keep throwing those starfish back in the water? There are so many, that you can’t save them all, what you’re doing doesn’t make a difference’. The first person picked up another starfish threw is back into the ocean and said- it made a difference to that one.
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NotWorthy
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You want healthcare reform? Why don’t you make small baby steps instead of this “one for all” deal.
Start with 3 bills:
a) Eliminate the 500 million that the President claims goes to corruption and illegal waste. Everyone agrees so pass a bill that does just that.
b) Tort Reform!!! That would cut the doctors cost immeasurably and maybe OBGYN’s would return to Mississippi.
Texas has done this and it has helped a lot.
c) You think competition lowers prices? I agree. Eliminate these state-line limitations and let people shop for their healthcare outside their state.
Then sit back and evaluate if the system has improved or not. But please don’t let these climate-changing scientist do the measuring!!!
Start with 3 bills:
a) Eliminate the 500 million that the President claims goes to corruption and illegal waste. Everyone agrees so pass a bill that does just that.
b) Tort Reform!!! That would cut the doctors cost immeasurably and maybe OBGYN’s would return to Mississippi.
Texas has done this and it has helped a lot.
c) You think competition lowers prices? I agree. Eliminate these state-line limitations and let people shop for their healthcare outside their state.
Then sit back and evaluate if the system has improved or not. But please don’t let these climate-changing scientist do the measuring!!!
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aspawloski4th
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There is one and only one reason for that. Because people make it that way. That can be fixed if we want to.
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aspawloski4th
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You forgot there are lobbyests that are anti big busess involved too.
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