Why Am I for nationa healthcare?

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Some interesting points made here. My apologies to anyone who took my comments as bashing the US. I’ve been to the US several times (once to work) and have some very close American friends. A warmer, more hospitable and welcoming people you won’t find anywhere. Except in Australia, of course (just kidding!). But the notion that rights are only God-given would seem to fly in the face of that magnificent piece of literature on which your great nation is founded - the Declaration of Independence. Not to mention your Constitution which contains some pretty important man-given rights. Like the right to bear arms. Don’t remember Jesus ever saying anything about that.

An intriguing comment was made that Jesus never asked the Government for help. Given that Judea in 33 AD was a Roman province, the rulers of which were not particularly sympathetic to rebels, this shouldn’t be too surprising. But he did say plenty about looking out for the sick, the poor, the marginalised etc. “However you treat the least of my brothers, you treat me” kinda stuff. People like illegal aliens and other marginalised folk.

Finally, regarding keeping the government from things, I tend to be with you on that. Particularly when it comes to bailing out millionaire bankers who exhort us to support small governemnt when times are good but who desperately reach out to Washington (and other capitals) for a hand out when the economic precipice beckons!

God Bless.
 
NotWorthy said:
I specifically said, they offer the same healthcare that pageois was talking about in Australia - nothing more and nothing less - to those who don’t have health insurance.

He seemed to be bashing the US for not having something that we actually do have.
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Uninsured have access to Emergency Care. Emergency Care does not equal ‘healthcare’
 
pathia said:
Uninsured have access to Emergency Care. Emergency Care does not equal ‘healthcare’
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Amazing how many that post here just don’t get that. It goes in one ear and out the other not to return.
 
pageois said:
Some interesting points made here. My apologies to anyone who took my comments as bashing the US. I’ve been to the US several times (once to work) and have some very close American friends. A warmer, more hospitable and welcoming people you won’t find anywhere. Except in Australia, of course (just kidding!). But the notion that rights are only God-given would seem to fly in the face of that magnificent piece of literature on which your great nation is founded - the Declaration of Independence. Not to mention your Constitution which contains some pretty important man-given rights.
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No, the writers of these masterpieces admit that those rights are given to us by our Creator.
pageois said:
An intriguing comment was made that Jesus never asked the Government for help. Given that Judea in 33 AD was a Roman province, the rulers of which were not particularly sympathetic to rebels, this shouldn’t be too surprising. But he did say plenty about looking out for the sick, the poor, the marginalised etc. “However you treat the least of my brothers, you treat me” kinda stuff. People like illegal aliens and other marginalised folk.
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Jesus was preaching to those who wanted to be in the Kingdom of God, not the government. He’s asking the Church to take care of Her own, not Rome or the American government.
pageois said:
Finally, regarding keeping the government from things, I tend to be with you on that. Particularly when it comes to bailing out millionaire bankers who exhort us to support small governemnt when times are good but who desperately reach out to Washington (and other capitals) for a hand out when the economic precipice beckons!

God Bless.
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I don’t recall the bankers going to government with their hands out. If I recall correctly, the government set the bankers down around a table and coerced them to sign the bailouts.
 
pathia said:
Uninsured have access to Emergency Care. Emergency Care does not equal ‘healthcare’
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Check out what Pageois wrote. I am equating the emergency care that he bragged about in Australia with the same emergency care that we have.

I did not state to Pageois that Emergency Care was healthcare.
 
Actually, I said nothing about emergency care. You did. I used the term ‘health care’. Which I agree with you is very different from emergency care. Nor was I bragging. Just stating the facts. The poor in Australia have access to health care (as well as emergency treatment) by virtue of a universal health care scheme contributed to by all taxpayers. A terrible communist conspiracy for some, no doubt. But fear not. Those who can afford it also have access to private health insurance and treatment in private hospitals. Phew!

Yes, your founding fathers described some unalienable rights as having come from the Creator. But they also pointed out that governments are instituted to secure those rights and derive their ‘just powers’ from the electorate. I think they slipped the one about carrying guns in when God was dosing. I’m not sure he’d regard that as an unalienable right. And, yes, I know that’s in the Bill of Rights and not the Declaration of Independence But you get my point.

Christ’s stated vicarious relationship between the way we treat others and Him is not exclusive of government. For a proud resident of a nation which expounds "In God We Trust’ on your currency and features ‘God Bless America’ (but rarely anyone else’s country) at the end of every public speech, your exhortation to divorce public action and Christ’s message to us all is interesting. Ahem.

Re the financial crisis, I think you need to read some more and get informed.

God Bless.
 
pageois said:
Actually, I said nothing about emergency care. You did. I used the term ‘health care’. Which I agree with you is very different from emergency care. Nor was I bragging. Just stating the facts.
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Let’s look at what you said.
pageois said:
But the poorest of the poor has access to health care in a public hospital.
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As I mentioned, the poor can go to the hospital and get care, usually via the emergency room. If Australia’s is different from this, than you might want to clarify it, so little sidebars that waste the thread can be avoided. Aspa implies that I’m one of the people who can’t get things through my thick skull, and needless rabbit holes like this only fuel the fire. My fault if I misunderstood you.
 
pageois said:
Yes, your founding fathers described some unalienable rights as having come from the Creator. But they also pointed out that governments are instituted to secure those rights and derive their ‘just powers’ from the electorate. I think they slipped the one about carrying guns in when God was dosing. I’m not sure he’d regard that as an unalienable right. And, yes, I know that’s in the Bill of Rights and not the Declaration of Independence But you get my point.
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“Secure” does not mean to “give us rights”. It means to protect those rights.

The right to bear arms is God given, for it gave us the right to protect us **from **the very government that should be protecting us. That’s the reason it was in there.

Those “just powers” are not meant to create new rights, but to enact the authority that the Constitution gave them. None of those authorities was to create new rights.
 
pageois said:
Christ’s stated vicarious relationship between the way we treat others and Him is not exclusive of government. For a proud resident of a nation which expounds "In God We Trust’ on your currency and features ‘God Bless America’ (but rarely anyone else’s country) at the end of every public speech, your exhortation to divorce public action and Christ’s message to us all is interesting. Ahem.
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No, Governments exhortation to divorce their public action and Christ’s message is interesting, except when its meant to justify their reasoning for taxing us even further.
pageois said:
Re the financial crisis, I think you need to read some more and get informed.

God Bless.
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Hmmm… What part of the bank’s signing on to the bail out money did I mis-state?

Also, the financial crisis was set up by forcing banks to open their credit lines to those who were unable to pay off those credits. Now, the banks are getting urged to follow very same guidelines that got us into this mess. Look and see what actions Chris Dodd, Barney Franks, and (I can’t remember her name) had in creating the atmosphere that caused all this mess.

Do you want proof? How come there have been no government investigations into what caused the financial banking crisis? The answer? Because then government would find that THEY are at fault.
 
Pageois - Wasn’t sure from your writings, but are you an American or Australian citizen?
 
NotWorthy said:
No, Governments exhortation to divorce their public action and Christ’s message is interesting, except when its meant to justify their reasoning for taxing us even further.

Hmmm… What part of the bank’s signing on to the bail out money did I mis-state?

Also, the financial crisis was set up by forcing banks to open their credit lines to those who were unable to pay off those credits. Now, the banks are getting urged to follow very same guidelines that got us into this mess. Look and see what actions Chris Dodd, Barney Franks, and (I can’t remember her name) had in creating the atmosphere that caused all this mess.

Do you want proof? How come there have been no government investigations into what caused the financial banking crisis? The answer? Because then government would find that THEY are at fault.
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Was the name on the tip of your tongue, [Ms. Mental Block] … was it Jamie Gorelick?

Several articles refer to her as the Mistress of Disaster.

She is unique among both genders as having not one, but TWO, trillion dollar disasters notched on her pistol grips. [If you look around, her finger prints are on some lesser debacles, as well.]

americanthinker.com/2008/09/mistress_of_disaster_jamie_gor.html

However, there WERE other women who worked with Barney Frank on the housing finance / banking crisis. As I recall, there are YouTube clips with some of these other ladies rebuffing President George W. Bush’s entreaties to fix the system BEFORE it broke.

But, they were not as highly paid as was Ms. Gorelick.

Even the left-leaning Wiki was unable to conceal her activities:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick

In addition, according to Wiki, she apparently had some role in the Duke University/ Lacrosse Team fiasco.

AND, she got one of those funny mortgages for HER house, like Dodd did:

hotair.com/archives/2008/11/10/the-return-of-the-wall/

And this one has the UN-edited Wiki article, or rather that part dealing with Fannie or Freddie and her saying what a great job she did.

freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2083525/posts
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Oops, got timed out.

And currently, more or less, she has been hired by Sallie Mae:

legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/08/jamie-gorelick-at-it-again.html

[sigh]
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Yes, you are right, it was Jamie Gorelick. She is also one of the main bumblers on setting up all the roadblocks that prevented our intelligence community from catching the 911 hijackers before it was too light.

But yes, Miss Gorelick, Mr. Barney Frank, and Mr. Dodd are the main stooges that help set up the banking fiasco which, as you pointed out so accurately, President George Bush tried to fix before it was too late!
 
KQP said:
So if you don’t mind my asking, why do you have such strong opinions on the US health system?
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Maybe because he sees it for the cruel sick joke that it is? Just guessing.
 
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