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wabrams
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And your type of thinking is what is slowing pushing this country into a class warfare.
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ManOnFire
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Let’s ask anyone who wants others to pay for their healthcare to submit to participation in a study that gives permission for a private detective to look at all credit card bills and monthly payments, and follow the participant around for a random week to keep track of all purchases. Only those who agree to be in the study and are only spending their money on basic food, clothing, and shelter will have their heathcare covered by taxpayers. Will you take this deal?
The problem with dreaming about helping the poor is this: most people conjure images of an honest, genuine poor person who lives in a meager home, has meager clothes and possessions, eats meager food, has no substance abuse problems, has no disposable income to spend on luxuries, and who genuinely appreciates help from others. This romantic dream is worth dreaming.
The reality is that many of the people who want heathcare to be paid for by others are able-bodied and have big screen TVs, spend on movies, music and sports, gambling, find money for alcohol, tobacco, drugs, and excessive food, cheat on their taxes or the system, and actually squalk when someone finally says enough is enough. Taking money from others to pay for healthcare is not a right when the receivers are spending on entertainment. The bottom line is that too many Americans have learned that the liberal pacifist media will stroke your ego by agreeing with you, telling you how right you are, shouting it from the rooftops, even though they are unelected nobodies whose opinions are irrelevant to truly open-minded independent thinkers. Why can’t people see that they’re purchasing only a dream but not reality?
Just remember, “FAST, CHEAP, GOOD: PICK ANY 2”
You can have it fast and cheap, but it won’t be good. You can have it cheap and good, but it won’t be fast. Or, you can have it fast and good, but it won’t be cheap.
If you think you wait a long time at the doctor’s office now, just wait for govt. hc.
If we keep adding floors to this house of cards, it will collapse. Get over it before you give us authoritarian socialism.
Or, we could try tort reform and shop state to state for coverage first.
The problem with dreaming about helping the poor is this: most people conjure images of an honest, genuine poor person who lives in a meager home, has meager clothes and possessions, eats meager food, has no substance abuse problems, has no disposable income to spend on luxuries, and who genuinely appreciates help from others. This romantic dream is worth dreaming.
The reality is that many of the people who want heathcare to be paid for by others are able-bodied and have big screen TVs, spend on movies, music and sports, gambling, find money for alcohol, tobacco, drugs, and excessive food, cheat on their taxes or the system, and actually squalk when someone finally says enough is enough. Taking money from others to pay for healthcare is not a right when the receivers are spending on entertainment. The bottom line is that too many Americans have learned that the liberal pacifist media will stroke your ego by agreeing with you, telling you how right you are, shouting it from the rooftops, even though they are unelected nobodies whose opinions are irrelevant to truly open-minded independent thinkers. Why can’t people see that they’re purchasing only a dream but not reality?
Just remember, “FAST, CHEAP, GOOD: PICK ANY 2”
You can have it fast and cheap, but it won’t be good. You can have it cheap and good, but it won’t be fast. Or, you can have it fast and good, but it won’t be cheap.
If you think you wait a long time at the doctor’s office now, just wait for govt. hc.
If we keep adding floors to this house of cards, it will collapse. Get over it before you give us authoritarian socialism.
Or, we could try tort reform and shop state to state for coverage first.
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tjm190
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A- If people don’t want to pay, it is not the Christian way to force them. If YOU, as a Christian, feel the current level of giving isn’t enough than do more.
B- The MARKET sets the prices of health care- just like high oil prices doesn’t mean evil oil companies, high health care prices don’t mean evil health care providers.
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GodLovesTheSpek
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If the people fail to be charitable, pray for more charity. Wonder why people aren’t charitable enough – they’ve forgotten how to be charitable! “Let the government do it” is the typical response. If the charity organizations don’t have what’s needed to provide proper assistance they had better start buying planes, heavy equipment, tools, material, medical supplies, fuel and food. Keep the government out of it.
Wondering about The US Constitution? The Constitution indicates “promote the General Welfare” or “provide for the common Defence and the general Welfare”. Promote and Provide do not mean own.
The same goes for healthcare also. Keep the government out of it. If people are suffering because of poor health or lack of proper nutrition, at judgment day God isn’t going to ask if the government helped, he’s going to ask if the person helped. What did the the person do to be more Christ-like? People not doing enough? Pray for more charity!
Can it be imagined that if one stood before God and He asked if one was charitable, the response was “I paid my taxes”. I don’t know about anyone else, but if that was my response I’d be hanging my head in shame. Thanks be to God that won’t be my response.
Charity is a virtue not a tax. Why undermine virtue? Even better: Who wants to undermine virtue - Satan, the Liar, the Deceiver, that’s who.
Paying taxes is rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.
Personal charity is rendering unto God that which is God’s.
Wondering about The US Constitution? The Constitution indicates “promote the General Welfare” or “provide for the common Defence and the general Welfare”. Promote and Provide do not mean own.
The same goes for healthcare also. Keep the government out of it. If people are suffering because of poor health or lack of proper nutrition, at judgment day God isn’t going to ask if the government helped, he’s going to ask if the person helped. What did the the person do to be more Christ-like? People not doing enough? Pray for more charity!
Can it be imagined that if one stood before God and He asked if one was charitable, the response was “I paid my taxes”. I don’t know about anyone else, but if that was my response I’d be hanging my head in shame. Thanks be to God that won’t be my response.
Charity is a virtue not a tax. Why undermine virtue? Even better: Who wants to undermine virtue - Satan, the Liar, the Deceiver, that’s who.
Paying taxes is rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.
Personal charity is rendering unto God that which is God’s.
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wabrams
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Name one thing the government does better than the private sector.
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NotWorthy
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Make that, “Name one thing, other than waging a war, does the government do better than the private sector”.
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Sorry to GodLovestheSpek, I answered to your reply and somehow mine came out in the middle of yours and printed as if I had written the whole thing. Anyhow, I wanted to reply this to your great response.
Agree with you 100%!!! And when we are removed from being directly involved in charitable giving by letting the govt do it, which is much less effective than the private sector, we also lose the ability to attain the graces we receive when doing something charitable. I dont’ believe you receive graces by paying your taxes, but you do when you are helping the poor, sick, those in jail, etc. There is a reason why there is nothing in the Bible where Jesus is asking the Roman govt to help the poor. He does it directly. And he wants us to also.
Agree with you 100%!!! And when we are removed from being directly involved in charitable giving by letting the govt do it, which is much less effective than the private sector, we also lose the ability to attain the graces we receive when doing something charitable. I dont’ believe you receive graces by paying your taxes, but you do when you are helping the poor, sick, those in jail, etc. There is a reason why there is nothing in the Bible where Jesus is asking the Roman govt to help the poor. He does it directly. And he wants us to also.
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NotWorthy
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No, Aspa is half correct. The middle class is in danger of disappearing. But its the policies by our beloved government and people who think like Aspa who are causing the shrinking of the middle class.
And yes, class warfare such as that which Aspa is promoting, is very dangerous for an open society.
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markbrumbaugh
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I just want to say that the number of smart people on this forum, on this topic, has renewed my faith in the faithful. Last month, the congregation applauded a sermon from the USCCB where we were told that if we had health insurance we were stealing, and in the Prayers of the Faithful, we had to pray for Health Care Reform and Immigration Reform.
I complained to the pastor and got an earful of condescending vitriole.
I’m afraid the issue is complicated. Liberalism is a learning disability like dyslexia. The affected can only abide by hysterical rhetoric based on first order “feelings”. They are unable to assimilate logic, history, the country’s founding principles to use reason to come up with solutions. That is why they never can change their minds and why you will never win an argument. When the logic gets too massive to ignore, then you will be called a name.
Just like any other learning disability, they are good people and can’t help what challenges they have to face. Nevertheless it is up to the rest of us to stop their misguided good intentions from ruining the country for our (and their) offspring.
I complained to the pastor and got an earful of condescending vitriole.
I’m afraid the issue is complicated. Liberalism is a learning disability like dyslexia. The affected can only abide by hysterical rhetoric based on first order “feelings”. They are unable to assimilate logic, history, the country’s founding principles to use reason to come up with solutions. That is why they never can change their minds and why you will never win an argument. When the logic gets too massive to ignore, then you will be called a name.
Just like any other learning disability, they are good people and can’t help what challenges they have to face. Nevertheless it is up to the rest of us to stop their misguided good intentions from ruining the country for our (and their) offspring.
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markbrumbaugh
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I agree. They can make charitable contributions a 100% tax credit.
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ComputerGeek25
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I would much rather give my money to an organization that is more in line with my beliefs and has a track record of efficiency.
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markbrumbaugh
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Are you agreeing with me?
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wabrams
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Wonder how many of those Bishops declined their health benefits?
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aspawloski4th
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Ok know it allWow! I didn’t know you were that adept at judging others! At least Jesus says He will wait til I’m dead to judge me. And I’m really more concerned with how He judges me than you.
What I do with my money and how I help the poor are really none of your business. But show me where in the Gospels does Jesus say that “Give to Rome so they can take care of your poor and needy for you”? I am to give to Rome what is Rome’s.
Name me one governemnt in Jesus’s time that had a welfare program of ny kind. That type of logic you are using could be used to justify legalized abortion, because after all Jesus never said a thing against abortion. Remember BIBLE stands for BASIC information before leaving earth, not ALL information before leaving earth. I never thought I’d have to tell that to a Catholic.
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markbrumbaugh
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Greed is good. Would you rather all human nature decide to sit on their cans and not work. I’m pretty sure that God would rather me work my butt off to make value to society. If I am compensated for it, that is appropriate. If I do not take into account that God expects me to share, be merciful and charitable, then I will pay the price.
But if you abolish and demonize the spririt of human nature to persevere in their own self interests, then what would the world look like? To denounce human nature, which has driven our standard of living well beyond anything contemplated 2000 years ago is simply to ignore the dignity of man.
I am SICK of hearing that Greed is the problem. The problem is non-participants of society claiming that life isn’t fair and the Govt should take the greedy persons wealth and GIVE it to them for votes.
There are of course exceptions, but I suspect that calling profitable companies greedy is non-productive in general.
Do you want all companies to lose money?
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markbrumbaugh
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Well name me one verse of scripture where Jesus said that if we had welfare programs, we would all be saved. I seem to recall he was pretty specific about distinguishing between Ceasars and God’s.Ok know it all
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