Why Am I for nationa healthcare?

[CDNowak]

We are so worried about a null and void constitution over basic human dignity it makes me sick.

"Man for All Seasons:

And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?

We need healthcare reform yesterday. We need to get something through imediately. We can perfect it later. No matter what plan would get passed and go through, you know will be tweeked in the coming years, thats the time to perfect it. If we are going to wait for the perfect plan before pssing it, everyone around now will be dead before it happens, if it happens.

There is nothing stopping incremental reform. Heck, you would have bipartisan support for many small changes that would have a bigger impact than the current plan. However, from experience, we know that once a government mandate or entitlement has passed, it doesn’t improve, it just grows. So we cannot just pass the current plan on those grounds (besides the fact that it immorally allows the redirection of taxpayer money to fund murder), hoping to fix it later.

Incremental reform is the way to handle any large project, such as this, because it allows course correction. Apply the anti-trust laws to medial insurance, look at ways to reduce the dependence on insurance (the real issue), tort reform, etc.

I don’t think we can easily fix the problem created by insurance (not just the companies, government insurance also drives up the cost of health care, perhaps more so: see Medicare). Certainly not by passing a massive government mandate feeding the insurance nightmare.

 

[carlamoo]

Or everyone is tired of your same old arguement: business bad, rich people evil, inept government taking over more of the country good; gimme gimme gimme.

BTW, what you failed to grasp is that in a country w/ socialized medicine, the fellow in that article would have had to wait for care and would probably have died waiting. You can’t had millions more to a system already short of docs and expect cost to go down or there to be no waits.

Ah, I concur most heartily. Capitalism is not evil. It is only what each individual make of it. Socialism is not a re-distribution of wealth, but it makes EVERYONE poorer. humph. equality in poverty.

Also if you did any research at all, you would know that that Canadians, who have socialized medicine, suffer greatly as a result, and the only was you can get treatment where you want it, when you want it, is if you are rich.

Next time you buy an item, lets say a book, look on the back of the book jacket. You will find two prices. The price of the book in Canada, and the U.S. price. The Canadian price is always substantially higher. Now, why do you think that is? Because of the taxes that are needed for a health care system that has been an epic fail since its implementation.

Its a snowball effect.

 

[NotWorthy]

Next time you buy an item, lets say a book, look on the back of the book jacket. You will find two prices. The price of the book in Canada, and the U.S. price. The Canadian price is always substantially higher. Now, why do you think that is? Because of the taxes that are needed for a health care system that has been an epic fail since its implementation.

Its a snowball effect.

Uh… that wouldn’t have anything to do with the exchange rate?

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Well, I don’t listen to him very often anymore; been at least 3 years since I listened to him regularly. Doesn’t matter is Rush says it or Alan Colmes says it, they both have rightly dismissed looney-toon conspiracies like you subscribe to about one world goverments, SKull and Bones society, etc. Now that the core of what you truly believe has *finally *come out, how can anyone take you seriously?

As you said earlier… “Or everyone is tired of your same old arguement: business bad, rich people evil, inept government taking over more of the country good; gimme gimme gimme.”

Anyone who works from that faulty premise, I can’t take seriously.

 

[seekerz]

I was hungry and YOU fed me, thirsty and YOU gave me a drink; I was a stranger and YOU received me in your homes,36 naked and YOU clothed me; I was sick and YOU took care of me, in prison and YOU visited me. That YOU is not the government. YOU are supposed to be involved directly in taking care of the poor, not the govt.

That would be fine if the proportion of Christians who actually live their faith bore some vague relationship to the percentage of poor needing assistance. For some who profess Christianity poverty is a malaise of the lazy, charitable donations are a synonym for tax break and appropriate disaster response consists of donating used, discolored underwear!

 

[pathia]

Also if you did any research at all, you would know that that Canadians, who have socialized medicine, suffer greatly as a result, and the only was you can get treatment where you want it, when you want it, is if you are rich. .

As far as my own experience, only the rich can get insurance in the US as well. I’ve never gotten a quote that was less than 75% of my takehome pay.

 

[cynic]

You clearly don’t understand the economics of running a business. First, businesses must pay prevailing wages to attract the employees they need. Those wages are determined by the market based on the value an employee brings to the business. Individuals need to take responsibility for increasing their value through knowledge, experience, and hard work.

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And what of the people left doing the low-paying (yet neccessary) work? They don’t deserve to be able to afford insurance, right? Survival of the fittest…

 

[tjm190]

Uh… that wouldn’t have anything to do with the exchange rate?

Actually, their dollar was beating our for quite some time. A Canadian dollar is 96 cents or so I believe.

 

[tjm190]

And what of the people left doing the low-paying (yet neccessary) work? They don’t deserve to be able to afford insurance, right? Survival of the fittest…

Their isn’t enough health care for everyone- either the government can allot itself the power to decide who gets care, or they could actually try to solve the problem by increasing incentives to lead healthier life styles/increase the incentive to become a health care provider.

 

[pathia]

Their isn’t enough health care for everyone- either the government can allot itself the power to decide who gets care, or they could actually try to solve the problem by increasing incentives to lead healthier life styles/increase the incentive to become a health care provider.

Some people are born sick. No matter how healthy a life they live, they will be sick, period.

 

[seekerz]

Their isn’t enough health care for everyone- either the government can allot itself the power to decide who gets care, or they could actually try to solve the problem by increasing incentives to lead healthier life styles/increase the incentive to become a health care provider.

Those are not solutions that can be implemented overnight and in any case, health maintenance still requires that people who are healthy get monitored/screened for potential common ailments.

The immediate solutions would be for all of us (not just politicians) to be willing to compromise and make certain sacrifices that will allow the needs of everyone to be met.

Sometimes we don’t know how selfish we sound. I heard and elderly woman basically say that the elderly were sent to the back of the line when the H1N1 shot was in short supply. If this woman had really thought about the matter before speaking, she would have realized that she (the one at less risk) was complaining about having to sacrifice so that kids and mother’s carrying babies (the ones at most risk from swine flu) could get protection. Unbelievable!

 

[aspawloski4th]

Well, I don’t listen to him very often anymore; been at least 3 years since I listened to him regularly. Doesn’t matter is Rush says it or Alan Colmes says it, they both have rightly dismissed looney-toon conspiracies like you subscribe to about one world goverments, SKull and Bones society, etc. Now that the core of what you truly believe has *finally *come out, how can anyone take you seriously?

More people believe than you think. The evidense is all over. Yes even the Catholic church is aware of some of it. The Catholic church hasnt banned its members from being Masons since 1842 for no reason. New world order is even printed in Latin on the back of our dollar bill. Remember many thought Noah was crazy when he was building the ark.

 

[aspawloski4th]

As you said earlier… “Or everyone is tired of your same old arguement: business bad, rich people evil, inept government taking over more of the country good; gimme gimme gimme.”

Anyone who works from that faulty premise, I can’t take seriously.

Faulty is obviously in the eye of the beholder. I don’t see as faulty.

 

[tjm190]

Those are not solutions that can be implemented overnight and in any case, health maintenance still requires that people who are healthy get monitored/screened for potential common ailments.

The immediate solutions would be for all of us (not just politicians) to be willing to compromise and make certain sacrifices that will allow the needs of everyone to be met.

Sometimes we don’t know how selfish we sound. I heard and elderly woman basically say that the elderly were sent to the back of the line when the H1N1 shot was in short supply. If this woman had really thought about the matter before speaking, she would have realized that she (the one at less risk) was complaining about having to sacrifice so that kids and mother’s carrying babies (the ones at most risk from swine flu) could get protection. Unbelievable!

The current legislation isn’t a solution at all, it’s a power grab. Some people simply can’t get into the health care system- we don’t have enough health care to go around. Uncle Sam just wants to decide who lives and who dies.

 

[aspawloski4th]

The current legislation isn’t a solution at all, it’s a power grab. Some people simply can’t get into the health care system- we don’t have enough health care to go around. Uncle Sam just wants to decide who lives and who dies.

You keep saying there isn’t enough health care to go around, where is the proof? Since you seem to think healthcare is so unimportant maybe you want to give up your’s.

 

[NotWorthy]

You keep saying there isn’t enough health care to go around, where is the proof? Since you seem to think healthcare is so unimportant maybe you want to give up your’s.

I would think he means there isn’t enough money to go around to provide the healthcare. You will bankrupt the system and leave our future generations with a debt that they can never pay. We are already in debt to our ears to the Chinese. There will be a day of reckoning for that, even if healthcare doesn’t pass.

Aspaw, let me ask you. Why has public sentiment turned against the healthcare bill? I’d like your opinion on this, if you have one.

 

[aspawloski4th]

I would think he means there isn’t enough money to go around to provide the healthcare. You will bankrupt the system and leave our future generations with a debt that they can never pay. We are already in debt to our ears to the Chinese. There will be a day of reckoning for that, even if healthcare doesn’t pass.

Aspaw, let me ask you. Why has public sentiment turned against the healthcare bill? I’d like your opinion on this, if you have one.

Why? I think there more than one proponet to it. First Poeple hear over and over about rationing of healcare, which is already going on. Second its one of those things that is in trouble that one doesn’t notice being in trouble till they have to use it themselves, and the good old herd mentality( my neighbor is against it so I’ll be too). Americans don’t seevery well past their front door step, they are mired in their own world for the most part.

 

[NotWorthy]

Why? I think there more than one proponet to it. First Poeple hear over and over about rationing of healcare, which is already going on. Second its one of those things that is in trouble that one doesn’t notice being in trouble till they have to use it themselves, and the good old herd mentality( my neighbor is against it so I’ll be too). Americans don’t seevery well past their front door step, they are mired in their own world for the most part.

… but the herd mentality would seem to steer the public opinion for health-care reform. When it first came to the national forefront, public opinion was FOR health-care reform and the network newsgroups were DEFINITELY for health-care reform.

It seems that the Tea Party movement began to shift public opinion away from reform. Do you agree with this? And what is your opinion of the Tea Partiers? Pelosi compares them with Nazis…

 

[seekerz]

Some people simply can’t get into the health care system- we don’t have enough health care to go around.

Not enough to go around? What a strange and barbaric concept at our present level of civilization! Just what does it have to do with the Christian obligation to care for the least of these?..Is death really so scary to us that we would resort to survival of the fittest?

 

[seekerz]

I would think he means there isn’t enough money to go around to provide the healthcare. You will bankrupt the system and leave our future generations with a debt that they can never pay. We are already in debt to our ears to the Chinese. There will be a day of reckoning for that, even if healthcare doesn’t pass.

Aspaw, let me ask you. Why has public sentiment turned against the healthcare bill? I’d like your opinion on this, if you have one.

Public sentiment blows with the wind, especially when that sentiment is grounded in shallowness and refusal to see beyond the end of one’s nose. One way or another, through legislation or otherwise, health care is going to undergo drastic reform pretty soon. Hopefully it won’t be forced reform similar to the recent foreclosure crisis but hey, why cross that bridge before we get to it?