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I’m glad this thread died on the vine. It was not making sense. However I have to answer one personal insult, one non-sequitor and one comment about my citation style - even if its 2 months after the fact.
“Current form of government” is not “the state” in the sense Southern Cross attempts to use it. Southern Cross attempts to distinguish “the state” from “the state as we know it.” That a government is less than perfectly ethical is oxymoronic. ALL human institutions are imperfect - as are the humans who use them. This doesn’t support a claim that since an existing government is flawed that somehow “the state” is not needed.
Southern Cross asks why I quoted the rest of the section which Southern Cross uses - ineffectively - to attempt to rebut me. I can only answer that when I quote CCC I try to give the whole paragraph. It lessens the cries of “out of context”.
What “box” am I thinking in when I affirm that “the state” exists and the Church tells us its part of our nature? Southern Cross’ use of this phrase is insulting. I would ask them not to debate in those terms. Tell us clearly what part of “the state” is good and what is bad. Don’t tell me I am thinking unclearly to make your point. This doesn’t.
“Current form of government” is not “the state” in the sense Southern Cross attempts to use it. Southern Cross attempts to distinguish “the state” from “the state as we know it.” That a government is less than perfectly ethical is oxymoronic. ALL human institutions are imperfect - as are the humans who use them. This doesn’t support a claim that since an existing government is flawed that somehow “the state” is not needed.
Southern Cross asks why I quoted the rest of the section which Southern Cross uses - ineffectively - to attempt to rebut me. I can only answer that when I quote CCC I try to give the whole paragraph. It lessens the cries of “out of context”.