Why Anglican Use instead of creating an Anglican Catholic Church in Communion with Rome?

[PazzoGrande]

Except for the issue of invalid Apostolic Succession, aren’t Anglicans who swim the Tiber in large groups (like whole parishes and bishops) no different from Orthodox factions that return to Rome? Easterners didn’t have their own Rites introduced within the Latin Church but got their own Eastern Catholic Churches instead. Why isn’t it the same with the Anglicans who become Catholics? How come there just isn’t a new Western Catholic Church created for them instead of having them integrated with the Latin Church?

Is this a possibility for the future? If not, why not?

It’s interested to see why and how the Church diffrentiates cases like this. If the Anglicans retained Apostolic Succession, would we think of them as more akin to the Orthodox than the protestants?

 

[BellsSmells]

Except for the issue of invalid Apostolic Succession, aren’t Anglicans who swim the Tiber in large groups (like whole parishes and bishops) no different from Orthodox factions that return to Rome? Easterners didn’t have their own Rites introduced within the Latin Church but got their own Eastern Catholic Churches instead. Why isn’t it the same with the Anglicans who become Catholics? How come there just isn’t a new Western Catholic Church created for them instead of having them integrated with the Latin Church?

Is this a possibility for the future? If not, why not?

It’s interested to see why and how the Church diffrentiates cases like this. If the Anglicans retained Apostolic Succession, would we think of them as more akin to the Orthodox than the protestants?

Because historically they were Latin Rite Catholics before all the silliness began. The Latin Rite IS their tradition. Visit an Episcopal parish like Smokey Mary’s in NYC they still chant in Latin. They would be cleaved from their very heritage if an Anglican sui juris church was created.

 

[TrueLight]

Because historically they were Latin Rite Catholics before all the silliness began. The Latin Rite IS their tradition. Visit an Episcopal parish like Smokey Mary’s in NYC they still chant in Latin. They would be cleaved from their very heritage if an Anglican sui juris church was created.

Ha ha. I heard someone use the “Smokey Mary” name before.

On the Feast of the Assumption, I was desperately looking for a high mass.

I found The Church of Saint Mary on the internet and it said they were having a Solemn mass. I was thrilled. I thought it was a Catholic church. So I called and asked if the mass would be in Latin. I asked if it was in the Extraordinary form.

So the person who picked up the phone said, “You realize this isn’t a Catholic church right? Don’t worry. You won’t be able to tell the difference”. Ha ha.

Anyway, I didn’t go.

But I have wondered about a similar question. Why weren’t the Eastern churches given a rite? Your answer makes perfect sense though. The Anglican Use is obviously a latin rite.

 

[Chatter163]

But I have wondered about a similar question. Why weren’t the Eastern churches given a rite?

They are a separate rite. They were not “given” one in the sense that such rites had to be developed (as is the case with the AU); they merely continued to use their rites in communion with the Holy Father. But they are indeed rites.

Except for the issue of invalid Apostolic Succession…

This is not a minor issue. This is what makes their situation quite different.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Its not the Latin model to create separate sui juris Churches. Although I sometimes ask, isn’t an Ordinariate essentially the same thing? A rose by another name?

The Byzantine model has always been to grant autonomous jurisdiction to other kingdoms or political areas so as not to create a rift between the Bishops and the Emperor/King/whatever.

Even though the Anglican Church came from the Latin Church, its easy to create their own sui juris is the Church wants to. But thats not how the Latin Church does things.

 

[Matthew_Holford]

Its not the Latin model to create separate sui juris Churches. Although I sometimes ask, isn’t an Ordinariate essentially the same thing? A rose by another name?

No, it’s not a rose by another name. We have one now here in England. I believe Canada and US don’t yet have an ordinariate. They’re not like a sui iuris church they’re more like a diocese. I suppose they’re more like a military ordinariate: a sort of personal, rather than territorial, type of diocese.