Why are almost Protestant countries richer than Catholic countries

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Hi!

Your argument prompted the question.

…and yes any point can be argue into infinity–actually, limited infinity as we are finite and even if others take the cause after our demise it will cease being the same elemental cause.

Facts remain: wanted to get rid of the wife; used his military power to procure the new wife; oppressed the body which he himself had just defended (betrayal); died without having a male heir (some would cite this as proof that his ill-gains did not allow him to capitalize on it on that psych level); none of his descendant had a male heir; only through the murder of yet another Catholic person was there a male heir on the seat of the English crown (born of a Catholic–who was murdered because she was Catholic and was the next in line to wear the English crown)…

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi!

The king did not severed ties only–that would be akin to closing a diplomatic office and sending the diplomats packing.

The king went old school… eradicating everything Catholic so that he could own the world (be under his own authority, not God’s).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
The Catholic faith had the most appeal among the poorest of the poor.

These folks did not value education very much.

If you are going to prosper materially, you need a very good education.
 
😃 this made me chuckle.

The top ten wealthiest countries by GDP per capita are:
  1. Qatar - Muslim 95%
  2. Luxembourg - Catholic 87%
  3. Macao - Buddhist 50%
  4. Singapore - Buddhist 42.5%
  5. Brunei - Muslim 67%
  6. Kuwait - Muslim 85%
  7. Ireland - Catholic 88%
  8. Norway - Protestant 87%
  9. UAE - Muslim 96%
  10. San Marino - Catholic (unknown percent)
The countries you listed are:
13) America - Protestant 52% (Catholic 24%)
15) Nordic Europe (Netherlands?) - Catholic 31%
29) Finland - Lutheran 82%
not in top 30) South Korea - No affiliation 46%

So first, the countries listed are not the wealthiest by GDP per capita at all. Second, the list above shows almost no causation by religion. It appears to be more about geographical location and resource access than anything else. If it were about religious affiliation, the real discussion should be whether or not Muslims have it right, since their oil rich nations tend to dominate the GDP per capita calculation. Fortunately, GDP per capita is not a good measure of the truth of a religious belief by the members therein.

Sources:
Wealthiest nations: Ranking of 30 Richest Countries Looking at GDP Per Capita
Dominant Religion by Nation: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Religion/Religions/All
 
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Hi, Monte!

…did not value education very much?

…are you aware that in them times even monarchs employed educated people to run their business–very few of them sought to learn past their signature; it was not considered necessary.

As time progressed the poor were marginalized because of two specific reasons: a) commoners cannot be allowed to equal the elite, and b) a work day often meant more than twelve hours of back-breaking labor plus the daily routine at home… then there was the issue of financial means to afford tutors and travel to a school that would accept them).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
1ke said:
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So basically, you are saying that the Church proved to be a useful political ally, until it threatened the king and his successor’s authority, so the king severed ties… 😉
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Who me? No I’m not saying that at all. Henry was a serious theologian, as well as a statesman.
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Yes, but Henry was also being influenced by his soon to be future wife, who was protestant. She was the nanny and influencing Henry in Protestant theology
 
Russia has 7 time zones of resources and China has become very good at getting resources from abroad.
 
That analysis is too linear. What drives the economy of 1,6,8,9 is oil, purchased mainly by areas of the globe with free and open market systems that have more or less good incentives to work. Resources aren’t much if no one can afford them, which drives down demand, price and subsequently wealth.

Ireland has been booming lately because its corporate tax rate is the lowest in the EU.

The USA has a lower GDP due to factors such as population size and the ridiculous War on Poverty where people are not incentivized to work. Not the case so much in these countries.
 
The “nice” thing about energy use … regardless of if it is oil or wind or coal or nuclear or hydro … is that it makes it easier to get water to drink and easier to travel long distances [or short distances].

Not to mention being able to heat our houses in winter … or cool them in summer.

What a wonderful innovation when someone cobbled up a steam engine to a railroad.

Lately, I have been subscribing to railroad magazines and my dream project is to visit all the steam engine museums in the USA. Lots of restoration projects underway.
 
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There seems to be a radical lack of interest in education.

Math, particularly.

Folks just want nothing to do with it.
 
Hi, Monte!

I find it interesting that in the US so many loath education while in many poor nations the poor have no easy access to it or life is so hard that they must choose between sending their children to school or to gather enough food for the day.

I think that oppression (need) causes man to think beyond his belly and material gain. It is as though our spirit awakens to the need of spiritual nourishment to sustain us even in the most deplorable conditions.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
There is something in this I think.
There is a very individualistic, mercantile attitude in early Protestantism that has much more in common with capitalism than Catholicism.
 
I wonder if it’s because in the USA, we have Agricultural and Mechanical colleges.

Like Texas A&M.

Every state, I think, has one.

[I don’t know if Puerto Rico has one.]

In Latin American cultures/ countries, people want to be lawyers … not engineers and scientists and mechanics.
 
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There is a very individualistic, mercantile attitude in early Protestantism that has much more in common with capitalism than Catholicism.
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I’m not sure I would agree. The assembly line was invented in Italy. Until trade shifted to the Atlantic, Italian banking dominated all of Europe. Italians invented insurance, and insured vessels and cargo from all over the Mediterranean. Bills of Lading, terms of liability, letters of credit, and transfer of title; all were Italian before they were anywhere else in Europe. The Hanseatic league was Catholic and conducted trade all over Europe in a sort of “EU” centuries before the EU.
 
Depends on what you mean by loathe education.

A lot of education is indoctrination.
 
MonteRCMS said:
I wonder if it’s because in the USA, we have Agricultural and Mechanical colleges.

Like Texas A&M.

Every state, I think, has one.

[I don’t know if Puerto Rico has one.]

In Latin American cultures/ countries, people want to be lawyers … not engineers and scientists and mechanics.
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This is interesting, and there apparently is truth to it. I had a friend who was in the Peace Corps. He had a degree in engineering, and his assignment was to teach engineering in a university in Venezuela. He told me the students had little interest in actual engineering because engineering conferred no “dignidad”; the “respect” enjoyed by government functionaries, judges and lawyers. But because one got a big desk if one advanced in the oil industry, one had “dignidad” as an executive, not as an engineer. And so, his students all wanted to be executives, not actual engineers, and their application to engineering subjects demonstrated it. The engineering was all left to foreigners, usually Americans.

I had another friend who taught engineering to (before Khaddaffi) Libyan students at Rice University. Same story there. They wanted big offices, big desks and high salaries that they could get as executives if they were favored by the government. The actual engineering work was done by foreigners, mainly Americans. So they remained ignorant of engineering despite his best efforts.
 
People don’t want to visit the field to observe actual conditions.

As you say, they prefer to be the “muy grande hombre” … the executive.

They want the dignity of being the lawyer … and being addressed as a judge or the “advocate” [did I spell that right].

They want to be addressed as Don Jose. Not Joe.

[Sometimes you can’t blame them … when we walked down a dry river bed … fortunately no flash flood occurred … but the local people suddenly dematerialized … disappeared … vanished … when they noticed some green flies on a cow flop … (they were tse-tse flies.) Yes, you could die.]

Someone who is “estimado” would not subject himself to those conditions.
 
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