Why are atheists so unhappy?

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But there are other evolutionary arrguments as to why the holocaust was right.
You misunderstood me. There are evolutionary arguments why humans feel or think that homicide is wrong, homicide itself is not judged by evolution but by us.
It is a mistake to conclude from natural phenomena to moral commandments, called “naturalistic fallacy” (by the philosopher G.E. Moore). I suggest you google that term, then I don’t have to write pages of postings. 😉
 
Josie your question could be answered by a smart 12 year old. I just don’t see why i should have to spoon feed you basic science. What is the point? If you don’t have an understanding of the most basic elements of science, then what will you be like once we reach the intermediate.

This tells me everything i need to know about you. You are happy with the answer “god did it” because is saves you having to educate yourself to even the most fundamental level. It saves you having to actually THINK! What you don’t even realise is “god did it” answers NOTHING. “God did it” is the exact same answer as “i don’t know”. How did god do it??

The sad thing about this is, that question COULD be answered by a smart 12 year old. Yet because im tired of spoon feeding the scientifically illiterate you are happy to bask in your ignorance, foolishly believing you have the answer “god did it!”. Well heres my question to you “HOW DID god do it?”
I agree with you. I’m a Christian theist and my presupposition is that “God did it” but as I’ve no idea how God did it it’s just the same as saying, “I don’t know.”

Cordially,
Mick
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Why look at dictatorships, when this is clearly not a relevant comparison? Why not look at modern democratic atheist countries like Sweden, or Japan? I think i know that answer to that 😉
The story is not over yet! Let us wait and see (for another 30 years at least) to see what happens to Sweden with its lauded atheist democratic government before you applaud its “success.” 😉

Japan is now atheistic? I don’t think it can be concluded that Japan is more atheistic than pagan.
 
If they’re so happy, then why do they keep harping on them so monotonously? I would never spoil my present happiness by dwelling on past misfortunes.
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Philippians 3:13-14
Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

Paul should know; he persecuted Christians, repented, converted to Christianity, and then became one of our most beloved saints.
 
Well firstly my beliefs regarding my origins have NOTHING to do with my lack of believe in a god.

I accept Evolution due to the overwhelming evidence. I also accept Abiogenesis, though the details are no where near as detailed as the likes of evolution. Abiogenesis and Evolution have very little to do with randomness, and only a person ignorant of the those theories could suggest as much. IMO it stands to reason that someone who shows that level of ignorace has no right to comment on a theory as they clearly know nothing about the subject.
Christians: Learn more about the theory of abiogenesis at:
trueorigin.org/abio.asp

The beginning “spark including both matter and energy” or whatever you wish to call it, that allegedly started the “process” of either “evolution” and/or “abiogenesis” did not and could not possibly create “itself” out of “nothing.”

Someone had to make this first substance of “matter and energy” in order for life to be created. It did not create itself. God had to create the necessary elements first in order for the Big Bang to possibly happen. Matter cannot create itself. Energy cannot create itself. Conscience cannot create itself.
 
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If this be true, then where did the common term “mad scientist” came from?
From literary works of the 19th century by people who were afraid of science. It came about because of the perceived conflict between science and religion of the time. Basically it scared people so they demonized it and it made for good story telling like Frankenstein.
 
Josie your question could be answered by a smart 12 year old. I just don’t see why i should have to spoon feed you basic science. What is the point? If you don’t have an understanding of the most basic elements of science, then what will you be like once we reach the intermediate.

This tells me everything i need to know about you. You are happy with the answer “god did it” because is saves you having to educate yourself to even the most fundamental level. It saves you having to actually THINK! What you don’t even realise is “god did it” answers NOTHING. “God did it” is the exact same answer as “i don’t know”. How did god do it??

The sad thing about this is, that question COULD be answered by a smart 12 year old. Yet because im tired of spoon feeding the scientifically illiterate you are happy to bask in your ignorance, foolishly believing you have the answer “god did it!”. Well heres my question to you “HOW DID god do it?”
I have chosen to ignore your insults in the past, but I will do so no further (I should have had you banned for calling me “insane”). You are an ignorant man in that you cannot even differentiate words like atheism and/or secularism. Furthermore, you attempt to define things in such narrow terms that you fail to see the truth that others are trying to show you. I have already stated in another thread that Atheism (and this taken from an atheist cite) is a philosophy in that it attempts to understand the world through it’s lens of observation. Therefore, how can you tell me that Atheism (your narrow view of what that means) is simply a lack of belief?

“Being an atheist is a philosophical stance. It is not enough simply to declare yourself one: That is mere dogmatism—like announcing, without further argument, that you don’t believe in free will or objective values. If you wish to be an intellectually interesting atheist, you are obliged to give some evidence for your position.”

slate.com/id/2075653/

I would think that now you can understand how silly it to state that atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief. I will also yet again ask you to respond to my question and give me a reason as to why abiogenesis is not a mere product of chance?
 
Hitler was neither a practising Christian nor a Neo-pagan. He laughed at any neo-pagan attempt esp. by Himmler. Quote: “Now we have mysticism behind, and he [Himmler] is starting all over again.” (transl. from Albert Speer, “Erinnerungen”)
There has been no offical religion in Germany since 1806, 96% of all Germans were a member of some church during the 3rd Reich (about half Catholic/half protestant), “Gott mit uns” (God with us) stood on the buckle of a German soldier, the '33 concordate between Germany and the Vatican is the only 3rd Reich contract with a foreign power still in place, and Hitler personally ordered Bormann and Goebbels back into the Catholic church.
I really don’t know where this “Nazi-Germany was an atheist-neo-pagan-satanic state” nonsense comes from.
Hitler had an agenda all his own (world socialism and abolishment of Christianity). He used Christianity when it suited him to do so in order to enslave the Germans to his commands.

Hitler ordered the pope kidnapped. The pope did all he could to save Jews. Some historians say Pius did not speak out publicly because of what happened in Holland. There the Catholic bishops publicly condemned Hitler’s Jewish policy. The Nazis responded ferociously. Many Catholics were killed and the Jews were not helped.

military-quotes.com/forum/hitler-ordered-pope-kidnapped-t7720.html
 
The story is not over yet! Let us wait and see (for another 30 years at least) to see what happens to Sweden with its lauded atheist democratic government before you applaud its “success.” 😉

Japan is now atheistic? I don’t think it can be concluded that Japan is more atheistic than pagan.
Sweden is no more atheist (it is secular) than America is a theocracy (since more than 80% of it’s people are believers). Secular is secular and atheism is atheism, people trying to blurr the lines are simply promulgating propaganda (whether indirectly or directly). God bless.

p.s. The majority of Japanese adhere to Shintoism if I’m not mistaken.
 
Christians: Learn more about the theory of abiogenesis at:
trueorigin.org/abio.asp

The beginning “spark including both matter and energy” or whatever you wish to call it, that allegedly started the “process” of either “evolution” and/or “abiogenesis” did not and could not possibly create “itself” out of “nothing.”

Someone had to make this first substance of “matter and energy” in order for life to be created. It did not create itself. God had to create the necessary elements first in order for the Big Bang to possibly happen. Matter cannot create itself. Energy cannot create itself. Conscience cannot create itself.
Evidence please…
 
Hitler had an agenda all his own (world socialism and abolishment of Christianity). He used Christianity when it suited him to do so in order to enslave the Germans to his commands.

Hitler ordered the pope kidnapped. The pope did all he could to save Jews. Some historians say Pius did not speak out publicly because of what happened in Holland. There the Catholic bishops publicly condemned Hitler’s Jewish policy. The Nazis responded ferociously. Many Catholics were killed and the Jews were not helped.

military-quotes.com/forum/hitler-ordered-pope-kidnapped-t7720.html
And thousands of clergy were put in concentration camps. Saint Edith Stein by the way was killed as all Jewish converts to Catholicism were sent to camps due to Nazi retaliation.

p.s. If you’re interested in learning more about this, there is a book (of which I have yet to read but possess) entitled “PRIEST BLOCK 25487” A Memoir of Dachau by Jean Bernard. It was also made into an award-winning film by director Volker Schondorff, “The Ninth Day”.
 
The story is not over yet! Let us wait and see (for another 30 years at least) to see what happens to Sweden with its lauded atheist democratic government before you applaud its “success.” 😉

Japan is now atheistic? I don’t think it can be concluded that Japan is more atheistic than pagan.
Haha you can’t stand it eh? Atheists being more moral than the religous. 😛
 
I have chosen to ignore your insults in the past, but I will do so no further (I should have had you banned for calling me “insane”). You are an ignorant man in that you cannot even differentiate words like atheism and/or secularism. Furthermore, you attempt to define things in such narrow terms that you fail to see the truth that others are trying to show you. I have already stated in another thread that Atheism (and this taken from an atheist cite) is a philosophy in that it attempts to understand the world through it’s lens of observation. Therefore, how can you tell me that Atheism (your narrow view of what that means) is simply a lack of belief?

“Being an atheist is a philosophical stance. It is not enough simply to declare yourself one: That is mere dogmatism—like announcing, without further argument, that you don’t believe in free will or objective values. If you wish to be an intellectually interesting atheist, you are obliged to give some evidence for your position.”

slate.com/id/2075653/

I would think that now you can understand how silly it to state that atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief. I will also yet again ask you to respond to my question and give me a reason as to why abiogenesis is not a mere product of chance?
Because elements DONT interact randomly! Its BASIC chemistry. Any other grade school science you need to know?

I’m sorry you dont seem to be able to grasp this simple fact. But atheism = a-theism. I.E WITHOUT THEISM. That is it. I don’t accept your claim god exists, NO MORE, NO LESS.

Also i stand by calling you insane. IMO anyone that thinks a rape victim should be FORCED to marry the person that raped them is INSANE. If i get sensored for that then that tell me all i need to know about religion and the religious.
 
Haha you can’t stand it eh? Atheists being more moral than the religous. 😛
And here I thought atheists adhered to moral relativism and as such did not believe in moral absolutes like all theists believe . Pray tell, how do you know that the Atheist is being moral (if morality is subject to time, culture, and the individual)? Are you attempting to say that there are moral absolutes cause it sure sounds like you are?
 
Because elements DONT interact randomly! Its BASIC chemistry. Any other grade school science you need to know?

I’m sorry you dont seem to be able to grasp this simple fact. But atheism = a-theism. I.E WITHOUT THEISM. That is it. I don’t accept your claim god exists, NO MORE, NO LESS.

Also i stand by calling you insane. IMO anyone that thinks a rape victim should be FORCED to marry the person that raped them is INSANE. If i get sensored for that then that tell me all i need to know about religion and the religious.
I gave you a reason as to why that is the case, and you refuse to see that a woman if raped would lose all chance of getting married in such a society (this was the culture they were living in back then) and therefore cared for in her later years. The way of life back then did not hold many opportunities for a woman and so she would be forced if she could not marry to prostitute herself in order to survive that is why it was decreed that she marry the man who raped her. As awful as that may sound that was her only chance of avoiding poverty and/or prostitution.

p.s. You are for someone who is supposedly “rational” very emotionally charged and as such not a very clear thinker.
 
What do you mean leprechauns are not real I see them at least once a year on St. Paddy’s day? 😃 And many worship his pot of Gold too. 😃
Do you only see them after imbibing green beer? 😃

Remember that episode called “Hoss and the Leprechauns” on Bonanza? It was good fun. First, he shoots his gun 6 times to scare the bear away and then he shoots once more to open the lock on the strong box. A seven-shooter! I just searched and found this episode again on U-tube:

youtube.com/watch?v=6xVN8OETbIk&feature=related

Many people worship the pot of gold (or other things, even themselves) here in the USA.

It is also hard for a rich man to enter heaven since if he has two tunics, he is to give one away to a person who has none. Hyperbole, but we do get His meaning. (Matthew 19:23, Luke 3:11, Luke 12:48, 1 Timothy 6:10)

2 Timothy 3:1-5
But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
 
That not what survival of the fittest means, and evolution is a theory that explains a specific set of facts. It has nothing to do with the Holocaust.
Aren’t “theories” proposed only when some “facts” are not known?
 
From literary works of the 19th century by people who were afraid of science. It came about because of the perceived conflict between science and religion of the time. Basically it scared people so they demonized it and it made for good story telling like Frankenstein.
Some people take jokes too seriously. 🙂 I wonder why the Easter Bunny delivers colored hard-boiled chicken “eggs?” I would prefer to receive milk chocolate bunnies with truffle centers instead. 😉
 
And here I thought atheists adhered to moral relativism and as such did not believe in moral absolutes like all theists believe . Pray tell, how do you know that the Atheist is being moral (if morality is subject to time, culture, and the individual)? Are you attempting to say that there are moral absolutes cause it sure sounds like you are?
Because there is such a thing as morals, but they are not absolutes. Morals come from interaction within a society. If morals are absolute like you cliam, than why have moral progressed with time?
 
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