Why are atheists so unhappy?

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It’s kind of ironic to click on “New Posts” and see, directly underneath the title of this thread, another one (in “Prayer Intentions”) called “Very Depressed” - by a Catholic who is depressed because she believes herself to be in a state of mortal sin.

So who is it that’s unhappy, again? :rolleyes:
 
LOL i’ve always had none, and that is exactly what atheism is. Oh and you didn’t prove anything.
Hello. We have already looked into the definition of atheism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Note that since atheism in whichever sense an atheist may take is the disbelief of the existence of deities. My proof was that any universe that has a beginning cannot merit an atheist point of view. If anyone wonders what my proof is, it should be around pages 18-22.

You claimed that I have not proven anything. I see no flaws in my logic and I thoroughly present my premise. If you wish to make this claim, demonstrate to me how my logic is flaw or my premise is incorrect. Without doing either, your statement would boil down to one of unnecessary unkindness. 😦

I am a man of feelings. I am sad that I wish you the best of luck in so many posts as well as bring coherent logic and kindness in my speech I am met with such an unhappy tone.
 
Oh you accept modern genetics? Therefore you must accept evolution.
My Gosh…

You are not very well read, are you?

Catholicism does not reject evolution, nor has she ever done. What she rejects is the dismissal of God’s role in the development of the world.

Comprende?
 
I didnt say you were ignorant, i said you were ignorant of the sciences, and you clearly are.
Apart from telling me I’m “ignorant” might you be more forthcoming as to why I’m “ignorant” by giving an explanation so to make me less “ignorant”?
 
My, you clearly are one of the less sharper atheists I’ve head the displeasure of debating with. Charles Darwin, you are not…

When atheist countries refuse to define snuffing out the elderly, the disabled, baby killing and killing children up to the age of 12 year old as “murder”, then common sense dictates their murder statistics cannot be fairly compared to the murder statistics of countries which class the aforementioned crimes as “murder”.

Yet you persist in making the claim atheist country murder rates are lower.

And no, this is not just one country, but several surrounding the Netherlands area.

Comprende? Si, no?
I have already given you an example of a country that debunks that claim. Ok lets talk about Scotland specifically. It is far less religious then the USA, and has none of what you mention above. Why are the atheists in scotland more moral then the theists in the USA?
 
So you come to CAF stating you make no claims but yet engage us in conversation telling us why our God is evil, then when we attempt to explain things to you, you claim we are either ignorant or insane. When we attempt to understand your position on theism and/or deism you state there is no evidence even though evidence, the kind of which you expect, is impossible as science can neither prove nor disprove God. But if science can neither (concretely) prove nor disprove God then we must find other means by which to build a case for God, but you are not interested in anything outside of science. So we run around in circles because you deny everything we say that doesn’t vibe with your understanding of the world, but of course, all the while stating you make no claims. :rolleyes:
Science can and has disproved many of the myths in the bible…
 
It’s kind of ironic to click on “New Posts” and see, directly underneath the title of this thread, another one (in “Prayer Intentions”) called “Very Depressed” - by a Catholic who is depressed because she believes herself to be in a state of mortal sin.

So who is it that’s unhappy, again? :rolleyes:
And your point being that an atheist is happy because they don’t care if they’re in mortal sin? :rolleyes:
 
Apart from telling me I’m “ignorant” might you be more forthcoming as to why I’m “ignorant” by giving an explanation so to make me less “ignorant”?
Becuase you make claims that show you don’t understand or have knowledge of even the most basic science.
 
And your point being that an atheist is happy because they don’t care if they’re in mortal sin? :rolleyes:
No. My point is it’s ridiculous to assume that atheists are unhappy (or in “mortal sin”) just because they’re atheists.

Just as it’s ridiculous for atheists to assume theists are stupid (as many of them on the Internet seem to do) just because they’re theists.

Everybody believes, or disbelieves, for their own reasons. Stop trying to put everyone into a neat little box. Very few people are going to fit comfortably.
 
Becuase you make claims that show you don’t understand or have knowledge of even the most basic science.
Again do you think you can be a bit forthcoming about what I’m ignorant as regarding the statements I quoted on science?
 
My Gosh…

You are not very well read, are you?

Catholicism does not reject evolution, nor has she ever done. What she rejects is the dismissal of God’s role in the development of the world.

Comprende?
Well just a few post ago you stated you didn’t know if you believed in adam and eve, and MANY on this board do. If you believe in adam and eve then you do not believe in evolution.
 
We can observe [morals] them in animals.
This is an anthropomorphic comment. Whether animals have morals or not, it is invalid to state definitively that they do without having proof. If a non-human animal can attest and demonstrate that animals have morals, then this statement can have merit. Else it is a subjective and anthropomorphic view that cannot be stated as fact. This is similarly to saying my books are respectful of each other. They do not eat each other nor fight. This is simply anthropomorphism. While one can say they cannot do this because they cannot perform such actions. How can one know animals have the faculties of morals. Unless scientific evidence accrue from animals themselves claiming they have morals, this is not a fact. (There is the possibility of animals becoming human and making this claim; however, I do not believe the author of this claim is one such being.)
Charles Darwin:
Oh you accept modern genetics? Therefore you must accept evolution.
While it is true that the Church regards evolution as a field of science and is not necessary opposed or in support of Catholicism, I must point out that this quoted claim is also false. Simply accepting one (genetics) does not necessary preclude, include, or define the other (evolution). Earlier, this poster stated that he is both agnostic and atheist (which we have already shown he cannot be truly atheist given his statements regarding concepts of absolutes, between pages 16-20). He has clearly shown that two different concepts can coexists. While they have overlapping philosophies, one does not necessarily preclude, include, or define the other. This is the same for genetics and evolution. Evolution has been describe in non genetic terms very easily. Genetics can be understood independent of evolution as well. The confusion this poster may have as well as many modern people is that samples of genetics between species aid in the description of the evolution trees within the hierarchy the species are categorized. However, this does not imply the other as I have already shown.
 
No. My point is it’s ridiculous to assume that atheists are unhappy (or in “mortal sin”) just because they’re atheists.

Just as it’s ridiculous for atheists to assume theists are stupid (as many of them on the Internet seem to do) just because they’re theists.

Everybody believes, or disbelieves, for their own reasons. Stop trying to put everyone into a neat little box. Very few people are going to fit comfortably.
A Catholic being depressed because she believes she has committed a mortal sin is to be expected (as it shows she has a conscience) and therefore is irrelevant to the thread. That is why I wrote what I did (as I assume atheists can become depressed too if they commit mortal sin) as I don’t think it was a good example of what you were trying to delineate. What you’ve written above however makes a lot more sense.
 
This is an anthropomorphic comment. Whether animals have morals or not, it is invalid to state definitively that they do without having proof. If a non-human animal can attest and demonstrate that animals have morals, then this statement can have merit. Else it is a subjective and anthropomorphic view that cannot be stated as fact. This is similarly to saying my books are respectful of each other. They do not eat each other nor fight. This is simply anthropomorphism. While one can say they cannot do this because they cannot perform such actions. How can one know animals have the faculties of morals. Unless scientific evidence accrue from animals themselves claiming they have morals, this is not a fact. (There is the possibility of animals becoming human and making this claim; however, I do not believe the author of this claim is one such being.)

While it is true that the Church regards evolution as a field of science and is not necessary opposed or in support of Catholicism, I must point out that this quoted claim is also false. Simply accepting one (genetics) does not necessary preclude, include, or define the other (evolution). Earlier, this poster stated that he is both agnostic and atheist (which we have already shown he cannot be truly atheist given his statements regarding concepts of absolutes, between pages 16-20). He has clearly shown that two different concepts can coexists. While they have overlapping philosophies, one does not necessarily preclude, include, or define the other. This is the same for genetics and evolution. Evolution has been describe in non genetic terms very easily. Genetics can be understood independent of evolution as well. The confusion this poster may have as well as many modern people is that samples of genetics between species aid in the description of the evolution trees within the hierarchy the species are categorized. However, this does not imply the other as I have already shown.
I can hardly be bothered wasting my time replying to such nonsense.

We can observe animals acting in a manner that we would consider to be moral.

Atheist and agnositc are no exclusive terms. One deals with the lack of belief the other deals with the lack of knowledge.
 
Well just a few post ago you stated you didn’t know if you believed in adam and eve, and MANY on this board do. If you believe in adam and eve then you do not believe in evolution.
No- what I said was I was unsure whether it was to be taken LITERALLY or SYMBOLICALLY.

The jury seems to be out, in regards to the Catholic Church’s position on this. I personally don’t care much about it, as it really is the least of my confusions about Catholicism.

And no,** literal interpretation of the Adam and Eve story does not necessarily exclude the acceptance of evolution.**
 
Well just a few post ago you stated you didn’t know if you believed in adam and eve, and MANY on this board do. If you believe in adam and eve then you do not believe in evolution.
This is also, unfortunately incorrect. The poster is redirected to learn what the Catholic Church teaches and accepts in regards to Adam, Eve, and evolution. The truth is that believing in one does not negate the other.

An example: If I were to claim bats are naturally all green in color and eats calculators only during lent. And I make the claim that oranges or unlike apples as much as bats are unlike cats. It is obvious from my example that neither statement excludes the other even though both utilize bats in the observations.

Adam and Eve does not contradict evolution and vice verse. This has already been detailed on this site as well as other places. Using the search option would yield many results. In particular, read about Adam, Eve and Evolution.

As ammo for you and others, I do not subscribe to evolution. It is simply too weak of an assertion with its situational evidence. My friends were shocked to find out my thoughts on this seeing as how loving of science, anthropology, history, and cosmology I am. But unlike quantum dynamics and abstract concepts in mathematics, the rigorous evaluation needed for evolution is poor at best. Unfortunate.
 
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