Why are atheists so unhappy?

[Charles_Darwin]

**Who or what, in your opinion, provided the initial components for creation if it was not a supernatural power? Is it within man’s power? No. Do you know of any intelligence higher than human intelligence whose power was great enough to create? **

We don’t know much about the point before the inflation of space time, your blind speculation is pointless.

By default, we can assume that there is a higher “supernatural power” who can “think” of and plan the intricacies of the human eye, the chemicals needed to sustain life, the petals of flowers, etc.

Why, evidence please. why on earth does the eye have to do with it. The evolution of the eye is fully documented.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

Pagans sacrificed their children to “gods.” Christians would say that it is immoral to sacrifice innocent children. A pagan or atheist would not have a problem sacrificing children for either religious reasons or for expediency for some perceived greater selfish “reason.”

A Christian would say that each person is endowed with a conscience which urges each of us to “do right” so they should have known better than to sacrifice their children.

Since they were sacrificing their children, then they were not listening to their consciences. The murder of their children for sacrificial purposes became the law of the land by the powerful over the weaker.

All atheistic and pagan cultures revert to this type of immorality. When conscience is smothered by selfish desires, all vices are let loose with no more restraints, and it becomes the powerful (those with weapons) who wield power over the weaker (those without weapons) and their collective immorality becomes the law of the land.

Right so i take it god would never kill or allow the sacrifice of children???

 

[Charles_Darwin]

I have Jesus’ (God’s) Church’s unbroken line (hierarchy) of bishops and priests who teach me this, the first of them having been intimate friends of Jesus Himself 2000 years ago, and who died cruel deaths rather than denounce this Truth that the Son of God (Jesus) died for us to reconcile us to Him in atonement for Adam’s Sin which alienated us, in order to make it possible for all of us to inherit eternal life in heaven with Him. I have a copy of their Bible, a collection of manuscripts, which tells of God’s relationship with His creation, including even me, since I choose to believe in Him and obey Him.

Too bad you have chosen to disregard this proof/evidence.

In other word you have nothing by that of hearsay hand-me-down myth. Thats not evidence.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

For the last time Sweden and Japan are secular not atheist countries, furthermore, the only atheist countries I know of were communist and well, evil.

Sweden is 80% atheist, how on earth is that not an atheist country?

 

[Charles_Darwin]

Is it possible for you to understand this truth with your limited ability to reason and discern spiritual things due to the hardness of your heart?

Contraception is extreme selfishness. It is the “taking” of selfish pleasure while “frustrating” the purpose for the “seed” which is the creation of new life.

Contraception can and does cause abortions.

Sex is supposed to produce new life. Surprise! Surprise!

Sex is meant to be only for a man and woman who are married to each other who will sacrificially nurture the children which result from their union until they can be independent themselves.

Well, you did ask!

Yep and i didn’t get much of a reply. Your black and white nonsense shows your abilty to reason.

Firstly in the bible many men had mulitiple wifes. Secondly many people in the bible had sex outwith marriage. Also sex is not just about producing new life, thats why most people have had sex alot more times than the amount of kids they have.

Thridly contraception is the number one method of controlling STD’s including HIV. What if someone contracted HIV from a blood transplant, does that mean they should never have sex with there spouse? Would be immoral for that married couple to have safe sex? Get a grip.

 

[RNRobert]

Is it possible for you to understand this truth with your limited ability to reason and discern spiritual things due to the hardness of your heart?

Contraception is extreme selfishness. It is the “taking” of selfish pleasure while “frustrating” the purpose for the “seed” which is the creation of new life.

Contraception can and does cause abortions.

Sex is supposed to produce new life. Surprise! Surprise!

Sex is meant to be only for a man and woman who are married to each other who will sacrificially nurture the children which result from their union until they can be independent themselves.

Well, you did ask!

It seems we have caught Charlie in a contradiction. From reading his posts, it seems the end-all be-all of human existence is nothing more than passing on our genes in order to ensure the survival of the human race (why it is so important for the human race to survive, he won’t say). So, it could be argued that those who practice it are jeopardizing the survival of the species by not passing on their genes (the same argument could be made for homosexuals). Of course, if their genes are defective, then perhaps they should practice these things in order to avoid contaminating the gene pool…

 

[RNRobert]

There’s a song by a singer named Peggy Lee titled “Is That All There Is?” I’ve only heard the song once (and that was enough, because the song is pretty depressing), but thought I’d post the lyrics here:

I remember when I was a very little girl, our house caught on fire.
I’ll never forget the look on my father’s face as he gathered me up
in his arms and raced through the burning building out to the pavement.
I stood there shivering in my pajamas and watched the whole world go up in flames.
And when it was all over I said to myself, “Is that all there is to a fire?”

Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that’s all there is my friends, then let’s keep dancing
Let’s break out the booze and have a ball
If that’s all there is

And when I was 12 years old, my father took me to the circus, the greatest show on earth.
There were clowns and elephants and dancing bears
And a beautiful lady in pink tights flew high above our heads.
And as I sat there watching the marvelous spectacle
I had the feeling that something was missing.
I don’t know what, but when it was over,
I said to myself, “Is that all there is to a circus?”

Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that’s all there is my friends, then let’s keep dancing
Let’s break out the booze and have a ball
If that’s all there is

Then I fell in love, with the most wonderful boy in the world.
We would take long walks by the river or just sit for hours gazing into each other’s eyes.
We were so very much in love.
Then one day, he went away. And I thought I’d die – but I didn’t.
And when I didn’t I said to myself, “Is that all there is to love?”

Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that’s all there is my friends, then let’s keep dancing

I know what you must be saying to yourselves.
If that’s the way she feels about it why doesn’t she just end it all?
Oh, no. Not me. I’m in no hurry for that final disappointment.
For I know just as well as I’m standing here talking to you,
when that final moment comes and I’m breathing my lst breath, I’ll be saying to myself,

Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that’s all there is my friends, then let’s keep dancing
Let’s break out the booze and have a ball
If that’s all there is

This is a question that cannot be answered by science. Most people at some point in their lives question the meaning of their existence. C.S. Lewis wrote how one night he was on a Home Guard patrol during WW2, and was chatting with the men on patrol with him. They were discussing the war and agreed that it probably wouldn’t change anything, and the world would continue the way it always had. One of the men suddenly asked, “Then what’s the ruddy use of it going on?” Lewis was amazed that a man could live into his 40s without ever once asking that question.
What IS our purpose in life? WHY are we here? If our life is nothing more than a dance of atoms, then we might just as well do what Ms. Lee suggests and “break out the booze and have a ball…”

 

[Charles_Darwin]

It seems we have caught Charlie in a contradiction. From reading his posts, it seems the end-all be-all of human existence is nothing more than passing on our genes in order to ensure the survival of the human race (why it is so important for the human race to survive, he won’t say). So, it could be argued that those who practice it are jeopardizing the survival of the species by not passing on their genes (the same argument could be made for homosexuals). Of course, if their genes are defective, then perhaps they should practice these things in order to avoid contaminating the gene pool…

I have stated many times it is not about importance. I’m not going to repeat myself again. As a race we cant NOT procreate its in our very make up, just like the first self replicating RNA molecules.

I unlike the religious have no issues with homosexuals, oh and list time i checked to humans of the same sex can’t procreate.

 

[RNRobert]

I have stated many times it is not about importance. I’m not going to repeat myself again. As a race we cant NOT procreate its in our very make up, just like the first self replicating RNA molecules.

I unlike the religious have no issues with homosexuals, oh and list time i checked to humans of the same sex can’t procreate.

My point about homosexuals is the very fact that they CAN"T procreate, which you just said is in our makeup to do. Perhaps homosexuality is nature’s way of weeding out the unfit genes…

BTW, do you have children, If not, why not? If it is in our nature to procreate, than why are you not fulfilling your duty to pass your genes on to the next generation?

 

[Charles_Darwin]

My point about homosexuals is the very fact that they CAN"T procreate, which you just said is in our makeup to do. Perhaps homosexuality is nature’s way of weeding out the unfit genes…

BTW, do you have children, If not, why not? If it is in our nature to procreate, than why are you not fulfilling your duty to pass your genes on to the next generation?

Did you even read what i said? I said as a RACE. Much like with RNA if certain individuals dont reproduce all that happens is there linage comes to an end. Duty, importance etc have nothing to do with it. Free your mind from yourself importance and look at the the grand scheme of things. These are attributes asigned by humans, nature cares not.

 

[RNRobert]

Did you even read what i said? I said as a RACE. Much like with RNA if certain individuals dont reproduce all that happens is there linage comes to an end. Duty, importance etc have nothing to do with it. Free your mind from yourself importance and look at the the grand scheme of things. These are attributes asigned by humans, nature cares not.

So our existence is nothing more than a dance of atoms? No wonder atheism often leads to nihilism…

 

[Charles_Darwin]

So our existence is nothing more than a dance of atoms? No wonder atheism often leads to nihilism…

Atheism says nothing about one’s outlook on life, i how many times must this be explaned to you. All atheism means is, is lack a belief in any gods. Thats it. For all you know could believe humans are the most wonderful special beinging the cosmos, and that every human should be given there own planet becase we’re just that super dooper. Atheism has nothing to do with it.

Please if nothing else just try to understand the meaning of atheism. Surely thats not too much to ask.

 

[RNRobert]

Atheism says nothing about one’s outlook on life, i how many times must this be explaned to you. All atheism means is, is lack a belief in any gods. Thats it. For all you know could believe humans are the most wonderful special beinging the cosmos, and that every human should be given there own planet becase we’re just that super dooper. Atheism has nothing to do with it.

Please if nothing else just try to understand the meaning of atheism. Surely thats not too much to ask.

From the online Oxford English Dictionary (
askoxford.com/concise_oed/atheism?view=uk ) -

atheism

/aythi-iz’m/
• noun the belief that God does not exist.
— DERIVATIVES atheist noun atheistic adjective atheistical adjective.
— ORIGIN from Greek a- ‘without’ + theos ‘god’.

This from my Webster’s New World College Dictionary at home:

atheism n. [MFr *atheisme

< Gr* atheos, *godless <a-, without + theos god; see Theo-]
**1 **The belief that there is no God, or denial that God or gods exist
**2 **godlessness

atheist n.[MFr *atheiste: see prec.] a person who believe that there is no God

Having demonstrated an understanding of the definition of atheism, let me ask you a question. What do you consider the purpose of YOUR existence? It’s not an unreasonable question. Most people at some point in their life question why they’re here (AFAIk, animals don’t).

 

[Charles_Darwin]

From the online Oxford English Dictionary (
askoxford.com/concise_oed/atheism?view=uk ) -

This from my Webster’s New World College Dictionary at home:

Having demonstrated an understanding of the definition of atheism, let me ask you a question. What do you consider the purpose of YOUR existence? It’s not an unreasonable question. Most people at some point in their life question why they’re here (AFAIk, animals don’t).

Dictionarys are a quick reference and as a result they often give differing or incomplete definitions. I noticed non of them meantioned “our existence is nothing more than a dance of atoms”.

Anyway…

The reason we ask such questions is we have the intelligent to do so. It depends what you mean by purpose. We can give life purpose in many different ways. For example the IMO the scientists that have furthered the knowledge of man kind, and increase life expectancy form 30 to 70 have led worth while lifes.

However on the grand scheme of things 100000000 billion years from now will it really matter what us humans, on the this long extinct pokey little rock, did? I would have to say no.

What does matter is what we do now, today. How we treat each other. For we all only have one life. One special congregation of atoms that allows the universe, for we are part of the universe, to have a conscience. We get 80 years if were lucky, then our atoms will dissipate back into the cosmos. We owe it to ourselfs and each other to make the most of this special thing we call life.

 

[SHW]

I got it from Catholic Answers, catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9404otg.asp God bless.

Thanks! I wanted to keep a copy of it in my files, but I prefer to document where it came from if I use it in my posts.

 

[SHW]

Again why would it have to be created by a supernatural power?

You really cannot figure this out by using reason and logic?

 

[SHW]

Why, evidence please. why on earth does the eye have to do with it. The evolution of the eye is fully documented.

Evolution could not possibly have begun without an expected/planned result. If no specific plan for eyes, “eyes” could have evolved as separate entities and only been eyes with no body to house them yet have everything included within them to nourish them and support them (by having an external feeding tube and digestion system). They could just be “rolling along.” Why two eyes and not just one? Why, instead, was a body created to house these two eyes? Divine plan!

 

[SHW]

Right so i take it god would never kill or allow the sacrifice of children???

God forbids humans to kill and sacrifice their children unless He tells them otherwise such as the case of Abraham and Isaac. Human children belong to God, their Creator. He alone has power over life and death. Those persons who thwart His plan of dominion over life and death will eventually pay the consequences for their actions either in this life or the next.

God is master over His creation. He alone has power to do what He wills with His creation. The clay pot does not tell the potter what the pot should be used for or whether it can or cannot be destroyed. Humans have no business telling God what He should do either. Humans do have the duty to choose to obey their Creator and if they do, then they will live in heaven with Him for eternity. If instead, they choose to disobey Him, then they will face the consequences of eternal hellfire. There are only these two choices to choose from and the results of both choices are everlasting.

 

[SHW]

In other word you have nothing by that of hearsay hand-me-down myth. Thats not evidence.

You do not know the difference between truth and myth.

NT Truths are handed down through the Catholic Church intact, from persons who were actually involved in the original events. Their Bible (written tradition) documents this history in written form. These are historical events and are documented just as any other history is documented in the written form. Even if the NT had not ever been written down, these truths would still be known today through the Church’s oral history (oral tradition) which has been handed down also for 2000 years.

The Church states that their Bible is the inspired Word of God. They claim that God became Man and visited His people on earth 2000 years ago and founded His Church on earth to represent Him until He comes again to take His remnant to heaven on the Last Day. Either we believe Him and His Church which represents Him on earth or we don’t. My choice to make, but I get no choice in choosing my own consequence as a result of my own choice. Either I believe in Him and obey Him and reap the consequence of eternal life or else I do not believe in Him and I do not obey Him and thereby reap the consequence of everlasting hellfire. There are only these two choices offered, no more, no less, and they each have their own consequences which cannot and will not ever be changed.

Myths have no known credible “authorship” so they are like fairytales.

Truth is still truth whether anyone believes it to be the truth or not. 2 + 2 = 4 regardless whether people believe it true or not.

 

[RNRobert]

What does matter is what we do now, today. How we treat each other. For we all only have one life. One special congregation of atoms that allows the universe, for we are part of the universe, to have a conscience. We get 80 years if were lucky, then our atoms will dissipate back into the cosmos. We owe it to ourselfs and each other to make the most of this special thing we call life.

Noble sentiments to be sure. However, it seems most of the human race goes through life with a “Looking out for number 1/what’s in it for me?” attitude.

If we are merely the product of our genes, if we are compelled to procreate because of our RNA, if we have morals simply because they evolved, then why do humans make such radically different decisions? The RNA of humanitarians like Albert Schweitzer and Mother Teresa is the same as murderers like Hitler and Bundy, yet the choices these individuals make is like night and day. Why the difference?