Why are atheists so unhappy?

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Hello there.

I thank you for your thoughts, and hope you will excuse me for snipping them.

I think that there are certain needs that some folk exhibit which allow them to be fertile soil for the seeds of religious faith, and that those needs can be viewed as being the pure result of the lives which they lead, and the position within a culture they find themselves occupying.

As far as I can see into myself, I do not feel that I perceive such a need, and this is a trait which I believe that many atheists share. On the other hand, there is no question that religious folk often speak of needs which were not being met before they became religious; and I am sure anyone who, in adulthood, became more religious than they were previously, could communicate this notion.

People often speak of scientists being atheists, and wonder whether their education allows them a better vantage point in perceiving religion to be something which is they feel is untrue. Many wonder if science has ‘disproven’ the God of monotheism. From my personal experiences of scientists, and in my life as an educator of future scientists, such people who are attracted to serious study, are people who have been attracted in this way since childhood.

For them, the greatest pleasure in life is an understanding of some aspect of the natural world, say, or in understanding complex math. My best analogy is to imagine a little boy speaking ardently of dinosaurs, where they lived, what they ate, and what in the world caused them to go away. Such people, moreover, have the capacity to feel self-actualisation. Their lives have meaning in part because their great love for something has become their career, and very often, such a career is at the very least somewhat capable of supporting a comfortable lifestyle. (My sister-in-law works in medicinal chemistry, and is salaried nearly into the middle six-digit salary range. It takes a great deal of ego to accomplish something like that in life; the sort of ego that causes you to get out of bed in the morning, not narcissism. It takes ego to want good things for your family.)

How is it that such a person should feel the needs in their lives that cause them to be religious, if not tragedy? If you are a theist, this speaks well of tragedy; but to my thinking, this insinuates something more: that a life brought to its knees to worship at the altar of God, is a life which leads to yet another question which we cannot answer without first assuming a position on the existence of God. Did God permit the tragedy so that some happy person might desire to worship him? Or is the person simply religious because they ‘finally’ have a need to be? Either way, the tragedy cannot demonstrate or rule out God’s reality.
Thanks for the response IND. I think it is very insightful and to the point. I fine no disagreement. I just wanted to clarify that I am not talking about a “crisis” type of need. For some it is a crisis, but it is not so for everyone. Some just stumbles upon this curiosity, some are raised up on a religious environment, and countless other situations.

I am glad you, your siblings, and your families are doing well. In coming to this thread, I am already under the impression that living a secular life without recognizing God does not necessitate a person to be unhappy or happy as you can see from previous posts between pages 18-20, my reason for responding to you is to encourage your interests, or former, interests in the Catholic faith.
 
It seems we have caught Charlie in a contradiction. From reading his posts, it seems the end-all be-all of human existence is nothing more than passing on our genes in order to ensure the survival of the human race (why it is so important for the human race to survive, he won’t say). So, it could be argued that those who practice it are jeopardizing the survival of the species by not passing on their genes (the same argument could be made for homosexuals). Of course, if their genes are defective, then perhaps they should practice these things in order to avoid contaminating the gene pool…
Many people claim that indulging in sexual relations for pleasure alone is a right, and they also claim that they should not have to pay any “natural” consequences for this right. People can come up with lots of excuses to support their own hedonism. 🙂

Sex “naturally” produces children. The main purpose of sex is to ensure continuation of the species - the pleasure derived from sex is also for this same end - to make sex desirable, so that people will repeat the sexual acts (due to the pleasure obtained by them) and these repeated acts will usually eventually produce children.

Sex is for married people only since these children (produced by the natural sexual act) need a stable nurturing environment with their two parents in order for them to become healthy independent adults.
 
Yep and i didn’t get much of a reply. Your black and white nonsense shows your abilty to reason.

Firstly in the bible many men had mulitiple wifes. Secondly many people in the bible had sex outwith marriage. Also sex is not just about producing new life, thats why most people have had sex alot more times than the amount of kids they have.

Thridly contraception is the number one method of controlling STD’s including HIV. What if someone contracted HIV from a blood transplant, does that mean they should never have sex with there spouse? Would be immoral for that married couple to have safe sex? Get a grip.
Correct “reasoning” results in “black and white” because “Truth” never changes. Truth is an absolute. Your “relativism” is what is nonsense. 😉

Multiple wives for each man was not in God’s original plan. Man thwarted God’s plan and decided to have more than one wife and also to have concubines.

God created man and woman to marry each other (one man married to one woman for life; not man to man nor woman to woman) and become one flesh and to remain as one flesh until death parted them. (Matthew 19:3-6)

Sex is for the begetting of children. “Be fruitful and multiply.” No mention was made for sex for personal pleasure alone.

There would be no STDs if people followed God’s plan! 🤷 There would be no HIV in existence now if people had followed God’s plan. 🤷

You need to get a grip. All of humanity’s problems are due to selfishness (sin). It is sad that we all pay the consequences for mankind’s sins whether we are the ones who sinned or not. Frustrating the sexual act with a barrier or spermicide for whatever reason is still a sin because it prevents the natural outcome of the act which is new life.

Atheists are their own personal gods. They make life and death decisions for themselves according to their own personal hedonism. When enough atheists (or fake Christians) get into power in a nation, they work to disarm their subjects literally and then make mandatory life and death decisions for all of their “subjects” in order to continue their own hedonism.

If all people actually followed God’s commandments, it would be like paradise here on earth. There would be no sin, no broken homes, and no other selfishness. True love would abound.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Atheism always results in ultimate hedonism. Watch and see for yourself. Unless God intervenes, we will see its results here in the USA soon.
 
Atheism says nothing about one’s outlook on life, i how many times must this be explaned to you. All atheism means is, is lack a belief in any gods. Thats it. For all you know could believe humans are the most wonderful special beinging the cosmos, and that every human should be given there own planet becase we’re just that super dooper. Atheism has nothing to do with it.

Please if nothing else just try to understand the meaning of atheism. Surely thats not too much to ask.
You are fooling yourself. True Atheists exalt “self.” True Atheists do not care about others, especially people who are different than themselves. Empathy for others eventually gets sacrificed for individual hedonism.

Hitler was baptized Catholic, then rejected Catholicism and became a materialist and a rationalist, and most likely would have embraced total Atheism if he had lived long enough.

He believed that the German Aryan race was superior to all others and that all others should be annihilated for this reason. Hitler used Christianity at first to gain his power while keeping his long-term agenda secret, but after he got supreme power, he killed priests and religious just as he killed the Jews and the disabled and the mentally handicapped. “Empathy” and “sympathy” for humankind were sacrificed on the altar of “Aryan ideal;” no sacrifice by the “unfit” was deemed too much to suffer for the success and completion of this grand scheme.

A true Atheist lives a “way of life” which exalts himself above all. A true Christian lives a “way of life” which exalts God above all and he also loves his neighbor as himself.
 
You really cannot figure this out by using reason and logic? :eek:
Of course not for reason and logic say the opposite. Reason and logic dictates we don’t have the evidence to form any such conclusions.
 
Evolution could not possibly have begun without an expected/planned result. If no specific plan for eyes, “eyes” could have evolved as separate entities and only been eyes with no body to house them yet have everything included within them to nourish them and support them (by having an external feeding tube and digestion system). They could just be “rolling along.” 😉 Why two eyes and not just one? Why, instead, was a body created to house these two eyes? Divine plan! 👍
hehe 😃
 
Noble sentiments to be sure. However, it seems most of the human race goes through life with a “Looking out for number 1/what’s in it for me?” attitude.

If we are merely the product of our genes, if we are compelled to procreate because of our RNA, if we have morals simply because they evolved, then why do humans make such radically different decisions? The RNA of humanitarians like Albert Schweitzer and Mother Teresa is the same as murderers like Hitler and Bundy, yet the choices these individuals make is like night and day. Why the difference?
If morals are absolute why the difference?
 
You are fooling yourself. True Atheists exalt “self.” True Atheists do not care about others, especially people who are different than themselves. Empathy for others eventually gets sacrificed for individual hedonism.

Hitler was baptized Catholic, then rejected Catholicism and became a materialist and a rationalist, and most likely would have embraced total Atheism if he had lived long enough.

He believed that the German Aryan race was superior to all others and that all others should be annihilated for this reason. Hitler used Christianity at first to gain his power while keeping his long-term agenda secret, but after he got supreme power, he killed priests and religious just as he killed the Jews and the disabled and the mentally handicapped. “Empathy” and “sympathy” for humankind were sacrificed on the altar of “Aryan ideal;” no sacrifice by the “unfit” was deemed too much to suffer for the success and completion of this grand scheme.

A true Atheist lives a “way of life” which exalts himself above all. A true Christian lives a “way of life” which exalts God above all and he also loves his neighbor as himself.
I have explained to you countless times what a atheist is. Either you are too stupid to understand or you are trolling. Either why i’m not interested in correcting you over and over again.
 
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There would be no STDs if people followed God’s plan! 🤷 There would be no HIV in existence now if people had followed God’s plan. 🤷
But since god made STD’s and HIV. If i catholic woman got HIV from a blood transplant would it be immoral for her to use a condom so she could have sex with her husband?
 
Sweden is 80% atheist, how on earth is that not an atheist country?
And the US is more than 80% religious but it is secular. Moreover, your stats are incorrect the amount of confirmed atheists is less than 20% in Sweden. I have already stated this information in another post which I guess you must have missed.
 
And the US is more than 80% religious but it is secular. Moreover, your stats are incorrect the amount of confirmed atheists is less than 20% in Sweden. I have already stated this information in another post which I guess you must have missed.
I should clarify my statement above by stating that in the U.S. there is more than 80% who believe in God. Now here is the website that posts percentages much different than the 80% from Zuckerman.

gnxp.com/blog/2009/05/atheist-societies.php

There are two reports really, one from Eurobarometer and another from World Values Survey, in the one report the amount of confirmed atheists is 23% and the other is 17.3 %.
 
Noble sentiments to be sure. However, it seems most of the human race goes through life with a “Looking out for number 1/what’s in it for me?” attitude.

If we are merely the product of our genes, if we are compelled to procreate because of our RNA, if we have morals simply because they evolved, then why do humans make such radically different decisions? The RNA of humanitarians like Albert Schweitzer and Mother Teresa is the same as murderers like Hitler and Bundy, yet the choices these individuals make is like night and day. Why the difference?
Free will, but I hardly think Charlie believes in it as he seems to prefer determinism which takes away our free will.
 
If morals are absolute why the difference?
Because people choose to ignore their God-given conscience and practice moral relativism. If morals were not absolute than nothing could be considered right or wrong, good or bad.
 
Because people choose to ignore their God-given conscience and practice moral relativism. If morals were not absolute than nothing could be considered right or wrong, good or bad.
So if morals are absolute is lying and killing wrong?
 
So if morals are absolute is lying and killing wrong?
I’m pretty sure that lying with the intent of deceit in no redeeming manner is wrong. I’m pretty sure the taking of lives of that has every right to live is wrong.
 
Yes, lying is wrong and so is killing (but it can be justified depending the circumstances, for example, in self defense and in a just war).
I believe the Church differentiates between killing and murder- the latter being the unlawful taking of a life (Some Bible translations read “thou shalt not murder,” which I believe is more accurate).
We are allowed to take a life in the defense of ourselves or another, including the concept of just war, and the death penalty is sanctioned if that is the only way to protect society. Abortion, and euthanasia is murder.
 
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