Why are atheists so unhappy?

[ferdie]

I believe the Church differentiates between killing and murder- the latter being the unlawful taking of a life (Some Bible translations read “thou shalt not murder,” which I believe is more accurate).
We are allowed to take a life in the defense of ourselves or another, including the concept of just war, and the death penalty is sanctioned if that is the only way to protect society. Abortion, and euthanasia is murder.

How about those who kill doctors who perform abortions, they think they are defending life by killing the abortionists?

 

[NoWings]

But since god made STD’s and HIV. If i catholic woman got HIV from a blood transplant would it be immoral for her to use a condom so she could have sex with her husband?

Did she get it before or after her marriage?

If before, then (according to the Church) she has no business getting married at all.

If after, welcome to a brother and sister marriage.

 

[SHW]

Of course not for reason and logic say the opposite. Reason and logic dictates we don’t have the evidence to form any such conclusions.

People who are able to use reason and logic correctly can easily discern and conclude that creation was “master-minded” by a supernatural power and that creation is not simply a product of random “thoughtlessness.”

Catholics see an ordered “plan” for creation even if evolution is true. The original chemicals/gases/etc. (components of creation) were “intelligently” created and endowed with “specific” characteristics in order for them to be able to produce the desired “results” of creation millions of years later.

 

[RNRobert]

But since god made STD’s and HIV. If i catholic woman got HIV from a blood transplant would it be immoral for her to use a condom so she could have sex with her husband?

To me, that is playing Russian roulette. You would only need one faulty condom to infect your spouse. If I was married and got HIV from a blood transfusion, I would not put my loved one at such risk.

 

[SHW]

So is lying wrong?

Yes.

 

[SHW]

I have explained to you countless times what a atheist is. Either you are too stupid to understand or you are trolling. Either why i’m not interested in correcting you over and over again.

Watch your language! You are a guest here. Since God sent you here to get help, why don’t you soften your hard heart and repent, or if you choose to continue to refuse His graces, then go and find a sympathetic atheistic or no-nothing (none) forum where you can all discuss your “hopes” for an impossible atheistic paradise on earth.

You will find out that there were only two choices to choose from when you die. Heaven or hell. If you are atheist, hell is your everlasting abode. If you believe in and obey God, then heaven is where you will live your eternal life. (2 Thessalonians 1:8)

So, continue to fool yourself. Either serve God (good) or Satan (evil). Only two choices.

God is light. Either go into the light now so that when you die, God will comfort and sustain you forever or else forever abide in darkness where Satan (and all who reject God) will suffer forever in the lake of fire and brimstone.

Persons who deliberately choose to not know God, when they have been given ample opportunity to know Him, are condemned to hell when they die.

 

[Angel7]

Athiests aren’t necesserilly Un-happy
They just lack Truth
Thus they lack Purpose
If an Athiests learns and Hears Truth
They understand Purpose
And Thus, those with purpose are usually more joyous than those that lack Purpose.
From an Athiest point of View, I would hate to live in a world with no Purpose. Thinking we are only here by CHANCE, and not G-d. Very, very, dismaying.

 

[j1akey]

SHW:

Sex is for married people only since these children (produced by the natural sexual act) need a stable nurturing environment with their two parents in order for them to become healthy independent adults.

See, now this is just flat out propaganda. What if the mother dies during childbirth? What happens if the parents get divorced shortly after the child is born? What if one dies sometime after? Being married has nothing to do with any of this but it happens all the time causing only one parent to raise a child. Even if a couple stays married there’s countless non-stable and non-nurturing environments that children are raised in also.

 

[j1akey]

SHW:

Watch your language! You are a guest here. Since God sent you here to get help, why don’t you soften your hard heart and repent, or if you choose to continue to refuse His graces, then go and find a sympathetic atheistic or no-nothing (none) forum where you can all discuss your “hopes” for an impossible atheistic paradise on earth.

Uh, we’re all guests here? I didn’t know you owned the forums.

Athiests aren’t necesserilly Un-happy - True
They just lack Truth - Nope, what’s truth? I know what I think to be the truth just as you do.
Thus they lack Purpose - Plenty of purpose here
If an Athiests learns and Hears Truth
They understand Purpose - See above
**
And Thus, those with purpose are usually more joyous than those that lack Purpose.
From an Athiest point of View, I would hate to live in a world with no Purpose. Thinking we are only here by CHANCE, and not G-d. Very, very, dismaying.** Who says you need God to have purpose? I have plenty of purpose in my life without having to rely on an all power being to supply it for me.

 

[NoWings]

To me, that is playing Russian roulette. You would only need one faulty condom to infect your spouse. If I was married and got HIV from a blood transfusion, I would not put my loved one at such risk.

I’ll accept that for life-threatening STDs.

What about non- life-threatening?

 

[SHW]

But since god made STD’s and HIV. If i catholic woman got HIV from a blood transplant would it be immoral for her to use a condom so she could have sex with her husband?

God did not make STDs and HIV. Sin made them possible. He does allow them as natural consequences for sexual sins.

Sadly, many innocent persons suffer directly (and indirectly) because of the sins of others. We all must pay the consequences of sin. Condoms are never justified. The end (sex) does not justify the means (condom).

This is extremely hard for atheists and “nones” to understand since moral relativism is part of their creed.

In his September 19, 1796 Farewell Address to the nation, George Washington stated: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great Pillars.” William McGuffey, author of the McGuffey’s Readers, which were the mainstay of America’s public school system from 1836 till the 1920’s, wrote: “Erase all thought and fear of God from a community, and selfishness and sensuality would absorb the whole man.” Where do you think the world is heading today?

Read more at: moral-relativism.com/

 

[SHW]

See, now this is just flat out propaganda. What if the mother dies during childbirth? What happens if the parents get divorced shortly after the child is born? What if one dies sometime after? Being married has nothing to do with any of this but it happens all the time causing only one parent to raise a child. Even if a couple stays married there’s countless non-stable and non-nurturing environments that children are raised in also.

I was speaking of God’s original plan for marriage and family and it is the best plan.

 

[j1akey]

SHW:

I was speaking of God’s original plan for marriage and family and it is the best plan.

While I do agree that ideally you would want both parents around to raise a child, I don’t believe it’s a prerequisite to raise healthy children as you previously stated.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

I’m pretty sure that lying with the intent of deceit in no redeeming manner is wrong. I’m pretty sure the taking of lives of that has every right to live is wrong.

I was hoping you would say this… I am now going to demonstrate why your moral absolutes are “absolutely” obtuse.

Say you were alive in the second world war, and you were harbouring 100 jewish children, and a nazi turned up at your door looking for jews. Would you lie to that nazi to save the live of 100 innocent kids? Say he insisted on inspecting your house and found them, would you take one life to save 100 innocent kids?

Its clear in this care there is no black and white that comes with moral absolutes.

 

[RNRobert]

I’ll accept that for life-threatening STDs.

What about non- life-threatening?

Since most other STDs (syphillis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes) are only transmitted sexually and not through blood (with the exception of hepatitis B and C), this should not be an issue, if the couple is in a monogamous relationship.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

Yes, lying is wrong and so is killing (but it can be justified depending the circumstances, for example, in self defense and in a just war).

haha , do you know the meaning of absolute? Thank you for agreeing morals are NOT absolute.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

People who are able to use reason and logic correctly can easily discern and conclude that creation was “master-minded” by a supernatural power and that creation is not simply a product of random “thoughtlessness.”

Catholics see an ordered “plan” for creation even if evolution is true. The original chemicals/gases/etc. (components of creation) were “intelligently” created and endowed with “specific” characteristics in order for them to be able to produce the desired “results” of creation millions of years later.

Give me one bit of empirical evidence that supports your hypothesis.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

To me, that is playing Russian roulette. You would only need one faulty condom to infect your spouse. If I was married and got HIV from a blood transfusion, I would not put my loved one at such risk.

I didn’t ask what you would do, If they both wanted to then would it be immoral? If so, why?

 

[Akheron]

Yes, lying is wrong and so is killing (but it can be justified depending the circumstances, for example, in self defense and in a just war).

If lying and killing are sometimes justified, doesn’t that mean that truthfulness and respect of life are not moral absolutes?

Doesn’t absolute imply that there absolutely cannot be any exception to the rule?

If it is sometimes justified to lie or kill, how does it not imply that you get to shift your moral standpoint according to the situation you are facing?

And what is a “just war”? Who decides that a war is “just”?

 

[j1akey]

SHV:

God did not make STDs and HIV. Sin made them possible. He does allow them as natural consequences for sexual sins.

There are many theories as to how HIV entered the human population but none of them (at least from what I’ve read) have to do with sex. It’s also not just a sexual disease, blood transfusions and dirty needles also have played a key. Blood transfusions were probably the biggest thing to make it spread since it took a while for anyone to figure it out.

As far as the rest of the common STD’s go, no one has been able to figure out where they come from, only that some of them anyway have been around a really really really long time. “Sin” doesn’t create disease.