Why are atheists so unhappy?

[Charles_Darwin]

Watch your language! You are a guest here. Since God sent you here to get help, why don’t you soften your hard heart and repent, or if you choose to continue to refuse His graces, then go and find a sympathetic atheistic or no-nothing (none) forum where you can all discuss your “hopes” for an impossible atheistic paradise on earth.

You will find out that there were only two choices to choose from when you die. Heaven or hell. If you are atheist, hell is your everlasting abode. If you believe in and obey God, then heaven is where you will live your eternal life. (2 Thessalonians 1:8)

So, continue to fool yourself. Either serve God (good) or Satan (evil). Only two choices.

God is light. Either go into the light now so that when you die, God will comfort and sustain you forever or else forever abide in darkness where Satan (and all who reject God) will suffer forever in the lake of fire and brimstone.

Persons who deliberately choose to not know God, when they have been given ample opportunity to know Him, are condemned to hell when they die.

Like i said im not interested, your either stupid or trolling. Either way this is pointless.

 

[SHW]

Uh, we’re all guests here? I didn’t know you owned the forums.

Athiests aren’t necesserilly Un-happy - True
They just lack Truth - Nope, what’s truth? I know what I think to be the truth just as you do.
Thus they lack Purpose - Plenty of purpose here
If an Athiests learns and Hears Truth
They understand Purpose - See above
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And Thus, those with purpose are usually more joyous than those that lack Purpose.
From an Athiest point of View, I would hate to live in a world with no Purpose. Thinking we are only here by CHANCE, and not G-d. Very, very, dismaying.** Who says you need God to have purpose? I have plenty of purpose in my life without having to rely on an all power being to supply it for me.

I am a Catholic guest here and I also support this forum financially. We do not call each other “stupid” on this forum without getting a reprimand.

You forgot one:
Atheists are moral relativists: Yes

Catholics know that they cannot even take their next breaths without God willing it.

Why are you here on a Catholic forum? I doubt very much that you will persuade many persons to reject their Catholicism because of your posts. I also doubt that you will happy to read our posts which tell you, that according to our Bible, that those persons who reject God by their own conscious choices will spend eternity in a lake of fire and brimstone. This is our belief. It has been the Catholic belief for 2000 years and it is not going to change now.

What is your “purpose” for being here?

 

[Charles_Darwin]

God did not make STDs and HIV. Sin made them possible. He does allow them as natural consequences for sexual sins.

Sadly, many innocent persons suffer directly (and indirectly) because of the sins of others. We all must pay the consequences of sin. Condoms are never justified. The end (sex) does not justify the means (condom).

This is extremely hard for atheists and “nones” to understand since moral relativism is part of their creed.

Read more at: moral-relativism.com/

So where did the nucleic acid come form?

 

[NoWings]

Since most other STDs (syphillis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes) are only transmitted sexually and not through blood (with the exception of hepatitis B and C), this should not be an issue, if the couple is in a monogamous relationship.

What if one party got it from a different relationship outside of wedlock during their reckless youth?

 

[Charles_Darwin]

double

 

[Charles_Darwin]

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[Charles_Darwin]

I am a Catholic guest here and I also support this forum financially. We do not call each other “stupid” on this forum without getting a reprimand.

You forgot one:
Atheists are moral relativists: Yes

Catholics know that they cannot even take their next breaths without God willing it.

Why are you here on a Catholic forum? I doubt very much that you will persuade many persons to reject their Catholicism because of your posts. I also doubt that you will happy to read our posts which tell you, that according to our Bible, that those persons who reject God by their own conscious choices will spend eternity in a lake of fire and brimstone. This is our belief. It has been the Catholic belief for 2000 years and it is not going to change now.

What is your “purpose” for being here?

Not even if one shows all the sign of being stupid? I didn’t swear at your, it’s just an observation. I have explained the mistake to you countless times, so have others. I so clearly you are either not able to understand or your are trolling. Either way im not interested.

 

[Angel7]

If lying and killing are sometimes justified, doesn’t that mean that truthfulness and respect of life are not moral absolutes?

Doesn’t absolute imply that there absolutely cannot be any exception to the rule?

If it is sometimes justified to lie or kill, how does it not imply that you get to shift your moral standpoint according to the situation you are facing?

And what is a “just war”? Who decides that a war is “just”?

Thus according to your Idea, that would mean we should just let Hitler take over the World.
A just war is a War, where the War is less evil then the Enemy we are fighting. in the case of WWII an Evil German Empire, Murdering innocent people by the thousands. It would be JUST to intervene. A just war is justifiable if the evil of violence is LESS evil than that of the enemy.
(hard concept but you get the idea)
A lie to protect a jewish child from a Nazi would be justifiable. You must surely agree to BOTH analagies correct? there is no flaw in it.

 

[SHW]

While I do agree that ideally you would want both parents around to raise a child, I don’t believe it’s a prerequisite to raise healthy children as you previously stated.

Sure, there are single parents who raise healthy kids. But, this is not the best nor the original plan for the rearing of children which was my original point.

 

[Angel7]

So where did the nucleic acid come form?

DNA is a programmed code of Chemicals, thus their had to have been a PROGRAMMER to set the PROGRAM. It would be to strange to say that Chemicals programmed themselves into life, by mere chance.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

Thus according to your Idea, that would mean we should just let Hitler take over the World.
A just war is a War, where the War is less evil then the Enemy we are fighting. in the case of WWII an Evil German Empire, Murdering innocent people by the thousands. It would be JUST to intervene. A just war is justifiable if the evil of violence is LESS evil than that of the enemy.
(hard concept but you get the idea)
A lie to protect a jewish child from a Nazi would be justifiable. You must surely agree to BOTH analagies correct? there is no flaw in it.

No according to his idea morals are NOT absolute, and hes correct.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

DNA is a programmed code of Chemicals, thus their had to have been a PROGRAMMER to set the PROGRAM. It would be to strange to say that Chemicals programmed themselves into life, by mere chance.

It sure would but one you get an basic understanding of the subject, i.e. on par with a cleaver 10 year old, you will realise chance has nothing to do with it.

 

[SHW]

I was hoping you would say this… I am now going to demonstrate why your moral absolutes are “absolutely” obtuse.

Say you were alive in the second world war, and you were harbouring 100 jewish children, and a nazi turned up at your door looking for jews. Would you lie to that nazi to save the live of 100 innocent kids? Say he insisted on inspecting your house and found them, would you take one life to save 100 innocent kids?

Its clear in this care there is no black and white that comes with moral absolutes.

In this case, the Nazi has no right to know my business. Yes, I would kill him in order to save the lives of my “guests” and it would not be a sin. Self defense and the defense of others is moral even if deadly force must be used.

 

[Angel7]

If Morals were absolute and we were radically passive, then Evil dictators would rise and fall as they please. G-d gave us a commandment, but if those that DONT follow the Commandment, seek to destroy us we have a right to defend ourselves. (much like Nazi germany, we fought for the right to exist as free people)
Or Israel and its neighbors, Israel fought for the right to Exist. The Catechism, of the Catholic Church teaches, that everyone has the right to Self-defense. However, it is in occurdance to the violence used against you.
ex. someone tries to mug you with a butter knife, that does not mean you have the right to kill him. For Life has dignity.
According to your view then, you would let others trod all over you like a mat.
We can fight in self defense, and self defense only.
There are also set conditions. Read the CCC. it is very useful.

 

[SHW]

Give me one bit of empirical evidence that supports your hypothesis.

Give me one bit of empirical evidence which doesn’t support it.

 

[SHW]

So where did the nucleic acid come form?

Evolution?

 

[CWBetts]

Athietist are no less or more unhappy than believers. Happieness is a temporary emotion. For example, I was happy when I went to Cedar Point with my niece. We had fun. THis had nothing to do with the fact that I am Catholic. What atheists lack is true joy, the kind of joy that comes from the knowledge that whatever life throws at you, Someone Else is in charge. It is this joy that allows us to ignore the small knocks we encounter in this life. We know that if we are faithful, a greater reward is awaiting us. It is this joy that allows some of our number to give up a lesser good for something much greater. Atheists have no access to this joy. They arent unhappy. THey simply have no joy, and are incapable at having lasting joy because they refuse to acknowledge the Source of Joy. They seem unhappy because they know that if we are right, thay cannot possibly be right, making their life a lie. All we can do is try to love them into the Church.

 

[j1akey]

"SHW:

I am a Catholic guest here and I also support this forum financially. We do not call each other “stupid” on this forum without getting a reprimand.

I get insulted worse than that from so called Catholics on this forum. It’s usually more indirect than that but it still happens.

You forgot one:
Atheists are moral relativists: Yes

Actually I copied and pasted those lines from Angel7 and responded to them but if you mean it in the following definition: “In philosophy moral relativism is the position that moral or ethical propositions do not reflect objective and/or universal moral truths, but instead make claims relative to social, cultural, historical or personal circumstances” then yes and I’m proud to say I’m a moral relativist then. I know the church demonizes it but I really don’t see a problem as much as people on this message board use it as an indirect insult to insinuate atheist have no morals or the wrong morals.

Catholics know that they cannot even take their next breaths without God willing it.

And I know I’ll keep breathing until something happens to my body and I die and God has nothing to do with it.

Why are you here on a Catholic forum? I doubt very much that you will persuade many persons to reject their Catholicism because of your posts. I also doubt that you will happy to read our posts which tell you, that according to our Bible, that those persons who reject God by their own conscious choices will spend eternity in a lake of fire and brimstone. This is our belief. It has been the Catholic belief for 2000 years and it is not going to change now.

Honestly? First, It’s more fun than posting on a board where everyone agrees with me. Secondly I’m trying to see where other people are coming from and I figure that can happen with some healthy, if sometimes heated debate. I still don’t “get it” and most of the time I can’t figure out what alot of people here are thinking.

If you tell me to read something then I probably won’t, however if you suggest something then I probably will. I’ve read several books and articles that others have suggested because even if I disagree with most people here I like to keep an open mind. I even read The something or other Atheist that a few people have pointed out. I thought it was a bunch of non-sense personally but I read it.

As far as rejecting God goes, I can’t conciously reject something I don’t think is real in the first place.

What is your “purpose” for being here?

As far as I’m concerned my purpose is to live my life to the best of my ability, have some fun, and be happy. So far it’s working out pretty good. If you’re looking for a bigger answer than that then I’m afraid I don’t have one and that’s OK with me.

 

[SHW]

Not even if one shows all the sign of being stupid? I didn’t swear at your, it’s just an observation. I have explained the mistake to you countless times, so have others. I so clearly you are either not able to understand or your are trolling. Either way im not interested.

Trolls do not support CAF financially.

No, it is not just my “observation.” Truths are not palatable to moral relativists.

Persons who do not believe in God or a higher power are moral relativists. Persons who do not believe in God or a higher power make of themselves “gods” since they answer to no one except “self.”

If you are not “interested” in the Catholic view, then please leave the forum.

 

[j1akey]

No, it is not just my “observation.” Truths are not palatable to moral relativists.

I have no problem with truth, I LOVE truth, I just don’t accept the Catholic churches “truth”, which by the way is not the end all be all or else everyone would be Catholic.

Persons who do not believe in God or a higher power are moral relativists. Persons who do not believe in God or a higher power make of themselves “gods” since they answer to no one except “self.”

I’m pretty sure I’m not a god since I don’t have any special powers or anything. I never really “got” this argument even though it’s used against me all the time.