Why are atheists so unhappy?

[Charles_Darwin]

This dialogue seems to seek excuses to transform actions that are *wrong *from a standpoint of *absolute *morality into actions that are *justifiable *from a standpoint of *relative *morality. The definitions of the words “absolute”, “lie” and “steal” get unfortunately lost in the process.

Exactly

 

[Charles_Darwin]

No, you aren’t getting it. It is still a sin to be confessed still if it is done as a mortal sin (there are rules to explain this if you look into it). But there are other sins at the same time that you must prevent. And it is an absolute that you must do what is best. Think about it.

Then there is no such thing as absolute morals.

Over the last page you have all given countless examples that make you a moral relativist.

If you believe in absolute morality then you must believe that killing is moral/immoral 100% of the time, no execptions. If you can give examples of that break this absolute then you are a moral relativist.

 

[NoWings]

No wings have you been praying?

I’m done praying. I’ve cried out. He knows where to find me if I’m needed.

My soul waits for the Lord more than those who watch for the morning.

I have never thought, as a Catholic, that I suffer any loss because I miss out on “worldly pleasures” due to my adherence to Catholic beliefs.

Of course not. Rather annoying to be lumped in under a blanket statement, yeah?

Do remember that, folks, when you’re on the opposing side.

 

[CWBetts]

I’m done praying. I’ve cried out. He knows where to find me if I’m needed.

My soul waits for the Lord more than those who watch for the morning.

Of course not. Rather annoying to be lumped in under a blanket statement, yeah?

Do remember that, folks, when you’re on the opposing side.

SOmething to bve remembered by agnostics and atheists as well who assume that believers are all idiots.

 

[kristine105]

No its because you don’t seem to have even the most basic understanding of sceince. As a result you raise objections based on YOUR lack of knowledge. This is called an argument from ignorance.

I think you focus more on science, but remember what CHARLES DARWIN concluded before his death:

“I Therefore conclude that humans came from ash and made by God;”

I hope you understand it well, you may knowledgeable in science and etc. but not spiritually.

 

[Angel7]

I gather you don’t even know what absolute means. So define “moral absolute” then give me an example of one, with a source.

You don’t understand the concept. It is still ABSOLUTE it is still WRONG. But when in self defense, or in defense of others, The penalty for violence for example is lessened, because you are trying to defend the innocent from the guilty(The one who attacks is the one who would be sinning).

It’s absolute, it tragic it has to be this way, its still wrong. But the gravity is diminished.
Your only going in circles with this anyway. What if it ISN’T absolute, does it matter? What have you Proved? Do you want to be a door mat? Do you NOT want to fight back if your attacked is that it? Because of what your saying, that means we should all be radical pacificists, and let people trample over us. Is that what your saying? Absolute or not, you wont prove anything, really.

 

[Akheron]

I think you focus more on science, but remember what CHARLES DARWIN concluded before his death:

“I Therefore conclude that humans came from ash and made by God;”

I hope you understand it well, you may knowledgeable in science and etc. but not spiritually.

I think you should research the urban legend about Charles Darwin’s alledged deathbed conversion.

 

[Angel7]

Athiest are necesserially un happy just un-fufilled.
Everyone thinks they can have their “own” truth. But Truth can not contradict truth. Truth is Jesus. If you don’t acknowledge G-d. you must acknowledge that Jesus was some one who acted like no Other person could. Even if you take out the Countless miracles, he performed, his behavior is still unhuman. Charity, and Love for everyone. He dedicated himself to his people. He was Innocent of all crimes, yet they still nailed him, he who was innocent, on the cross. Have you ever taken the blame for someone else? has someone else ever taken the blame for you? He wasn’t a scapegoat, he was a savior.

Here is an interesting sight, showing G-d exists.
proofthatgodexists.org/believe.php

Just click on the Buttons to find answers, its interactive,
Also agree with me, that there are Universal absolute Truths. Not matter where you live, it is unjust to murder, you know that. But in a just was it is justified, acknowledge this as well. There ARE moral absolute truths.

 

[Angel7]

There is a saying “Humans trample, where Angels would not dare tred”
Angels ALL believe in G-d. Even Fallen Angels, they Tremble at his presence.
Humans on the other hand, are so Arrogant to DENY g-d??!?!?!?!
Even the Devil (May g-d Rebuke him) acknowledges g-d’s existence, why do you think he and his fallen angels scream in pain during exorcisms?
Again, Humans trample, where angels dare not tred, we are just that arrogant.

 

[kristine105]

I think you should research the urban legend about Charles Darwin’s alledged deathbed conversion.

That’s what I learned from school, I may not have enough knowledge about Charles Darwin but I have knowledge about God unlike you.

 

[Akheron]

Also agree with me, that there are Universal absolute Truths. Not matter where you live, it is unjust to murder, you know that. But in a just was it is justified, acknowledge this as well. There ARE moral absolute truths.

Your sentence is a bit difficult to interpret so correct me if I am wrong. You are saying that it is ALWAYS unjust to murder, EXCEPT when it is just.

Does it sound reasonable to you?

 

[Akheron]

That’s what I learned from school, I may not have enough knowledge about Charles Darwin but I have knowledge about God unlike you.

Well, I congratulate you about your knowledge of God, but I nevertheless stand by my suggestion that you research the myth of Charles Darwin’s deathbed conversion, it would seem you might have been deceived on that point.

 

[Akheron]

Athiest are necesserially un happy just un-fufilled
.

You say that atheists are unfulfilled. It sounds to me like you are generalizing, maybe even indulging in passing judgement about people you don’t know.

But on the other hand maybe you have knowledge about the inner thoughts of each and every atheist on the planet, in which case I retract my statement and apologize.

 

[Tomster]

Of course not for reason and logic say the opposite. Reason and logic dictates we don’t have the evidence to form any such conclusions.

Puhlese!

Q. Does God exist?
A. God exists.

Q. Why do you say that God exists?
A. Because if God did not exist, nothing would exist.

Q. How do you prove that if God did not exist nothing would exist?
A. It is proved by this argument: That which exists through God only, would not exist if God did not exist. But whatever exists that is not God, exists through God only. Therefore, if God did not exist nothing would exist.

Q. But how do you prove that whatever exists that is not God, exists through God only?
A. By this argument: Final analysis shows that that which does not exist of itself, can only exist through some other which exists of itself; and this latter we call God. But whatever exists that is not God, does not exist of itself. Therefore final analysis shows that whatever exists that is not God, exists through God only.

Q. But how do you prove that whatever exists that is not God, does not exist of itself?
A. By this argument: That does not exist of itself, which has need of some other. But whatever exists that is not God, has need of some other. Therefore whatever exists that is not God, does not exist of itself.

Q. But why is it that whatsoever has need of another, does not exist of itself?
A. Because that which exists of itself, neither depends nor could it depend upon anything or anybody; on the other hand, whatever has need of something or somebody, depends upon this something or this somebody.

Q. But why do you assert that what exists of itself neither depends nor could depend on something or somebody?
A. Because, existing of itself, it has everything in itself and through itself, and can receive nothing either from anything or from anybody.

Q. Therefore every existing thing that has need from some other, manifestly proves by its very existence that God exists?
A. Yes. Every existing thing that has some need of other manifestly proves by its very existence that God exists.

Q. What then do those say who deny the existence of God?
A. They say that what has need of all has need of nothing, and conversely.

Q. But surely that is a contradiction?
A. Precisely; one cannot deny God without falling into contradiction.

Q. Is it then foolish to deny the existence of God?
A. Yes, it is indeed foolish to deny the existence of God.

 

[Angel7]

Your sentence is a bit difficult to interpret so correct me if I am wrong. You are saying that it is ALWAYS unjust to murder, EXCEPT when it is just.

Does it sound reasonable to you?

I agree, i didn’t say it correctly.
Here it is simple terms.
It is always Wrong to Kill, even soldiers suffer from psychological repurcussions because of war.
However when it is Justified, the penalty is lessened. If it were not lessened then that means, that we would be door mats, and evil could trample over us everytime.
its like this use Math.
-7 it is 7 BELOW 0 correct?
-9 it is 9 BELOW 0 correct?
Which is closer to 0? -7 is closer to the Posotive end of the Spectrum, then -9 is.
Thus Violence, is somethign onyl used as the LAST of LAST resorts. The Church teaches only in self defense must we fight back. After we have tried all other options. Even Then, however, we must be sure to use violence in porportion to what we are being attacked to.
If some one is going to mug you with a butter knife, you do not Pull out a gun in retaliation.
It is in Porportion to what we are fighting against. And is only as a last of last resorts.

 

[Angel7]

You say that atheists are unfulfilled. It sounds to me like you are generalizing, maybe even indulging in passing judgement about people you don’t know.

But on the other hand maybe you have knowledge about the inner thoughts of each and every atheist on the planet, in which case I retract my statement and apologize.

Well who else could fulfill you other then G-d?
What is it that Fulfills you? Pleasure? Work? Do these things fulfill you and give you purpose?
Seek G-d with your whole heart. Why wouldn’t you NOT want to believe in him, because he is there, just open the eyes of your heart. Seek him.

As it says in Scripture " 7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; those who seek find; and to those who knock, the door will be opened.

9 "Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

(I do not mean to judge you forgive me)
But think about it. Who can fulfill you more then G-d?

 

[Angel7]

Here is an interesting quote

“If there is no God, then all that exists is time and chance acting on matter. If this is true then the difference between your thoughts and mine correspond to the difference between shaking up a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of Dr. Pepper. You simply fizz atheistically and I fizz theistically. This means that you do not hold to atheism because it is true , but rather because of a series of chemical reactions… … Morality, tragedy, and sorrow are equally evanescent. They are all empty sensations created by the chemical reactions of the brain, in turn created by too much pizza the night before. If there is no God, then all abstractions are chemical epiphenomena, like swamp gas over fetid water. This means that we have no reason for assigning truth and falsity to the chemical fizz we call reasoning or right and wrong to the irrational reaction we call morality. If no God, mankind is a set of bi-pedal carbon units of mostly water. And nothing else.”

go to proofthatgodexists.org a very interesting site.

 

[Angel7]

My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such a violent reaction against it?.. Of course I could have given up my idea of justice by saying it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if i did that, then my argument against God collapsed too–for the argument depended on saying the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my fancies. Thus, in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist - in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless - I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality - namely my idea of justice - was full of sense. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never have known it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.

Another Quote from proof that God exists.org

you should see the favorite quotes section.
very informative.

 

[Akheron]

Well who else could fulfill you other then G-d?
What is it that Fulfills you? Pleasure? Work? Do these things fulfill you and give you purpose?

Why would I need purpose to feel fulfilled? I experience that I am living right now and I accept that someday I will die. The goals I set for myself are to live my life in the respect of myself and others and to experience the world as much as I can, also in the respect of myself and others. What more would I need to be happy?

Seek G-d with your whole heart. Why wouldn’t you NOT want to believe in him, because he is there, just open the eyes of your heart. Seek him.

Why would you NOT want to believe in Allah, or Zeus, or Apollo, or some other god that might give you the purpose you seek?

As it says in Scripture " 7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; those who seek find; and to those who knock, the door will be opened. 9 "Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

It sounds very nice, but it doesn’t seem to work for everyone. You should ask some starving Christian family somewhere in the world praying for God to help feed their children.

(I do not mean to judge you forgive me)

According to your religion, it isn’t me you should ask for forgiveness.

But think about it. Who can fulfill you more then G-d?

Have you ever stop to consider the possibility that not all non-believers are miserable, angry, sad beings who hate life?

 

[Akheron]

If there is no God, then all that exists is time and chance acting on matter.

Regardless of the presence or absence of God, all that exists is a whole universe in which human beings live and reflect on time and chance acting on matter.

You simply fizz atheistically and I fizz theistically. This means that you do not hold to atheism because it is true , but rather because of a series of chemical reactions… …

This also means that you do not hold to theism because it is true, but rather because of a series of chemical reactions.

Morality, tragedy, and sorrow are equally evanescent. They are all empty sensations created by the chemical reactions of the brain, in turn created by too much pizza the night before.

The mental experience of morality, tragedy and sorrow is the result of chemical reactions in the brain. The consequences of morality or lack thereof, of tragedy and of sorrow are very much tangible in the world.

If there is no God, then all abstractions are chemical epiphenomena, like swamp gas over fetid water. This means that we have no reason for assigning truth and falsity to the chemical fizz we call reasoning or right and wrong to the irrational reaction we call morality.

Everything that happens in your brain is the result of chemical and electrical activity, even your belief in God.

If no God, mankind is a set of bi-pedal carbon units of mostly water. And nothing else."

Even if God exists, human beings are bi-pedal carbon-based lifeforms made mostly of water, because that IS what we are and if you believe in God, you believe that He created us just the way we are.