Why are Baptists called Baptists?

[jlhargus]

One’s spiritual transformation does not start with the Public Profession of Faith.

JL: You are correct it begins with baptism. How public was the Ethiopian eunuch’s baptism?

[Rms 6:3 **KNOW YE NOT, THAT so many of us as were BAPTIZED INTO JESUS CHRIST were BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH? 4 Therefore we are BURIED WITH HIM BY BAPTISM INTO DEATH: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so WE ALSO SHOULD WALK IN NEWNESS OF LIFE. 5 For if we have been PLANTED TOGETHER IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS DEATH, we shall be ALSO IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS RESURRECTION: 6 Knowing this, that OUR OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM, that the body of sin might be destroyed, THAT henceforth WE SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN.]

**How are we complete in Christ? How are we circumcised without hands putting off the body of the sins of the flesh? What is the circumcision of Christ? How are we buried with him? How are we risen with him? **
[Col2:10 And YE ARE COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 IN WHOM also YE ARE CIRCUMCISED with the CIRCUMCISION MADE WITHOUT HANDS, in PUTTING OFF THE BODY OF THE SINS OF THE FLESH by the CIRCUMCISION OF CHRIST 12 BURIED WITH HIM **IN BAPTISM, wherein also ye are RISEN WITH HIM THROUGH the FAITH of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES.]

Eph 2:4 But GOD, who is RICH IN MERCY, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even WHEN WE WERE DEAD IN SINS, hath QUICKENED US TOGETHER WITH CHRIST, (by grace ye are saved 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Col2:12 BURIED WITH HIM IN BAPTISM, wherein also ye are RISEN WITH HIM THROUGH THE FAITH OF THE OPERATION OF GOD, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES.]

 

[jlhargus]

The spiritual transaction has already taken place by then, or else they have nothing to profess. The act of profession of the change of faith is what we call a Testimony of Salvation, and for many churches is mandatory before being a member of the church. Membership is only granted after Testimony has been shared and Baptism has taken place.
So in recap:

One is saved by an emotional transformation referred to as Salvation. This itself is enough to guarantee one into Heaven. If you want to be a member of a particular church and be able to receive communion, you must tell the congregation your Testimony of Salvation and then be received as a member granting all rights and privileges upon Baptism. When you are Baptized, you are received as a full member and are allowed to receive communion and vote in church matters.

JL: Peter tells us in [1Pt 1:23 For YOU HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN, NOT OF PERISHABLE SEED, but of imperishable, THROUGH the LIVING and enduring WORD OF GOD.] The word of God would be akin to the SEED of a man and the heart the egg of a woman, once the word penetrates the heart supernatural life or faith is conceived. Before we are born of the flesh, natural life must first be conceived thru the SEED of man and the EGG of woman. We are not born at that instant, but life IS conceived. We are born of that SEED only after we are conceived, and delivered at natural birth. Christian’s are conceived by the word=seed and born again and delivered thru water and the Spirit in baptism to supernatural life.

Our new supernatural life is conceived by the Holy Spirit thru the living seed of God’s word, which brings a living faith, through the working of the Holy Spirit. At that conception we have a decision to make, accept or reject, as God does not force. If we reject the gift of faith, we abort the new life. If we accept and repent, being baptized, for the remission of sins to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Then we are delivered, as a babe in Christ, being born again by water and the Spirit in baptism, Jn3:5, a child of God.

Remember Paul had a life changing encounter with Christ, yet he was told to be baptized and wash his sins away.

Act9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, WHAT WILT THOU HAVE ME TO DO? And THE LORD SAID unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and IT SHALL BE TOLD THEE WHAT THOU MUST DO

Acts9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, AND be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and HE RECEIVED SIGHT forthwith, AND arose, and WAS BAPTIZED.

[Acts22:12 And one **Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there, 13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him. 14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth. 15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. 16 AND now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and WASH AWAY THY SINS, calling on the name of the Lord.]

Paul received the Holy Spirit when he was baptized, as Peter said, REPENT, BE BAPTIZED, FOR REMISSION OF SINS, RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Sorry about the long posts, I just wanted to give you a different view of baptism. I could go on, but I know I can go overboard sometimes.

 

[theoldman]

jl: Peter tells us in [1pt 1:23 for you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of god.] the word of god would be akin to the seed of a man and the heart the egg of a woman, once the word penetrates the heart supernatural life or faith is conceived. Before we are born of the flesh, natural life must first be conceived thru the seed of man and the egg of woman. We are not born at that instant, but life is conceived. We are born of that seed only after we are conceived, and delivered at natural birth. Christian’s are conceived by the word=seed and born again and delivered thru water and the spirit in baptism to supernatural life.

Our new supernatural life is conceived by the holy spirit thru the living seed of god’s word, which brings a living faith, through the working of the holy spirit. At that conception we have a decision to make, accept or reject, as god does not force. If we reject the gift of faith, we abort the new life. If we accept and repent, being baptized, for the remission of sins to receive the gift of the holy spirit. Then we are delivered, as a babe in christ, being born again by water and the spirit in baptism, jn3:5, a child of god.

Remember paul had a life changing encounter with christ, yet he was told to be baptized and wash his sins away.

Act9:6 and he trembling and astonished said, lord, what wilt thou have me to do? and the lord said unto him, arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do

acts9:17 and ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, brother saul, the lord, even jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the holy ghost. 18 and immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: And he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

[acts22:12 and one **ananias

, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the jews which dwelt there, 13 came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, brother saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour i looked up upon him. 14 and he said, the god of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that just one, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth. 15 for thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. 16 and now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the lord.]

paul received the holy spirit when he was baptized, as peter said, repent, be baptized, for remission of sins, receive the holy spirit.

Sorry about the long posts, i just wanted to give you a different view of baptism. I could go on, but i know i can go overboard sometimes.

what does all that have to do with why baptist are called baptist?

 

[jrose90]

what does all that have to do with why baptist are called baptist?

I dunno, I appreciated the scriptural references for why Catholics believe what they believe, but like you said it is a little bit off topic.

Did I explain this sufficiently earlier regarding Baptist’s view of Baptism, I was wondering what another Baptist thought about it.

 

[jlhargus]

what does all that have to do with why baptist are called baptist?

JL: It was in answer to jrose’s post.

 

[Anna_Scott]

Ok. I’ve been raised in the Baptist church. 20 years, born, raised, and baptized. In my particular church, and every church attended, I’ve never heard of Christ performing the baptism. Christ performs the spiritual transformation of salvation, which is the only act that can guarantee a person entry into Heaven (baptism or no baptism). And you’re right, to refuse to be Baptized is very serious, but not enough in and of itself to deny one entry into Heaven. Heartfelt salvation is enough. End of story.
Baptism is only essential to be able to receive communion and to vote in church matters. Baptism is performed by a qualified and ordained preacher/pastor in the immersion style as representation of Christ’s death and resurrection. We are washed pure by Christ’s blood, and the baptism is the physical representation of that but it holds no spiritual transforming powers itself. One’s spiritual transformation does not start with the Public Profession of Faith. The spiritual transaction has already taken place by then, or else they have nothing to profess. The act of profession of the change of faith is what we call a Testimony of Salvation, and for many churches is mandatory before being a member of the church. Membership is only granted after Testimony has been shared and Baptism has taken place.
So in recap:
One is saved by an emotional transformation referred to as Salvation.
This itself is enough to guarantee one into Heaven.
If you want to be a member of a particular church and be able to receive communion, you must tell the congregation your Testimony of Salvation and then be received as a member granting all rights and privileges upon Baptism.
When you are Baptized, you are received as a full member and are allowed to receive communion and vote in church matters.

So for Baptists, the only things that require Baptism are communion and the ability to vote on church matters.

jrose90,

I grew up in Baptist Churches also. After reading the Bible cover to cover; I discovered many Baptist doctrines are not supported by Scripture. I urge you to read the New Testament all the way through. Things look very different when they are read in context. Our salvation is revealed throughout the O.T. and N.T.

It is heartbreaking to hear you say that salvation is an “emotional transformation.” What is your source for this belief? There is not one place in the New Testament that says salvation is an “emotional transformation.” And there is not one place in the N.T. that says this “emotional transformation” will guarantee a place in Heaven.

I urge you, with the greatest concern for your Christian journey, to re-evaluate your beliefs and why you hold them. It is so easy to be lead astray, even from the pulpits of Christian Churches.

In Christ,
Anna

 

[firstmode]

jrose90,

I grew up in Baptist Churches also. After reading the Bible cover to cover; I discovered many Baptist doctrines are not supported by Scripture. I urge you to read the New Testament all the way through. Things look very different when they are read in context. Our salvation is revealed throughout the O.T. and N.T.

It is heartbreaking to hear you say that salvation is an “emotional transformation.” What is your source for this belief? There is not one place in the New Testament that says salvation is an “emotional transformation.” And there is not one place in the N.T. that says this “emotional transformation” will guarantee a place in Heaven.

I urge you, with the greatest concern for your Christian journey, to re-evaluate your beliefs and why you hold them. It is so easy to be lead astray, even from the pulpits of Christian Churches.

In Christ,
Anna

I believe the Emotional or Inward belief or transformation is linked to this verse on many occasions:

Douay-Rheims Bible
For if thou confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him up from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For, with the heart, we believe unto justice; but, with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith: Whosoever believeth in him, shall not be confounded. For there is no distinction of the Jew and the Greek: for the same is Lord over all, rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord,** shall be saved.**

How then shall they call upon him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe on him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without one who preaches? And how shall they preach unless they be sent, as it is written: How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, of them that bring glad tidings of good things! But all do not obey the gospel. For Isaias saith: Lord, who hath believed our report? So faith then is by a report, but the report by God’s word.

 

[brb3]

I have been studying the scripture and I’ve been making progress on defining my own particular beliefs. I did not say that everything the Baptist church does or believes is in any way perfect, so please don’t jump to conclusions.

Sorry if i’m being overly sensitive on the subject and on your reactions, but after a month and a half on this site, I’ve noticed how Baptists are one of the more unwelcome denominations here

Just because I am Baptist does not mean that I’m ignorant of the Bible or of Catholic teachings.

Never accused you of ignorance … just my hunch you are not yet fully informed on Church history thru the ages. Being a former Baptist, I know I didn’t have a clue of church history til the Catholic brothers and reading up on Church history helped inform me.

You know however that the Baptist church came out of the Catholic church. Take it back that far … and then all the way back to the Apostles.

 

[theoldman]

jrose90,

I grew up in Baptist Churches also. ** After reading the Bible cover to cover; I discovered many Baptist doctrines are not supported by Scripture.** I urge you to read the New Testament all the way through. Things look very different when they are read in context. Our salvation is revealed throughout the O.T. and N.T.

It is heartbreaking to hear you say that salvation is an “emotional transformation.” What is your source for this belief? There is not one place in the New Testament that says salvation is an “emotional transformation.” And there is not one place in the N.T. that says this “emotional transformation” will guarantee a place in Heaven.

I urge you, with the greatest concern for your Christian journey, to re-evaluate your beliefs and why you hold them. It is so easy to be lead astray, even from the pulpits of Christian Churches.

In Christ,
Anna

I call myself theoldman because I am older than dirt. I became a Christain when cars still had running broads on them. So if a person read two or three chapters of the Bible every day over that period of time, maybe miss a few days along the way, how many times would they have read the Bible cover to cover. A couple of hundred times or maybe even a thousand? That is why I say the Bible is a Baptistic Book

 

[guanophore]

i wasnt aware that this particular thread was about whether or not baptists were right or wrong in their teachings. i was just trying to give my insight as to why we are called what we’re called.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

and i think you're taking the "government" comment too far. if anything resembles a government, its the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

This is certainly true. Jesus had the government laid upon His shoulder, and He appointed Apostles to shoulder it with Him, and they appointed successors, and so on.

I have been studying the scripture and I've been making progress on defining my own particular beliefs.

I know this question is off the subject, but where in Scripture or anywhere else do you get the idea this is the right approach?

usually the people wait till I ask questions to challenge my beliefs in a condescending way.

Yeah. Sorry. Sometimes we are like a pack of sharks that way. Please pray for us.

Baptists are one of the more unwelcome denominations here and I thought perhaps this was one thread that I could explain something about my church without being talked to in such a condescending manner.

Baptists are welcome. We are rather intolerant of the heretical views that have been embraced by Baptists, however, that is not an excuse for uncharitablel behavior.

I have found that there are many truths in the Catholic church, but there are also many things that I am still unsure about, so please do not assume that I am unversed in Scripture or that I haven’t made an attempt to study more. Just because I am Baptist does not mean that I’m ignorant of the Bible or of Catholic teachings.

We do often make this assumption, you are right. It is because we believe that, if a person is educated, of course they will become Catholic.

 

[Anna_Scott]

i wasnt aware that this particular thread was about whether or not baptists were right or wrong in their teachings. i was just trying to give my insight as to why we are called what we’re called.
and i think you’re taking the “government” comment too far. if anything resembles a government, its the hierarchy of the Catholic church.
I have been studying the scripture and I’ve been making progress on defining my own particular beliefs. I did not say that everything the Baptist church does or believes is in any way perfect, so please don’t jump to conclusions. I’ve found a lot of help, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, on this website, but usually the people wait till I ask questions to challenge my beliefs in a condescending way. Sorry if i’m being overly sensitive on the subject and on your reactions, but after a month and a half on this site, I’ve noticed how Baptists are one of the more unwelcome denominations here and I thought perhaps this was one thread that I could explain something about my church without being talked to in such a condescending manner. I have found that there are many truths in the Catholic church, but there are also many things that I am still unsure about, so please do not assume that I am unversed in Scripture or that I haven’t made an attempt to study more. Just because I am Baptist does not mean that I’m ignorant of the Bible or of Catholic teachings.

jrose90,

You seem to have a very kind spirit. There is some background information that may help you on the forums.

When I joined CAF, I was still in the Baptist Church. I was and still am going through a time of questioning.

I haven’t been on the forums long–just a little over a year. But, in that short time, I’ve seen some Baptists, and other Protestants, hit the forums with guns blazing—telling Catholics the error of their ways. Some only last a few days, believe it or not, because of hateful attacks on people, who disagreed with them.

There is a history in many, not all, Baptist Churches of openly declaring, often from the pulpits, that Catholics are not Christians. I had a bit of an attitude, myself, when I first came to the forums. Over time, I’ve developed a deep respect and appreciation for those in the Catholic faith. There are serious misconceptions about Catholics circulating in many Protestant circles.

Last year, while I was still a member of the Baptist Church; I was banned from a Baptist forum, on another website. They claimed I was a “Catholic troll” who lied about being a member of the Baptist Church, to join their Baptist forum to proselytize for the Catholic faith. The things they said to me and the hatred they poured out shook me to the core. All this happened, because I disagreed with their false assumptions about Catholics. Shortly after, I made a formal break with the Baptist Church.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that there is a history of Baptist hatred toward Catholics. Again, this is not all Baptists. I have Baptist friends who are truly devoted to our Savior, and respect our Catholic brethren. Sadly, that is not always the case.

I hope this little bit of background is helpful. These are wonderful forums.

I know this is a huge sidebar—my apologies to the OP.

In Christ,
Anna

 

[jlhargus]

I believe the Emotional or Inward belief or transformation is linked to this verse on many occasions:

Douay-Rheims Bible
For if thou confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him up from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For, with the heart, we believe unto justice; but, with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith: Whosoever believeth in him, shall not be confounded. For there is no distinction of the Jew and the Greek: for the same is Lord over all, rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord,** shall be saved.**

How then shall they call upon him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe on him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without one who preaches? And how shall they preach unless they be sent, as it is written: How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, of them that bring glad tidings of good things! But all do not obey the gospel. For Isaias saith: Lord, who hath believed our report? So faith then is by a report, but the report by God’s word.

JL: What you call emotional inward belief or transformation, Act2:37 calls being pricked, pierced or cut to the heart. After HEARING THE WORD and being pierced to the heart those people wanted to know what they should do. Peter didn’t say, since you believe in your heart, all you need to do is confess with your mouth, that’s it. No, Peter said REPENT, BE BAPTIZED, FOR REMISSION OF SINS, RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[MK16:16 He that BELIEVETH and is BAPTIZED shall be SAVED but he that believeth not shall be damned.]

[Acts2:37 Now WHEN THEY HEARD this, **THEY WERE PRICKED IN THEIR HEART, AND SAID unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, WHAT SHALL WE DO? 38 Then PETER SAID unto them, REPENT, and BE BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and ye shall RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. THE PROMISE IS UNTO YOU, AND TO YOUR CHILDREN

I have been Catholic for thirty some years, but I too was born again as an adult, baptized at age 27, 2am, March 3rd in a river, with snow flurries coming down. At baptism I was born again or from above by water and of the Spirit, as our Lord tells is in Jn3:5. At baptism I received remission of sins and the indwelling Holy Spirit. [Titus:3:5 NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done, **BUT according to HIS MERCY HE SAVED US, BY the WASHING OF REGENERATION, and RENEWING OF THE HOLY GHOST; 6 Which he SHED ON US abundantly THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR;]

In baptism I was, 1Cor6:11 And such were some of you: but YE ARE WASHED, but ye are SANCTIFIED, but ye are JUSTIFIED in the NAME of the Lord JESUS, AND by the SPIRIT OF OUR GOD.]

In baptism my old man was crucified with Christ, and raised in newness of life, [Rms 6:3 KNOW YE NOT, THAT so many of us as were BAPTIZED INTO JESUS CHRIST were BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH? 4 Therefore we are BURIED WITH HIM BY BAPTISM INTO DEATH: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so WE ALSO SHOULD WALK IN NEWNESS OF LIFE. 5 For if we have been PLANTED TOGETHER IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS DEATH, we shall be ALSO IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS RESURRECTION: 6 Knowing this, that OUR OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM, that the body of sin might be destroyed, THAT henceforth WE SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN.]

In baptism I am complete in Christ, I am circumcised, forgiven all trespasses, [Col2:10 And YE ARE COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 IN WHOM also YE ARE CIRCUMCISED with the CIRCUMCISION MADE WITHOUT HANDS, in PUTTING OFF THE BODY OF THE SINS OF THE FLESH by the CIRCUMCISION OF CHRIST 12 BURIED WITH HIM **IN BAPTISM, wherein also ye are RISEN WITH HIM THROUGH the FAITH of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES.]

Eph 4:4 There is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in ONE HOPE of your calling; 5 ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, 6 ONE GOD and Father of all, who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU ALL. It is though baptism God indwell his people. [Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and BE BAPTIZED, and WASH AWAY THY SINS, calling on the name of the Lord.]

Phil 3:3 For WE ARE THE CIRCUMCISION, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

[1Jn 1:12 But AS MANY AS RECEIVED HIM, to them GAVE HE POWER TO BECOME THE SONS OF GOD, even to them THAT BELIEVE on his name: 13 WHICH WERE BORN, NOT OF BLOOD, NOR of the will of THE FLESH, NOR of the WILL OF MAN, BUT OF GOD.] Those who receive Him, He gives the power to become sons of God through baptism.

[Gal 3:26 For YE ARE all the CHILDREN OF GOD by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For **AS MANY of you AS HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED into Christ HAVE PUT ON CHRIST.] If we put on Christ then we are IN CHRIST and a NEW CREATURE.

2Cor5:17 Therefore IF ANY MAN BE IN CHRIST, HE IS A NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 

[jlhargus]

jrose90,

You seem to have a very kind spirit. There is some background information that may help you on the forums.

When I joined CAF, I was still in the Baptist Church. I was and still am going through a time of questioning.

I haven’t been on the forums long–just a little over a year. But, in that short time, I’ve seen some Baptists, and other Protestants, hit the forums with guns blazing—telling Catholics the error of their ways. Some only last a few days, believe it or not, because of hateful attacks on people, who disagreed with them.

There is a history in many, not all, Baptist Churches of openly declaring, often from the pulpits, that Catholics are not Christians. I had a bit of an attitude, myself, when I first came to the forums. Over time, I’ve developed a deep respect and appreciation for those in the Catholic faith. There are serious misconceptions about Catholics circulating in many Protestant circles.

Last year, while I was still a member of the Baptist Church; I was banned from a Baptist forum, on another website. They claimed I was a “Catholic troll” who lied about being a member of the Baptist Church, to join their Baptist forum to proselytize for the Catholic faith. The things they said to me and the hatred they poured out shook me to the core. All this happened, because I disagreed with their false assumptions about Catholics. Shortly after, I made a formal break with the Baptist Church.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that there is a history of Baptist hatred toward Catholics. Again, this is not all Baptists. I have Baptist friends who are truly devoted to our Savior, and respect our Catholic brethren. Sadly, that is not always the case.

I hope this little bit of background is helpful. These are wonderful forums.

I know this is a huge sidebar—my apologies to the OP.

In Christ,
Anna

JL: Well said:thumbsup:, as a convert I know of the many misconceptions of the Catholic faith. I will be praying for you.

 

[brb3]

what does all that have to do with why baptist are called baptist?

You tell us OldMan. Is Baptism essential in your understanding of scripture ? One of your Baptist brethren here has stated that Baptism is not essential for Salvation … that we are ‘washed’ in blood of lamb by faith alone.

How do you read Rev. 7:14 … “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have WASHED THEIR ROBES AND MADE THEM WHITE IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB.”

Does this not refer to role of Baptism in washing of sin … and bringing about Salvation via Christ’s passion and resurrection ?

 

[jrose90]

jrose90,

You seem to have a very kind spirit. There is some background information that may help you on the forums.

When I joined CAF, I was still in the Baptist Church. I was and still am going through a time of questioning.

I haven’t been on the forums long–just a little over a year. But, in that short time, I’ve seen some Baptists, and other Protestants, hit the forums with guns blazing—telling Catholics the error of their ways. Some only last a few days, believe it or not, because of hateful attacks on people, who disagreed with them.

There is a history in many, not all, Baptist Churches of openly declaring, often from the pulpits, that Catholics are not Christians. I had a bit of an attitude, myself, when I first came to the forums. Over time, I’ve developed a deep respect and appreciation for those in the Catholic faith. There are serious misconceptions about Catholics circulating in many Protestant circles.

Last year, while I was still a member of the Baptist Church; I was banned from a Baptist forum, on another website. They claimed I was a “Catholic troll” who lied about being a member of the Baptist Church, to join their Baptist forum to proselytize for the Catholic faith. The things they said to me and the hatred they poured out shook me to the core. All this happened, because I disagreed with their false assumptions about Catholics. Shortly after, I made a formal break with the Baptist Church.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that there is a history of Baptist hatred toward Catholics. Again, this is not all Baptists. I have Baptist friends who are truly devoted to our Savior, and respect our Catholic brethren. Sadly, that is not always the case.

I hope this little bit of background is helpful. These are wonderful forums.

I know this is a huge sidebar—my apologies to the OP.

In Christ,
Anna

Anna,
Thank you so much for your comments. My immediate family is Baptist (grandparents, and my mother and me) but my grandfather’s sister and brother in law are Polish Catholic, so I’ve always been raised to respect all faiths. Sadly, you are right, and many Baptists (I’ve heard it myself, but never at my home church) are very very harsh in their views of the Catholic Church. I’ve always been fascinated with it, and taught to respect it although I may not agree with some of the particular details.I know that there are things wrong with my church. But I’m still not sure what the right ways are exactly. Although it may the Catholic Church, I’m not quite convinced. I’m slowly getting more accustomed to the idea, but as I’m sure you understand, it takes time and a lot of prayer. I appreciate the kind words from people like yourself and the prayers that I hope you guys are saying for me.
You mentioned you are still questioning some things, would it be rude of me to ask what those things might be, and how you are getting through it? I feel like we may be in a similar boat.
Thank you

[and yes, sorry to the OP for venturing into our own side discussion about my original comment ]

 

[jlhargus]

Anna,
Thank you so much for your comments. My immediate family is Baptist (grandparents, and my mother and me) but my grandfather’s sister and brother in law are Polish Catholic, so I’ve always been raised to respect all faiths. Sadly, you are right, and many Baptists (I’ve heard it myself, but never at my home church) are very very harsh in their views of the Catholic Church. I’ve always been fascinated with it, and taught to respect it although I may not agree with some of the particular details.I know that there are things wrong with my church. But I’m still not sure what the right ways are exactly. Although it may the Catholic Church, I’m not quite convinced. I’m slowly getting more accustomed to the idea, but as I’m sure you understand, it takes time and a lot of prayer. I appreciate the kind words from people like yourself and the prayers that I hope you guys are saying for me.
You mentioned you are still questioning some things, would it be rude of me to ask what those things might be, and how you are getting through it? I feel like we may be in a similar boat.
Thank you

[and yes, sorry to the OP for venturing into our own side discussion about my original comment ]

JL: Jrose I will add you to my pray list also. Yes converting does take time and much pray and study. I was lucky it only took me little over a year others can take years. If I can answer any questions for you feel free to PM me.

 

[NeedImprovement]

It is plausible that the name “Baptist” is connected historically to “Anabaptists”. I happened to run across this the other day when I was cross referencing “anabaptist” .

It’s taken from Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.'s ***Modern Catholic Dictionary ***at this link

therealpresence.org/dictionary/adict.htm

ANABAPTISTS.

Protestant groups that appeared at Zwickau in Switzerland as early as 1521. Their principal tenets were that: 1. the baptism of infants is unbiblical, 2. only adults should be baptized as a sign of Christian belief, 3. primitive Christianity should be restored, notably through the abolition of oaths, capital punishment, and the magistracy, 4. a new kingdom of God on communitarian grounds should be founded. The Anabaptists principles were later adopted by the Baptists, their lineal descendants.

That being said/posted, my best friend is a Baptist and I have no intention of letting him know the above (he’s doing just fine without it).

 

[Anna_Scott]

. . . . .You mentioned you are still questioning some things, would it be rude of me to ask what those things might be, and how you are getting through it? I feel like we may be in a similar boat.
Thank you

jrose,

I just sent you a PM.

Anna

 

[theoldman]

jrose90,

You seem to have a very kind spirit. There is some background information that may help you on the forums.

When I joined CAF, I was still in the Baptist Church. I was and still am going through a time of questioning.

I haven’t been on the forums long–just a little over a year. But, in that short time, I’ve seen some Baptists, and other Protestants, hit the forums with guns blazing—telling Catholics the error of their ways. Some only last a few days, believe it or not, because of hateful attacks on people, who disagreed with them.

There is a history in many, not all, Baptist Churches of openly declaring, often from the pulpits, that Catholics are not Christians. I had a bit of an attitude, myself, when I first came to the forums. Over time, I’ve developed a deep respect and appreciation for those in the Catholic faith. There are serious misconceptions about Catholics circulating in many Protestant circles.

Last year, while I was still a member of the Baptist Church; I was banned from a Baptist forum, on another website. They claimed I was a “Catholic troll” who lied about being a member of the Baptist Church, to join their Baptist forum to proselytize for the Catholic faith. The things they said to me and the hatred they poured out shook me to the core. All this happened, because I disagreed with their false assumptions about Catholics. Shortly after, I made a formal break with the Baptist Church.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that there is a history of Baptist hatred toward Catholics. Again, this is not all Baptists. I have Baptist friends who are truly devoted to our Savior, and respect our Catholic brethren. Sadly, that is not always the case.

I hope this little bit of background is helpful. These are wonderful forums.

I know this is a huge sidebar—my apologies to the OP.

In Christ,
Anna

Dear Anna
I have been on this forum off and on for several year. You say that there is a history of Baptist hatred toward Catholics. If you stay on this forum long enough you will find that there are a lot of Catholics that also have a strong hatred for protestants and in partictuler Baptist

 

[rtconstant]

The reason they’re called Baptists is because a corner stone of their belief was a baptism by full emersion (no other form was valid), and unless one had already been baptized in this fashion then they needed to be “re-baptized”. Some have associated them with the Anabaptist movement but I’ve never really seen that connection. The Baptist movement as we know it began with John Smythe an Anglican priest who escaped with others of like mind to the Netherlands during the so-called English Reformation.

Soon the paleo-Baptists (my just made up term), split into two camps. Particular Baptists believed in the doctrine of Eternal Security, but who also held to the idea that only a select or “particular” portion of human was selected for salvation. The second camp was the General Baptists who believed that salvation could be loss through one’s own will, but that the gift of Grace was open to all. These two groups further separated into splinter groups (Freewill, Primitive, Missionary, Hardshell etc.) and many are still in existence today.

Eventually a sect rose in the US which was an amalgam of the two philosophies of the original paleo-Baptist split. Salvation was secure, but also open to all. This “Baptist Church” became very successful in the US until the Civil War, at which point they split to into the Northern Baptists (abolitionist), and the Southern Baptist (pro-slavery). The Northen Baptist denomination still exists but went into severe decline, The Southern Baptist Church however experienced a great explosion of membership and became the largest “Baptist” sect and I believe for at least a time was the largest Protestant (or neo-protestant) sect in the world.

The Southern Baptist denomination is now in decline however because of a mixture, of losing people to the various Pentecostal movements, or to the non-denominational movements. In reaction to this, a trend began where Southern Baptist Churches stopped calling themselves Southern Baptist and instead take on non-denominational branding, which of course is also added to the general decline in the parent denomination.