Why are catholics allowed to eat meat?

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PaulDupre said:
Notice that in Genesis, God commanded Noah to take one male-female pair or each animal, except the “clean” animals (the ones the Jews were allowed to eat). Of those animals, Noah was commanded to take seven pairs into the ark.

So it is obvious that God was preparing to have more clean than unclean animals after the flood to provide food for mankind.

Since, from the time of Cain and Abel, lambs were sacrificed, it is clear that killing animals was nothing new. But perhaps eating them was something new… I’ll ask Jesus when I get there.

God bless,
Paul
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To provide for sacrifices. Since unlcean and clean animals seem to have prospered equally after the flood, it seems that the need for 7 pairs was for immediate use. There’s no indication that Noah’s family was starving, so I think this would imply that the immediate use was for sacrifices.

Jews were NOT allowed to eat any meat prior to the flood. It is only after the flood that God sets forth the law allowing us to eat meat. The term “clean animals” could only refer to animals that were permitted to be used as sacrifices. Or it is evidence of an anachronism.
 
Someone forgot to tell lions and tigers they cant eat zebras because they are God’s creatures and made out of meat.

Maybe Roy told his white tiger the truth and thats why it got so upset with him. Just a theory…🙂
 
We should stop replying to his threads since he opens them and then never responds .:whacky:
That’s my thought
 
When Jesús presided at the Last Supper, it was a Passover celebration. This traditional meal includes meat, does it not?
If my Lord could eat meat, He would not deny it to the rest of us.
 
mystified said:
When Jesús presided at the Last Supper, it was a Passover celebration. This traditional meal includes meat, does it not?
If my Lord could eat meat, He would not deny it to the rest of us.
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About a year ago, on TBN I saw Lee Stossel (spell?) host an echange between a representative of PETA and some Protestant minister. The Peta rep tried to claim Jesus was a vegetarian–to which the Minister shot back ridiculous–Jeus was a Jew, observed Jewish law, ordered his disciples to prepare the Passover meal, where Lamb is MANDATORY and so it the eating of it. The PETA rep’s expression just sort of froze as he waffled through the rest of the "exchange’
 
mystified said:
When Jesús presided at the Last Supper, it was a Passover celebration. This traditional meal includes meat, does it not?
If my Lord could eat meat, He would not deny it to the rest of us.
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About a year ago, on TBN I saw Lee Strobel host an exchange between a representative of PETA and some Protestant minister. The PETA rep tried to claim Jesus was a vegetarian–to which the Minister shot back ridiculous–Jesus was a Jew, observed Jewish law, ordered his (Jewish)disciples to prepare the Passover meal, where Lamb is MANDATORY and so it the eating of it. The PETA rep’s expression just sort of froze as he waffled through the rest of the "exchange’
 
Not only that, but after Our Lord’s resurrection, he ate fish:
41 Still they stood there in disbelief, filled with joy and wonder. Then he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he ate it as they watched. - (Luke 24:41-43)
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God bless,
Paul
 
Just for the sake of balance, I would like to say something in favout of preferring vegetables over meat. We believe in the sanctity of life and somehow it feels better to kill an eggplant over Bambi’s mother. And on that principle, I can see some sort of point. There will be a time when the Lion will lie down with the Lamb and then maybe we can live a more ideal life. But for now, it’s eat or be eaten.
 
rmcmullan said:
Just for the sake of balance, I would like to say something in favout of preferring vegetables over meat. We believe in the sanctity of life and somehow it feels better to kill an eggplant over Bambi’s mother. And on that principle, I can see some sort of point. There will be a time when the Lion will lie down with the Lamb and then maybe we can live a more ideal life. But for now, it’s eat or be eaten.
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In the spirit of compromise, how about venecin stuffed with egglplant and riccota cheese?
 
Keep in mind, that may things have changed since Jesus ate meat back then. Back then, animals were not kept in dark stalls, standing/lying in their own excrement, unable to turn around. Back then, animals were not given artificial hormones and drugs just so they produce more eggs and milk. They were not artificially inseminated and their young locked in crates. If it is not ok for us to use artificial means ro reproduce, why is it ok for us to use artificial means to make animals reproduce?
Do you seriously think that He is ok with the torture and exploitation of his creatures in slaughterhouses, simply because of vanity? Because people only want meat because it tastes good and nothing else? Meat is in no way necessary for our nutrition. Before you get all defensive do some research. That is all I ask. Learn what is really being done to those creatures, just because you like the taste of their flesh. Learn what is happening in regards to pollution and world hunger because of that.
Animals are sentient. They feel, they fear, they suffer. It is our responsibility to protect those that cannot protect themselves. It is out pbligation to respect God’s creation and His creatures. No one says it was wrong back then for Jesus to have eaten meat. His meat did not come from a filthy slaughterhouse where animals are treated like mere objects.

Does anyone have pets? Would you leave your dog licked in a tiny crate, so he couldn’t move, and had to lie in his own feces and urine, and not feed him? Then why do you partake in doing it to other animals just because at some point they were deemed “food” rather than domestic?
There was a time when it was needed to take food from animals. That time is well over. We have the scientific and nutritional knowledge of that now.

again, all I ask is please be informed of vegetarianism and all it’s reasons (there are many) before judging it and getting defensive.
goveg.com/factoryFarming.asp
all-creatures.org/cva/honoring.htm
all-creatures.org/cva/vegbenefits.htm
jesusveg.com/popular.html
 
Fidelia, you do have a valid point and I do respect it. I am a little hesitant in saying that because I am afraid of the people who take it too far. This is my personal opinion but I think PETA is one step away from being a terrorist group. However, yes, animals are sentinent beings and we should be kind to them. It really bothers me when I see people in a park killing a snake. Kidness is a virtue and kidness to animals is a virtue too. And you’re probably right, that the greatest unkindness is in commercial ventures. So I do agree with you and think you make a good point.
 
Thanks. But I never said I supported PETA. While they may say or do some objectionable things, that does not mean that they don’t present valid information, which they most certainly do. It is a fact that animals are tortured horribly in slaughterhouses. And it is all needless. As Catholics I feel we need to stand up and say, We will not tolerate this wrong-doing.
Even eating less meat makes a difference. Especially for your health. If you do eat meat, the helathiest amount is 2-3 times a week, not 2-3 times a day. Try new things, foods from different places. Some families begin by having “meetless mondays” or something like that. It is so surprising how much is out there that is delicious without any animal products at all. And it is so rewarding to know that you are acting ethically to the best of your ability, and also for your health. We are talking simple ethics here. And simple lifestyle changes. Just be willing to try. Be openminded to different tastes. I felt so much closer to God when I stopped eating his creatures. and I never thought I could stop either. Believe it or not, before I knew about what goes on, I had a friend who was vegetarian. I actually thoght it was stupid. I know how it feels to not want to believe the horrible things that are done. But it is an unpleasant truth that must be acknowledged.
Please consider just giving it a try, even little by little. It took me months. Even try just stopping eating red meat, the most unhealthy of meats, and veal, the most unethical.
I am not trying to make anyone feel bad, I just want to help you inform yourselves.
As Catholics we are supposed to examine our consciences.
If you are interested in learning about a healthier and more ethical way of eating, please feel free to PM me.
 
xplo1t said:
Aren’t the animals on earth created by God? Then why are human beings allowed to take another living creature’s life just because of the human enjoys the taste it or whatever? In buddism, they teach how people can live peacely and not eat animals (not even diary products).
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Don’t you think God created vegetables? 🙂
Didn’t Jesus eat fish?
 
Vegetables are not sentient. Even if they were, if you wish to use that arguement, at least eating vegetables directly uses much less of them than feeding them to animals to be slaughtered does, you get far more nutrients directly from vegetables than from vegetables converted into meat. That only creates pollution and waste, as well as suffering and sickness.

Jesus also used his saliva to cure someone. Does that mean we should spit at people less fortunate than we are??
 
Fidelia said:
Thanks. But I never said I supported PETA. While they may say or do some objectionable things, that does not mean that they don’t present valid information, which they most certainly do. It is a fact that animals are tortured horribly in slaughterhouses. And it is all needless. As Catholics I feel we need to stand up and say, We will not tolerate this wrong-doing.
Even eating less meat makes a difference. Especially for your health. If you do eat meat, the helathiest amount is 2-3 times a week, not 2-3 times a day. Try new things, foods from different places. Some families begin by having “meetless mondays” or something like that. It is so surprising how much is out there that is delicious without any animal products at all. And it is so rewarding to know that you are acting ethically to the best of your ability, and also for your health. We are talking simple ethics here. And simple lifestyle changes. Just be willing to try. Be openminded to different tastes. I felt so much closer to God when I stopped eating his creatures. and I never thought I could stop either. Believe it or not, before I knew about what goes on, I had a friend who was vegetarian. I actually thoght it was stupid. I know how it feels to not want to believe the horrible things that are done. But it is an unpleasant truth that must be acknowledged.
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Wow, you’ve managed to do something nobody else has ever done here at the Catholics forums: persuade me! I like the idea of a meatless Monday. And I think your reasons are good.

I guess you know that Catholics used to (at least when I was a kid) refrain from eating meat on Fridays. Many cafeterias still offer a fish dish on Friday because of this old tradition (I know fish is meat to some). Or maybe it was only the first Friday of the month? Anyone remember? Also, Seventh Day Adventists and Mormons allow eating meat but urge moderation. So you do have some support for your position.
 
I almost forgot this story from Daniel 1:
8 ¶ But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.
9 Now God had brought Daniel into favour and tender love with the prince of the eunuchs.
10 And the prince of the eunuchs said unto Daniel, I fear my lord the king, who hath appointed your meat and your drink: for why should he see your faces worse liking than the children which are of your sort? then shall ye make me endanger my head to the king.
11 Then said Daniel to Melzar, whom the prince of the eunuchs had set over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah,
12 Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink.
13 Then let our countenances be looked upon before thee, and the countenance of the children that eat of the portion of the king’s meat: and as thou seest, deal with thy servants.
14 So he consented to them in this matter, and proved them ten days.
15 And at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king’s meat.
16 Thus Melzar took away the portion of their meat, and the wine that they should drink; and gave them pulse.
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I am pretty sure Pulse is vegetables.
 
rmcmullan said:
Wow, you’ve managed to do something nobody else has ever done here at the Catholics forums: persuade me! I like the idea of a meatless Monday. And I think your reasons are good.

I guess you know that Catholics used to (at least when I was a kid) refrain from eating meat on Fridays. Many cafeterias still offer a fish dish on Friday because of this old tradition (I know fish is meat to some). Or maybe it was only the first Friday of the month? Anyone remember? Also, Seventh Day Adventists and Mormons allow eating meat but urge moderation. So you do have some support for your position.
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Good luck with your meatless monday decision. If you need any suggestions or help pm me. There are a number of things used for protein other than meat.
Eating fish (which is meat objectively) on fridays was out of tradition, but not as a way of “not eating meat” because it is. I have heard that it was every friday at one time. And during Lent I think. But I am not old enough to ‘remember’ the rule itself. But I know of it. It doesn’t carry much weight anymore at all though. Just my observation. My diocese has a sad tradition of giving a dispensation when St. Pat’s falls on a Friday in Lent.
 
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