Why are Catholics are against Gay couples adopting?

[Wowbagger]

Having cleared things out. I would like to add that I am homosexual. and I am asking people in this forum to reason with me, and not to give me a smart Alec response, because I am very sincere in what I have to say…

I was raised as a Catholic, and I struggled tremendously with my feelings, and I did not accept them at all. Now I want to live my life. Getting married to a woman is not an option for me for the reasons I stated above. I find it tremendously difficult to go through my life without love. I hope that you understand that part. What would you suggest?

In all sincerity, and with compassion toward you and your sufferings (which I have witnessed in my gay Catholic friends here in meatspace, and which pain me greatly), you should start a new thread to discuss this topic. This thread is about same-sex adoption and Catholic teaching, and it accepts Catholic teaching as a premise. If you want to discuss the Catholic disposition toward homosexuality in general, that’s a separate subject, and it would be impolite to derail this thread with that new discussion.

For what it’s worth, while I think the teachings are accurate, reasonable, and revealed by the Holy Spirit, I do not think the Catholic Church has so far done a very good job demonstrating to 21st homosexuals how they are supposed to be able to live in accord with the teachings. This has happened before, in other eras with other groups, and the need has always been fulfilled by great saints, who serve as role models for the whole Church by their examples of self-sacrifice and total devotion to Christ. There is a tremendous need today for homosexual saints. I encourage you, in all seriousness, to prayerfully pursue sainthood, for the sake of those future generations.

 

[Joe_5859]

Before we can ask why Catholics are against gay couples adopting children, we should understand that most major religions, if not all, are against gay couples to begin with. It is stated very clearly in the scripture, Old Testament and New Testament, that homosexual acts are against God. Period end of discussion. This is what the answer is, if you’re truly looking for an answer.

Having cleared things out. I would like to add that I am homosexual. and I am asking people in this forum to reason with me, and not to give me a smart Alec response, because I am very sincere in what I have to say.

I sincerely tell you that I did not chose my sexuality. Which means, as early as I had feelings, even before I had any idea what homosexuality really meant, I felt attracted to men, and I never ever was attracted to women. It has absolutely nothing to do with what women did or failed to do that created my lack of attraction towards them. I am able to recognize that quite many women are very nice looking, but still that does not ignite an attraction to me. My feelings towards other men are TO ME as “natural” as are the feelings of other men towards women.

I was raised as a Catholic, and I struggled tremendously with my feelings, and I did not accept them at all. Now I want to live my life. Getting married to a woman is not an option for me for the reasons I stated above. I find it tremendously difficult to go through my life without love. I hope that you understand that part. What would you suggest?

Welcome to CAF!

I appreciate your politness and sincerity.

My suggestion would be to seek counsel from your priest and/or the Courage apostolate. They would be in a much better position to offer you useful advice as they have no doubt fielded this question many times before. Us anonymous internet people sometimes don’t articulate things the best way.

It’s your cross to carry, no doubt. I won’t feign to tell you it’s going to be easy. We all have our crosses to carry. Thanks be to God that we have a Savior to help us carry them. That’s really the basic answer. We all have a thirst for love. It’s part of what it means to be human. It’s how we were made. But God is the only one who can quench that thirst because He is Love.

I will keep you in my prayers. Please pray for me, too.

 

[cradlecatholic5]

Mercy me!

 

[CrimsonThorn]

I’m sure that children who face hunger and need a family won’t care if the couples are gay if they are treating them well.

Here’s a good speech.
youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO-sObzQ

Drug addicted/alcholic parents can also care for children who face hunger and can give them a roof over their heads. Does that make that a good environment all of a sudden?

 

[lizaanne]

We are putting children at risk by forcing them to live in a home where the common daily occurrence is a life of mortal sin. They are living with a couple of adults who have made it their life choice to live in that state of sin, to be “proud” of it, and to act as if there is nothing wrong. This is confusing and misleading for children.

I also do not see how it is possible for a child of a gay couple to ever become Catholic, even as an adult. They will never learn the teaching of the Church, never be taught about the fullness of Faith because their “parents” certainly don’t believe it or live by it. So as Catholics, we would certainly not want children to live in a situation like this. (Please don’t compare to a non-Christian home - this is only in the context of gay couples. No tangents!!)

~Liza

 

[fix]

I’m sure that children who face hunger and need a family won’t care if the couples are gay if they are treating them well.

Here’s a good speech.
youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO-sObzQ

Is that the real choice? No.

 

[User124]

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Drug addicted/alcholic parents can also care for children who face hunger and can give them a roof over their heads. Does that make that a good environment all of a sudden?

You could say the same thing about atheists, muslims, pagans, poor people, actors raising children. ( as not good environment for some of these categories to raise children).

All of these families have their influences on children, and many of these children might be taught things against Catholicism, do you stand against their rights of having children simply because the children are be raised in another environment, even that they are treated fine?

If homosexuals are treating their children fine, caring for them, loving them, where’s the problem?

 

[fix]

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You could say the same thing about atheists, muslims, pagans, poor people, actors raising children. ( as not good environment for some of these categories to raise children).

All of these families have their influences on children, and many of these children might be taught things against Catholicism, do you stand against their rights of having children simply because the children are be raised in another environment, even that they are treated fine?

If homosexuals are treating their children fine, caring for them, loving them, where’s the problem?

None of those groups are the equivalent of same sex persons posing as mother and father.

What is fine, caring, and loving?

 

[User124]

None of those groups are the equivalent of same sex persons posing as mother and father.

What is fine, caring, and loving?

So those who are raised by 1 parent are living in a bad environment? Not all families include 1 mother, 1 father.

 

[fix]

So those who are raised by 1 parent are living in a bad environment? Not all families include 1 mother, 1 father.

One parent is not bad. Two same sex persons acting as mother and father is quite a different issue.

 

[fix]

Why is that? It’s never been explained to me. I don’t know to what extent “Gays cannot adopt” is the official catholic position but is there any reason to believe it hurts the child? Is there any evidence it turns them Gay? And what is to be said of those statements that we should kidnap the children of Gay couples? goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2012/08/bryan-fischer-continues-to-suggest-kidnapping-gay-peoples-kids-any-of-you-values-folks-care-to-say-something.html

I would bet if robots could be substituted as parents people would support that idea. I think they view everything as a social construct that does not matter.

 

[CrimsonThorn]

So those who are raised by 1 parent are living in a bad environment? Not all families include 1 mother, 1 father.

If a heterosexual couple was unfit to care for children, I wouldnt consider that a good environment either.

Again, the fact that there is nothing loving or caring about homosexual parenthood shows that this would not be a good environment.

If you truly are loving and caring, you would want the child to be in the best environment possible, even if its not with you. That is true love. Homosexuals dont care about this though, they have no urge to be parents since the very nature of their attraction shows their true urge is to be sterile, they just want to adopt kids to fulfill their own emptiness. Bad reason.

 

[Elizabeth502]

I’m sure that children who face hunger and need a family won’t care if the couples are gay if they are treating them well.

Here’s a good speech.
youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO-sObzQ

I’m sure that children who are forced into confusing environments and needed and deserved a normal family will care and have cared if the couples are gay, regardless of how “well” they are treated.

There’s no supposition involved, as here’s a good speech:
catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=15172

“To most outside observers, I was a well-raised, high-achieving child, finishing high school with straight A’s,” he recounts. “Inside, however, I was confused. When your home life is so drastically different from everyone around you, in a fundamental way striking at basic physical relations, you grow up weird. I have no mental health disorders or biological conditions. I just grew up in a house so unusual that I was destined to exist as a social outcast.”

 

[Nicea325]

Why is that? It’s never been explained to me. I don’t know to what extent “Gays cannot adopt” is the official catholic position but is there any reason to believe it hurts the child? Is there any evidence it turns them Gay? And what is to be said of those statements that we should kidnap the children of Gay couples? goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2012/08/bryan-fischer-continues-to-suggest-kidnapping-gay-peoples-kids-any-of-you-values-folks-care-to-say-something.html

Its got nothing to do with a child becoming gay,but moreover, there is a logical reason why God created man and woman. Likewise, I have friend who is gay and has told me countless times, gay people usually do not have long lasting relationships. Yes,the same could be said about straight couples,but the difference is that in situtation its involves the same gender. What about days like Mother’s Day? What reason do two gay men tell a young girl? Do gays ever take into consideration how their child could be mocked at school? Is that a healthy environment for a child? Gays should NOT be raising children!

 

[robwar]

Before we can ask why Catholics are against gay couples adopting children, we should understand that most major religions, if not all, are against gay couples to begin with. It is stated very clearly in the scripture, Old Testament and New Testament, that homosexual acts are against God. Period end of discussion. This is what the answer is, if you’re truly looking for an answer.

Having cleared things out. I would like to add that I am homosexual. and I am asking people in this forum to reason with me, and not to give me a smart Alec response, because I am very sincere in what I have to say.

I sincerely tell you that I did not chose my sexuality. Which means, as early as I had feelings, even before I had any idea what homosexuality really meant, I felt attracted to men, and I never ever was attracted to women. It has absolutely nothing to do with what women did or failed to do that created my lack of attraction towards them. I am able to recognize that quite many women are very nice looking, but still that does not ignite an attraction to me. My feelings towards other men are TO ME as “natural” as are the feelings of other men towards women.

I was raised as a Catholic, and I struggled tremendously with my feelings, and I did not accept them at all. Now I want to live my life. Getting married to a woman is not an option for me for the reasons I stated above. I find it tremendously difficult to go through my life without love. I hope that you understand that part. What would you suggest?

I will keep you in my prayers. There are groups out there like Resolve that may help you deal with what you are struggling with. No, I don’t think you should at all get married to a women, that will not help you. About thinking that you have to go through life without love, you have to consider that there are different kinds of love, it doesn’t have to be sexual at all. Married love is more than sexual. God bless

 

[St_Francis]

ITA

This has been really thoroughly discussed on several occasions… do we really have to go through it again?

Oops, sorry. I guess I was kinda grumpy there…

 

[St_Francis]

Before we can ask why Catholics are against gay couples adopting children, we should understand that most major religions, if not all, are against gay couples to begin with. It is stated very clearly in the scripture, Old Testament and New Testament, that homosexual acts are against God. Period end of discussion. This is what the answer is, if you’re truly looking for an answer.

Having cleared things out. I would like to add that I am homosexual. and I am asking people in this forum to reason with me, and not to give me a smart Alec response, because I am very sincere in what I have to say.

I sincerely tell you that I did not chose my sexuality. Which means, as early as I had feelings, even before I had any idea what homosexuality really meant, I felt attracted to men, and I never ever was attracted to women. It has absolutely nothing to do with what women did or failed to do that created my lack of attraction towards them. I am able to recognize that quite many women are very nice looking, but still that does not ignite an attraction to me. My feelings towards other men are TO ME as “natural” as are the feelings of other men towards women.

I was raised as a Catholic, and I struggled tremendously with my feelings, and I did not accept them at all. Now I want to live my life. Getting married to a woman is not an option for me for the reasons I stated above. I find it tremendously difficult to go through my life without love. I hope that you understand that part. What would you suggest?

I also agree that this is a separate topic from the thread’s topic, but I did want to say that there are a lot of people (handicapped, age, etc) who realize they will probably never marry. If they want to marry, then it is a cross, and a difficult one.

One of the things I really like about the Catholic Faith is that they show that suffering can do good in the world, and how to make that happen, as well as a very profound way to deal with our crosses. I hope that you are or will be in a position to contact a truly Catholic group which provides support for those in your position, and that that will help you.

But never stop asking for and relying on God’s help!

 

[Mum5]

The only reason I can think of for homosexuals to adopt children is because they want to have sex with them.

Before everyone gets all nuts on me look at the first man to adopt children in Florida. Then he went to jail for molesting them.

Besides that homosexuality is an abberation and children shouldn’t be turned over to abberrant people to rear.

This would have to be the most replusive thing I have read on these forums. They are homosexual not paedophiles. I’m sure there are those that are both, but there are also , and I would bet far more straight people who have an interest in children in that way.
Why can’t gay men want to have a family and children as much as any other people? I had a strong desire to be a parent, so did my husband, so do my children, why wouldn’t my homosexual friend. ?
I would rather see a child brought up in a loving home, where they are taught to be good decent members of society, to be treated as they would like to be treated and to treat others with respect for their differences, than a , to all appearances, “normal” home but are taught,bigotry and if you are not like us you are evil,and sinful and must be avoided at all costs , we are right and you all are wrong mentality.

 

[fix]

This would have to be the most replusive thing I have read on these forums. They are homosexual not paedophiles. I’m sure there are those that are both, but there are also , and I would bet far more straight people who have an interest in children in that way.
Why can’t gay men want to have a family and children as much as any other people? I had a strong desire to be a parent, so did my husband, so do my children, why wouldn’t my homosexual friend. ?
I would rather see a child brought up in a loving home, where they are taught to be good decent members of society, to be treated as they would like to be treated and to treat others with respect for their differences, than a , to all appearances, “normal” home but are taught,bigotry and if you are not like us you are evil,and sinful and must be avoided at all costs , we are right and you all are wrong mentality.

You think there is any justice in allowing children to be
raised by two men posing as a mother and father?

Up until about 5 minutes ago no one in history
would even consider such absurdity.

 

[Mum5]

I don’t see them posing as anything other than two people trying to raise a family. Im positive they would do a much better job than most of the “normal” families out there.
I would have no problem with a Grandchild of mine being raised in a loving,happy,healthy home with two parents who love them.