Why are Catholics are against Gay couples adopting?

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I’m truly sorry if you felt that I was attacking you personally when I said that you fail to completely understand something that you are not. I personally fail to completely understand many, if not all, things that I am not.

But I see this discussion is going nowhere.

I sincerely thank you for your time and your effort.
No, I did not think that you were attacking me at all, I am sorry I was not more clear. it is simply in a discussion of principles, the personal can cause problems, and I actually thought you were handling it all better than I have seen myself or others do. Bringing in the personal can be like a form of hasty generalization which is why I avoid it.

I had a good conversation with you–you handled a difficult topic really well and brought up good points. Thank you for your time and effort, too.
 
My mother is not aware of my sexuality, but she used to tell me this on other issues:

“The ember burns only where it falls. The surrounding area may feel the heat, but it burns only where it falls.”
 
Why is that? It’s never been explained to me. I don’t know to what extent “Gays cannot adopt” is the official catholic position but is there any reason to believe it hurts the child? Is there any evidence it turns them Gay? And what is to be said of those statements that we should kidnap the children of Gay couples? goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2012/08/bryan-fischer-continues-to-suggest-kidnapping-gay-peoples-kids-any-of-you-values-folks-care-to-say-something.html
Gee, I don’t know. Maybe the child will grow up believing that homosexual unions are natural and normal.
 
A male or female child needs male and female parents. That’s the ideal way to demonstrate to children the love of a man and a woman for each others and for their children. There’s no way for a heterosexual child growing up with same-sex parents to observe and absorb the normal psychology of family life.

Same-sex parents cannot deny that they are poor models for heterosexual love.
I think they should take all kids away from single parents.
 
IMO it appears homosexuals want to adopt children for all the wrong reasons.

They want to adopt because they want to be like everyone else. They want to adopt to satisfy their own loneliness. They want to adopt because they feel they have a right to it.

I find homosexuals who have the “urge” to be parents an oxymoron as well. The very nature of their sexual orientation shows that their urge is to be sterile.

But none of these reasons is putting the child first and for the good of the child. All the reasons seem to be geared toward the homosexual, which not only shows selfishness, but a lack of understanding of what it means to be a parent.
Way to paint with a broad stroke. I could say the same thing about heterosexuals and it would be just as false and stupid.
 
Why? Single parents do not confuse the child like same sex so-called parents would.
Confuse how? Confuse by exposing their children to homosexuality that is a fact of life from an early age? I think people sheltering their kids from homosexuals and pretending they don’t exist are confusing the kids.
 
Confuse how? Confuse by exposing their children to homosexuality that is a fact of life from an early age? I think people sheltering their kids from homosexuals and pretending they don’t exist are confusing the kids.
By pretending to be parents. Pretending to be a couple as man and wife.

Mother and father are not social constructs that may be deformed at will for some particular agenda.
 
By pretending to be parents. Pretending to be a couple as man and wife.

Mother and father are not social constructs that may be deformed at will for some particular agenda.
I doubt that many gay couples pretend to be husband and wife. They are who they are…two moms or two dads that are in a relationship with each other just like any other husband and wife.
 
I doubt that many gay couples pretend to be husband and wife. They are who they are…two moms or two dads that are in a relationship with each other just like any other husband and wife.
And that is not confusing? What exactly are two “moms” or “dads”?

Since when do such contrived relationships exist?
 
And that is not confusing? What exactly are two “moms” or “dads”?

Since when do such contrived relationships exist?
Confusing how? What would the kids be confused about? It would take about a 2 minute conversation to explain that some people love people of their own sex.
 
Confusing how? What would the kids be confused about? It would take about a 2 minute conversation to explain that some people love people of their own sex.
It would be confusing because parents are not a social construct. It is not normal to have two people acting as mother and father. It is against nature.

Any explanation would not solve the problem. It would simply mask the truth.
 
It would be confusing because parents are not a social construct. It is not normal to have two people acting as mother and father. It is against nature.

Any explanation would not solve the problem. It would simply mask the truth.
What does a mother or father act like? I am a stay at home dad. My wife works. My wife is also far more handy than I am. Am I acting like a mother and is she acting like a father?

Tell me the definition of how a father and mother are supposed to act and why two people of the same sex could not fill these rolls.
 
What does a mother or father act like? I am a stay at home dad. My wife works. My wife is also far more handy than I am. Am I acting like a mother and is she acting like a father?

Tell me the definition of how a father and mother are supposed to act and why two people of the same sex could not fill these rolls.
You’re a dude; she’s not. It really isn’t that hard to grasp his point.
 
What does a mother or father act like? I am a stay at home dad. My wife works. My wife is also far more handy than I am. Am I acting like a mother and is she acting like a father?
Those are roles. That isn’t the biology of the brain.

And I’m sure you’re a fine stay-at-home Dad. Lucky children. However:

Question: Do you communicate to other people in the same way that your wife --or any other female – communicates?
Answer: No. (Unless you have not been paying attention since your own birth.)

Moms communicate differently than Dads communicate. A father’s (a male’s) priorities are different than a mother’s (female’s) priorities.

Question: Do you instruct the same way that your wife instructs?
Answer: Extremely doubtful.

Most women instruct verbally, first. Most men prefer to show, concretely, either in tandem with words, or separately. Most boys imprint directions which are shown more immediately and more convincingly than directions which are merely verbalized.

Boys receive instruction differently from males than they receive (and accept) instruction from females. I have seen this even as an educator. No amount of direct, take-no-prisoners “consequential” conversations from me, toward boys, have been as effective as casual remarks from my male colleague. Boys want to hear it from a man, and they are far more inclined to consider it seriously from a man. Especially regarding topics which matter to males.

What have you been doing all the years before you became a father if you have never bothered to notice how men and women approach life and communication and relationships differently? I suspect you have noticed, but have merely not reflected on it, not conceptualized it.

It’s ridiculous that there has to be a national conversation about the innate differences between males and females. It has nothing to do with roles or being handy. :rolleyes:
 
You’re a dude; she’s not. It really isn’t that hard to grasp his point.
So every relationship I have is completely dependent on the gender of the other person? I can’t have a similar relationship with my brother and sister? Why does one NEED a father and mother? What does a father or mother have that the other one can’t replicate?
 
Those are roles. That isn’t the biology of the brain.

And I’m sure you’re a fine stay-at-home Dad. Lucky children. However:

Question: Do you communicate to other people in the same way that your wife --or any other female – communicates?
Answer: No. (Unless you have not been paying attention since your own birth.)

Moms communicate differently than Dads communicate. A father’s (a male’s) priorities are different than a mother’s (female’s) priorities.

Question: Do you instruct the same way that your wife instructs?
Answer: Extremely doubtful.

Most women instruct verbally, first. Most men prefer to show, concretely, either in tandem with words, or separately. Most boys imprint directions which are shown more immediately and more convincingly than directions which are merely verbalized.

Boys receive instruction differently from males than they receive (and accept) instruction from females. I have seen this even as an educator. No amount of direct, take-no-prisoners “consequential” conversations from me, toward boys, have been as effective as casual remarks from my male colleague. Boys want to hear it from a man, and they are far more inclined to consider it seriously from a man. Especially regarding topics which matter to males.

What have you been doing all the years before you became a father if you have never bothered to notice how men and women approach life and communication and relationships differently? I suspect you have noticed, but have merely not reflected on it, not conceptualized it.

It’s ridiculous that there has to be a national conversation about the innate differences between males and females. It has nothing to do with roles or being handy. :rolleyes:
Some men and women might fall into the categories you are talking about, but many do not. And the conversation isn’t about innate differences between men and women. The question is what can a mother and father do that is impossible for a mom and mom or dad and dad team? Obviously there are biological things that a man or woman might not be able to help their kid out with (a dad, especially a gay one, probably isn’t going to be able to help his daughter with her period) but in terms of emotional and psychological support and love I don’t believe that a mother and father are objectively superior than a team of two moms or two dads.

So please, tell me something that a mother and father can do that a team of two moms or two dads cannot?
 
I’m Catholic and I’m not against gay folks adopting kids.

I am against Catholic agencies being forced to do so however.
 
I’m Catholic and I’m not against gay folks adopting kids.

I am against Catholic agencies being forced to do so however.
The Church says it is immoral and for good reasons.

Why do you hold a different position?
 
So every relationship I have is completely dependent on the gender of the other person? I can’t have a similar relationship with my brother and sister? Why does one NEED a father and mother? What does a father or mother have that the other one can’t replicate?
An actual mother-child/father-child bond.
 
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