Why are Catholics so disrespectful towards Francis -- and how to react?

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Why – especially on the Internet – are so many Catholics (in an official capacity, through articles, blog posts, etc.) bitter towards our current Pope? Why do these seem to dislike his approach? I just skimmed over an article that suggest Francis is initiating a “dictatorship of Mercy.” HOW SAD is that! It really startles me that people are criticizing the pope for highlighting MERCY of all things: I mean, are they going to criticize Jesus next?

How can one handle such things without getting completely upset? I find it scandalous, to be honest. It seems like it is much easier to find Catholics who oppose Francis than support him.
You need to spend less time on the Internet and more time in your local parish, then. Admittedly your mileage may differ there–probably if I’d stayed in Indiana and become Catholic there I’d have run into a lot more people “on the ground” who dislike Francis.

The super-devout, self-proclaimed “orthodox” tend to dislike him.

Ordinary Catholics–the people the super-devout despise–love him.

Does this sound like any important figure in Christianity you’ve heard of, whom popes are supposed to represent (in an imperfect way, of course)?

Edwin
 
Catholics, and other Christians,
Of a hyper-conservative variety.
are not too fond of Pope Francis because of numerous things. He doesn’t show good judgment with being so open to media or by allowing his words to be taken, so easily, out of context.
It isn’t good judgment if you think Popes are supposed to be aloof and austere and aristocratic, no.
He offers a pop-culture Catholicism without too much substance
From what you say below, there clearly is a lot of substance–which you don’t like. I agree that his statements are not as intellectually profound as those of his predecessor. But then Benedict was frequently misunderstood precisely because he was so complex and profound that people missed the point half the time. Nobody is perfect.
He spends so much time talking about climate change, an issue that doesn’t really concern Faith or morals (the world doesn’t care about climate change in relation to these)
Actually yes, the world does. You and other right-wing folks do not. Actually you do care about it–you badly want people not to think about it, and you want to define the Faith so as to exclude it.

The Faith includes everything. Being a steward of God’s creation does affect faith and morals.
which many scientists and conservative thinkers
A tiny minority of scientists, funded by oil companies.
consider to be nothing but a rouse to keep people, especially within third-world countries, from bettering themselves through creating companies and capitalistic endeavours.
That’s a ridiculous conspiracy theory fueled (ha!) by a pro-capitalism political agenda.

You can make the argument that allowing free economic development is the best way both to help the poor and eventually to improve the environment. But don’t make the ludicrous claim that hurting the poor is the explicit goal of mainstream science.
He constantly applauds the refugees that are destroying Europe in the name of Islam right now as we speak (hasn’t he heard of rape-gangs, sharia law enforcements, and the double standard created by “Islamophobia”?).
No doubt. But these things have been overblown by right-wing propagandists, and the requirements of charity dictate that we open our borders to refugees anyway. There were “sharia police” in one German town, and they were quite properly arrested by the real police. Rape and sexual assault have been a problem in several parts of Europe, and I agree that often political correctness has prevented authorities from taking it seriously enough.

But in fact there is such a thing as “Islamophobia” (though I dislike the term and don’t use it), that is to say, an irrational, exaggerated fear of Islam rooted itself in a double standard by which any bad thing Muslims do is blamed on Islam while any bad thing Christians do is blamed on something other than their religion.
He defends Islam as a peaceful religion when it is a mafia religion of terrorism (read the Quran and Hadiths and tell me what you think)
Both positions are mistaken generalizations, but the latter is a savage caricature while the former is a generous attempt to define Islam by its best elements, just as we Christians expect others to do for us.

You have heard of the Golden Rule, right? Your post doesn’t give that impression, but I’m sure that was an oversight on your part 😛
(but, to be clear, many muslims don’t even know their own religion because they haven’t actually read these books, and receive only sanitized versions of their religion from imams, or just ignore and re-interpret; but some are deceptive, according to the manner the Quran tells them to be towards non-muslims, and some imams are outright hate-filled).
The suggestion that Muslims who view their religion as “peaceful” are ignorant or deceptive is just wrong. I know a lot of well-educated Muslims who make sophisticated arguments explaining the more disturbing aspects of their tradition, just as Christians do.
Francis has also equated Jesus’ Great Commission with Muhammad’s violent conquests.
No, he pointed out, rightly, that Christians have sometimes understood the Commission in an imperialistic, violent way.
He also presents a warped view of Christian charity shared with many bishops (“whatever you do to the least my brothers, you did to me” - this does not mean muslims or any other non-Christian groups, since “least,” qatan in Hebrew, is a covenantal term opposite of “great,” gadol in Hebrew; “brothers” is also obviously a covenantal term. Covenant = family liturgical kinship bond. The only non-Christian people this can be applied to is the Jewish people, since Christ was, and for certain of them, may still be, in covenant with them).
This really shows how distorted your view of the Faith is. Ironically, it’s exactly the same as the view often ascribed to Muslims by anti-Islamic folks–that commands to do good and love one’s neighbor apply only to Muslims. You would apply them only to Christians.So often I find this–that anti-Islamic Christians are actually projecting their own bigotry onto Muslims.

I will take the Pope, and the common wisdom of the Church which he expresses, over your subversion of the law of charity.
Finally, he may, in fact, be a marxist, or dangerously close.
Given the general tone of your post, probably anything short of right-wing libertarianism is “dangerously close” to Marxism for you.

But it is crystal clear that Pope Francis is not a Marxist. He was criticized as head of the Jesuits in Argentina precisely because he opposed aligning the order with the Marxist version of liberation theology.

Edwin
 
Why – especially on the Internet – are so many Catholics (in an official capacity, through articles, blog posts, etc.) bitter towards our
current Pope?
May I ask what you mean by bitter? e.g. an example?
Why do these seem to dislike his approach?
I’m happy with whatever approach our Holy Father takes, but I am concerned when some things are very vague and their vagueness play right into the hands of those who would like to twist the Church’s teachings to justify wrong things or flat out deny Christ’s teachings on certain issues.
I just skimmed over an article that suggest Francis is initiating a “dictatorship of Mercy.” HOW SAD is that!
May I ask did you read it? some articles have deceptive headlines (In fact, they nearly all do in todays western culture in order to bait people into reading them), it probably wasn’t bad or negative of the Holy Father at all.
It really startles me that people are criticizing the pope for highlighting MERCY of all things: I mean, are they going to criticize Jesus next?
Mercy is good I believe, Jesus emphasized and practiced it a lot, let alone St Faustina, at the end of the Chaplet of Divine Mercy we say “In difficult moments, we might not despair nor become despondent, but with great confidence submit ourselves to your holy will which is love and mercy itself.” The problem I believe is when sin is justified, in which case what’s the point of mercy when X is not considered a sin? Mercy I believe is a good thing and I certainly would not criticize the Holy Father for that, some people however, have a misguided sense of mercy such as those who campaign for Assisted Suicide calling it mercy.

Perhaps it was over the issue of communion for the divorced and remarried? Which I believe hasn’t got to do with mercy, but rather with contradicting the sacrament of marriage, which is indissoluble, we can’t say it’s indissoluble on one hand when a couple is preparing for marriage, and on the other hand, turn around and pretend that it is dissoluble for another couple, as one would contradict the other I believe.
How can one handle such things without getting completely upset? I find it scandalous, to be honest. It seems like it is much easier to find Catholics who oppose Francis than support him.
I believe by remembering that the Church has been through some rough times throughout history, never has she fallen though, and Christ said that the gates of hell will never prevail against her, so ‘Jesus I Trust in You’

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
OK- Francis is actually a conservative Catholic. He got in trouble with his Jesuit confreres (indeed, to a certain extent was excluded) because he was seen as regressive.

Nothing in his teaching has contradicted Catholic tradition.

The media want to generate a narrative that he is a ‘liberal.’ This concerned me at first. But it simply is not true.

Not really many Catholics a disrespectful to him. You can’t go by what gets posted on the internet!
 
Pope Francis doesn’t help himself sometimes. A good example is his refusal to clarify the meaning of Amortis Laetitia. Other reasons have already been stated, including repeatedly expressing very left wing views that do not reflect reality, including an overly tolerant attitude to Islam and the effects it is having on Europe and also on climate change, trying to turn bad science into a doctrine. A general hostility towards conservatism and tradition, and trying to label such people as “rigid”, “legalistic” and worse. Basically, some people don’t like Francis because he seems to look for confrontation with elements in the church he disagrees with.
Sadly, I have to agree with you. As a convert from the Episcopal/Anglican churches,
where the Christian faith had become very watered down, I entered the Catholic church believing doctrines would be clearly defined.
As a relatively “new” Catholic, I do get a little frustrated trying to figure out what Pope
Francis is trying to say at times.
 
. He doesn’t show good judgment with being so open to media or by allowing his words to be taken, so easily, out of context.
These days no one can say anything that the media will not take out of context and sensationalize. Francis tries to be available and discuss things as if at a coffee shop.
He offers a pop-culture Catholicism without too much substance (for me, everything I hear him say, or read that he wrote, apart from more serious documents, sounds like the usual, ordinary bad homilies that I hear from various parish priests).
This comment puzzles me. What is "pop-culture Catholicism "?
He spends so much time talking about climate change, an issue that doesn’t really concern Faith or morals (the world doesn’t care about climate change in relation to these) which many scientists and conservative thinkers consider to be nothing but a rouse to keep people, especially within third-world countries, from bettering themselves through creating companies and capitalistic endeavours.
Without getting into that debate I think stewardship (of the planet) is most certainly a morals issue especially when it involves the future environment of our children’s children.
He constantly applauds the refugees that are destroying Europe in the name of Islam right now as we speak (hasn’t he heard of rape-gangs, sharia law enforcements, and the double standard created by “Islamophobia”?).
You are generalizing. What percentage of refugees are "rape-gangs’?
He defends Islam as a peaceful religion when it is a mafia religion of terrorism (read the Quran and Hadiths and tell me what you think) (but, to be clear, many muslims don’t even know their own religion because they haven’t actually read these books, and receive only sanitized versions of their religion from imams, or just ignore and re-interpret; but some are deceptive, according to the manner the Quran tells them to be towards non-muslims, and some imams are outright hate-filled).
Again this is a harsh generalization of Islam. Most Muslims are lovely people and practice Islam as a peaceful religion.
He also presents a warped view of Christian charity shared with many bishops (“whatever you do to the least my brothers, you did to me” - this does not mean muslims or any other non-Christian groups, since “least,” qatan in Hebrew, is a covenantal term opposite of “great,” gadol in Hebrew; “brothers” is also obviously a covenantal term. Covenant = family liturgical kinship bond. The only non-Christian people this can be applied to is the Jewish people, since Christ was, and for certain of them, may still be, in covenant with them).
The view you present here seems to me to be legal minimalism. “If they don’t share my faith, to hell with them.”
Finally, he may, in fact, be a marxist, or dangerously close.
A Marxist? What leads you to thin that?
 
Catholics, and other Christians, are not too fond of Pope Francis because of numerous things. He doesn’t show good judgment with being so open to media or by allowing his words to be taken, so easily, out of context. He doesn’t see any problem with allowing one specific Italian journalist, according to how that particular journalist feels or recalls, paraphrase his words. He offers a pop-culture Catholicism without too much substance (for me, everything I hear him say, or read that he wrote, apart from more serious documents, sounds like the usual, ordinary bad homilies that I hear from various parish priests). He spends so much time talking about climate change, an issue that doesn’t really concern Faith or morals (the world doesn’t care about climate change in relation to these) which many scientists and conservative thinkers consider to be nothing but a rouse to keep people, especially within third-world countries, from bettering themselves through creating companies and capitalistic endeavours. He constantly applauds the refugees that are destroying Europe in the name of Islam right now as we speak (hasn’t he heard of rape-gangs, sharia law enforcements, and the double standard created by “Islamophobia”?). He defends Islam as a peaceful religion when it is a mafia religion of terrorism (read the Quran and Hadiths and tell me what you think) (but, to be clear, many muslims don’t even know their own religion because they haven’t actually read these books, and receive only sanitized versions of their religion from imams, or just ignore and re-interpret; but some are deceptive, according to the manner the Quran tells them to be towards non-muslims, and some imams are outright hate-filled). Francis has also equated Jesus’ Great Commission with Muhammad’s violent conquests. He also presents a warped view of Christian charity shared with many bishops (“whatever you do to the least my brothers, you did to me” - this does not mean muslims or any other non-Christian groups, since “least,” qatan in Hebrew, is a covenantal term opposite of “great,” gadol in Hebrew; “brothers” is also obviously a covenantal term. Covenant = family liturgical kinship bond. The only non-Christian people this can be applied to is the Jewish people, since Christ was, and for certain of them, may still be, in covenant with them). Finally, he may, in fact, be a marxist, or dangerously close.

The list goes on and on. While I know that he can speak infallibly in certain specific cases, I think that, when not doing so, he should stick to the Faith and not worldly topics, should defend Europe, and should speak the truth not what is socially covenient and in fashion.

For me, he is like a Sacrament of Peter himself. But he must be faithful too to fully show this. And if he’s not doing a very good job, we need to call him out.
Ummmmmm…NO. :dts:
 
These days no one can say anything that the media will not take out of context and sensationalize. Francis tries to be available and discuss things as if at a coffee shop.

This comment puzzles me. What is "pop-culture Catholicism "?

Without getting into that debate I think stewardship (of the planet) is most certainly a morals issue especially when it involves the future environment of our children’s children.

You are generalizing. What percentage of refugees are "rape-gangs’?

Again this is a harsh generalization of Islam. Most Muslims are lovely people and practice Islam as a peaceful religion.

The view you present here seems to me to be legal minimalism. “If they don’t share my faith, to hell with them.”

A Marxist? What leads you to thin that?
Yes to all! 🙂
 
Because they are “cafeteria Catholics” whose highest allegiance is to their own subjective concepts. It’s just another form of relativism. It’s nothing to get too upset about. They are bitter for the exact same reasons that Jesus’ contemporaries were bitter about Him. It’s just a clear indication that the Holy Spirit is very much alive and active in the Church, casting down the mighty in their arrogance.
Actually, some of the fiercest criticism comes not from cafeteria Catholics but from uber-traditionalists who seem to have concerns with every pope since Pius IX.
 
I miss B16, too, but he’s gone, full stop.

I don’t think there is so much bitterness toward HH F as there is sadness and confusion that the clearheaded leadership of the last 2 Popes now **seems **to have given way to a cloud of nuances and liberalism, but the Church goes on.

ICXC NIKA
 
Actually, some of the fiercest criticism comes not from cafeteria Catholics but from uber-traditionalists who seem to have concerns with every pope since Pius IX.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the term “Cafeteria Catholic” can also describe the ultra-traditionalists who pick and choose their issues, same as the lax cafeteria Catholics do in reverse. So they can both be considered the “cafeteria Catholics” in this discussion. 🤷
 
You need to spend less time on the Internet and more time in your local parish, then. Admittedly your mileage may differ there–probably if I’d stayed in Indiana and become Catholic there I’d have run into a lot more people “on the ground” who dislike Francis.

The super-devout, self-proclaimed “orthodox” tend to dislike him.

Ordinary Catholics–the people the super-devout despise–love him.

Does this sound like any important figure in Christianity you’ve heard of, whom popes are supposed to represent (in an imperfect way, of course)?

Edwin
It’s hard to say this ^ without sounding uncharitable. But Jesus said the same things even more harshly than you just did about folks who hold their own righteousness in high esteem.

A lot of people are genuinely confused about AL. But the ones who are like the brother of the prodigal son, or like the workers in the vineyard who were working all day and got the same wage as the ones who started latter in the day; those are the ones who are confused not just about AL but the entire Gospel. AL seems to have brought a bright light to bear on everyone who has attempted to understand it.

Again, I’m not saying everyone who questions AL is self-righteous, many are just confused about what it means; but there are, no doubt, the hard-hearted who think AL is giving the undeserving a path to cut in line.
 
One of the reasons why I want to become Catholic is because of the papacy. The moral objectivity of the Catholic faith is also something I find very convincing. Unfortunately, the more I research, the more these two things are seemingly pit against each other by Catholics. I still want to become Catholic, but I find this very worrying and very confusing. I just hope all of this confusion is addressed and the proper respect due to the Pope is restored.
Our Lord Jesus Christ said: " and the gates of hell shall not prevail…"

He needs our prayerful cooperation with His grace to strengthen the Church, the Body of Christ on earth.

“Pray, hope, and don’t worry!”…(St.Padre Pio)
 
Does anyone else ever think of Our Lord’s words in Matthew 11:16-19 as they ponder the complaints that were made about Pope Benedict being too strict, and now Pope Francis being too liberal?“But to what shall I compare this generation? … For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon’; the Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Behold, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ …
It’s the verse that always comes into my mind.
 
It’s hard to say this ^ without sounding uncharitable. But Jesus said the same things even more harshly than you just did about folks who hold their own righteousness in high esteem.

A lot of people are genuinely confused about AL. But the ones who are like the brother of the prodigal son, or like the workers in the vineyard who were working all day and got the same wage as the ones who started latter in the day; those are the ones who are confused not just about AL but the entire Gospel. AL seems to have brought a bright light to bear on everyone who has attempted to understand it.

Again, I’m not saying everyone who questions AL is self-righteous, many are just confused about what it means; but there are, no doubt, the hard-hearted who think AL is giving the undeserving a path to cut in line.
Yeah, there may be those few odd folks concerned about “cutting in line,” but the idea that many or all who question the ambiguity think this way *without mentioning *the very real and appropriate *concern for souls *that probably most of them hold are doing a disservice to readers.
 
For me, he is like a Sacrament of Peter himself. But he must be faithful too to fully show this. And if he’s not doing a very good job, we need to call him out.
We decide whether or not a Pope is “doing a good job?”

Good Lord. I can’t speak for you… but I’m certainly not qualified to make that judgement.
 
I miss B16, too, but he’s gone, full stop.

I don’t think there is so much bitterness toward HH F as there is sadness and confusion that the clearheaded leadership of the last 2 Popes now **seems **to have given way to a cloud of nuances and liberalism, but the Church goes on.

ICXC NIKA
That ‘seems’ is important. In reality, Francis has not really changed anything essential, and never will. The style can change but not the substance.

One of the great things about Francis, in my opinion, is that he hopefully is paving the way for other Popes from unexpected sources- perhaps Africa. I am sure Cardinal Sarah, if God will its, will be an outstanding leader of the Church, and I pray for him, as well as Francis, every day.
 
A Pope who wants the Church to undergo a process of modernization; at some points in his life is questioned by some over whether or not he is a “modernist”; someone who some claim is unnecessarily favorable to “liberal” European bishops; a Pope who desires the Church to give a “medicine of compassion” rather than condemnations; a Pope who in the “holy freedom” of a gathering of bishops let many thoughts be aired; a Pope who issued an Encyclical that some people thought covered too much of a topic beyond his area of expertise; a Pope who speaks in a simple manner that is less precise than his predecessor, but is much more intellectually gifted than it appears on the surface.

That Pope has since been canonized: St. John XXIII. 50 years later there are somewhat similar circumstances with his predecessor Pope Francis. I’m not worried.
 
That ‘seems’ is important. In reality, Francis has not really changed anything essential, and never will. The style can change but not the substance.

One of the great things about Francis, in my opinion, is that he hopefully is paving the way for other Popes from unexpected sources- perhaps Africa. I am sure Cardinal Sarah, if God will its, will be an outstanding leader of the Church, and I pray for him, as well as Francis, every day.
Based on what I’ve seen, we’ll probably get crystal clarity from a future Pope Sarah.
 
Yeah, there may be those few odd folks concerned about “cutting in line,” but the idea that many or all who question the ambiguity think this way *without mentioning *the very real and appropriate *concern for souls *that probably most of them hold are doing a disservice to readers.
But even such a concern for souls is inappropriate. It betrays a lack of trust in God’s ability to achieve His will however He wishes. If one is concerned about souls, the appropriate response is to pray, rather than to hold fast to their “right” to disagree with Pope Francis.
 
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