Why are Catholics so in love with their guns here on CAF?

[SamH]

The problem with that argument is that it is very easy to get guns in neighboring states/areas that have much weaker gun laws and bring them to Chicago.

How is that a problem? It simply proves that criminals are not law abiding - something that should be obvious. Illegal drugs are also an issue in Chicago - where do they come from?

 

[CatholicGeek1]

Our 2nd Amendment has not been and never will be about hunting. It IS about keeping tyranny at bay. We need it now more than ever.

In the days when the weapons owned by the military and those owned by the public were basically the same this was a valid argument. It no longer is however, the government has tanks, rockets, fighter jets, nukes, etc. All the private owned guns in the U.S. could do very little to stop tyrant.

 

[SamH]

What about crimes committed with other weapons? Do you have those stats as well, along with the historical trend so we can have a better idea on that?

At least **14 people were wounded in an apparent mass stabbing **at Lone Star College’s CyFair campus in Cypress, Texas, on Tuesday. The suspect, armed with what one witness described as an X-Acto knife, was detained.

The school was placed on lockdown.

“Seek shelter now,” Lone Star’s Twitter feed warned Tuesday afternoon. “If away, stay away.”

The incident occurred near and around the school’s Health Science Center and remains an active crime scene, police said.

Four victims were transported by helicopter with serious injuries “consistent with laceration,” a spokesman for the Harris County Sheriff’s Office said. Two others were taken by ambulance to a local trauma center. The rest were treated for minor injuries.

news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/lone-star-stabbing-184840929.html

 

[tabycat]

The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world. There were 0.07 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010, compared to the 3.0 in the United States (over 40 times higher) and 0.21 in Germany (3 times higher).[4]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

Wkipedia is not reliable.

 

[SamH]

. All the private owned guns in the U.S. could do very little to stop tyrant.

Which explains why the US army is doing so well in Afghanistan.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

This thread is about guns.

Ok, how about a historical trend of gun related violence and violent crime in general in the UK; with focus on the change in the rate as gun ownership became more restrictive. If your contention that outlawing firearms in the UK has somehow made the UK safer than you should be able to show a dramatic change in these trends around the time these restrictive laws were put into effect.

 

[Kelfa28]

So I should have a guard dog?

That’s the magical, one-size-fits all solution.

No one has addresses the fact the some people are allergic to dogs, or live in areas that don’t allow big dogs.

My parents live in a 60 plus housing development that allows no dogs larger then 20 pounds, its not a gated community

 

[CatholicGeek1]

That’s paranoia.

I agree. I think the people that maintain that gun ownership is what stops tyranny are seriously fooling themselves.

 

[SamH]

Ok, how about a historical trend of gun related violence and violent crime in general in the UK; with focus on the change in the rate as gun ownership became more restrictive. If your contention that outlawing firearms in the UK has somehow made the UK safer than you should be able to show a dramatic change in these trends around the time these restrictive laws were put into effect.

There’s a dramatic change all right. Just not one that that poster will report.

 

[tabycat]

Whats wrong with that?

What would be right with it?

 

[CatholicGeek1]

I recently watched a show about gun violence decreasing in Europe as a result of gun control. This trend was matched with an equally INCREASING rate of violence using other weapons, such as knives, bats, etc… Criminals aren’t detered by laws…hence the fact that we have crime. If you make one of theri weapons of choice become hard to find, they just switch to another weapon of choice. Cain didn’t need a gun to kill Abel did he?

I would much rather be attacked with a bat, knife, pretty much anything else you can name than with a gun. My odds of survival are much better.

 

[SamH]

I agree. I think the people that maintain that gun ownership is what stops tyranny are seriously fooling themselves.

You are entitled to you opinion - but I notice you don’t back it with any facts.

 

[ahs]

This thread is about guns.

Yes, it is about guns and there are suggestions here that we don’t need to worry about gun control laws affecting us because gun violence is lessened where gun control has been enforced. However, one is only looking at part of teh picture in those facts. These facts are presented in a way so as to suggest that gun control laws deter crime in general. But they don’t. They only reduce gun violence, where other forms of violence replace gun violence. In other words, criminals simply choose a different weapon.

So, if you assert that my question is not valid on the basis that this thread is about guns, then affirm for me that you do in fact admit that, although gun violence has been reduced, other violence has increased in its place…and therefore gun control does not deter crime.

If you can’t affirm that, then I accuse you of arguing a logical fallacy.

 

[CatholicGeek1]

How is that a problem? It simply proves that criminals are not law abiding - something that should be obvious. Illegal drugs are also an issue in Chicago - where do they come from?

There would be less overall gun crime in the US if it was harder to get your hands on a gun. It would not be and never will be impossible, but that does not mean that we should do nothing.

 

[CatholicGeek1]

You are entitled to you opinion - but I notice you don’t back it with any facts.

What facts would you like me to back it with. Last I checked there had not been an attempt by the government to impose a tyrannical regime for me to site an example of. However, common sense can tell you that a rifle is no match for a tank or fighter jet!

 

[TheRealJuliane]

In the days when the weapons owned by the military and those owned by the public were basically the same this was a valid argument. It no longer is however, the government has tanks, rockets, fighter jets, nukes, etc. All the private owned guns in the U.S. could do very little to stop tyrant.

Don’t make assumptions. And let’s both pray that we don’t have to find out. The last 5 years have proven to be the best in gun and ammo sales in this country’s history. The military would not turn guns upon citizens, if that’s what you are thinking about. This is not and never will be China.

 

[ahs]

Ok, how about a historical trend of gun related violence and violent crime in general in the UK; with focus on the change in the rate as gun ownership became more restrictive. If your contention that outlawing firearms in the UK has somehow made the UK safer than you should be able to show a dramatic change in these trends around the time these restrictive laws were put into effect.

There’s a dramatic change all right. Just not one that that poster will report.

Exactly. And I believe, as many of you also do, that this is direectly related to the topic of the OP, since the general message is that gun control can reduce violence.