Why are Catholics so interested in the LDS faith?

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I found this a very interesting topic Ive talked with alot of mormans and they seem to me like soem one I would not want to hang with but to stay away from I dont understand how catholics can actualy want to know their stuff its wrong junk. :confused:
 
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Jerusha:
The mother culture of the Maya was Olmec.

crystalinks.com/olmec.html

And their statues are of people who had a distinct African heritage-- clearly not Semitic.
Very good Jerusha,
Of course some of the Mayans came from the Olmecs but where did the Olmecs come from? There are many cultures who contributed to the Mayan bloodlines. As it says in this post the Olmecs were only from about 35 BC. Where the original cities that have been found in Mexico, particularly the Yucatan and also some in the state of Oaxaca are from 500-600 BC which is when the Nephites came to this continent. Guatemala is another tribe also Mayans
BJ
 
The Olmec Writing is Unique. The Signs are similar to the writing used by the Vai people of West Africa. The Olmecs spoke and aspect of the Manding (Malinke-Bambara) language spoken in West Africa.
READ it, BJ. AFRICAN, not Semitic.
 
**BJ said Plygamy as you know was practiced for a short time in the 1800s and is no longer practiced

It is still practiced today in Utah, where approx. 80 Percent of the population is Mormon, It has been declared that approx. 30 percent of this sect of Mormons do practice Polgamy.

The point is BJ. Mormon theology is not only rejected amongst Catholics, the Mainstream Protestant groups reject this doctrine,which includes the OSAS sect.

I dont believe anyone here is trying to convert you or any other member on the board, its your choice, free will, we are just trying to direct you to correct interpretation of Gods word and what most Christians do profess and agree upon.**

Sara
 
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PaulDupre:
Hi BJ,
We are very interested in exposing the LDS faith because:
  1. Mormons specifically target Catholics for conversion.
  2. Mormons consistently spread vicious falsehoods about the Catholic faith and Christianity in general. (That was one of the first things that made me doubt the LDS leaders - I heard some slanderous lies from the GA’s)
  3. LDS are deceptive - they misrepresent the Church’s history and doctrines to investigators and other non-members. It isn’t until the investigator is already baptised that he begins to learn what the Church really teaches. That’s one reason convert retention rates are so low.
As a former LDS missionary I can tell you that the “Elders” are instructed that Catholics are easy targets. LDS missionaries are also very active in predominantly Catholic countries, trying to lure gullible people away from the faith of their fathers.

We are just defending the truth and informing the unsuspecting. Hopefully those who read these forums will not fall for the missionaries’ tricks.

God love you,
Paul
 
sara888 said:
**BJ said Plygamy as you know was practiced for a short time in the 1800s and is no longer practiced.

It is still practiced today in Utah, where approx. 80 Percent of the population is Mormon, It has been declared that approx. 30 percent of this sect of Mormons do practice Polgamy.**

Sara,

Are you talking about “Mormons” or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? If a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is found to be practicing polygamy, he or she is excommunicated. Now I don’t know what you would call an excommunicated Catholic. But I don’t call an excommunicated Latter-day Saint a “Latter-day Saint.” Nor do I call Lutheranism a “sect of Catholicism.” These fringe groups are no more a part of the “LDS Church” than the various Protestant denominations are part of the Catholic Church.

Kathryn
 
We are just defending the truth and informing the unsuspecting. Hopefully those who read these forums will not fall for the missionaries’ tricks.
Excellent comment.

We also need to be very accurate in the information we present, as Kathryn made clear to Sara.
 
I became interested in mormonism when a customer of mine in Salt Lake City, who is a bishop in the Mormon church, tried to convert me.I went to the Z.C.M.I.department store in S.L. C.(I believe owned by the church) and bought book titled “Mormons and the Negro” in order to understand ,at that time in1960, why Negroes were banned from the priesthood.The book explained very clearly the Churches
position.Although it didn’t make a lot of sense to me I at least learned the mormon reasons for their belief. The book stated rather emphatically as Joseph Smith put it; " If one drop of negro blood were to exist in the priesthood we would no longer have a priesthood" or words to that effect. Then around 1978 ,I believe the Church or Prophet, at the time, overruled Joseph and the priesthood was open to Negroes.Because of the pressure of the Cicil Rights Movement in that time period it gave the appearance of a new rule for convenience.
It would be interesting to know how many Bishops in the U. S. are Negro and was the change binding on the R.L.D.S. church? Subsequently, years later, I read another book by a devout Mormon titled “Quest for the Golden Plates” by Stan Larson ( available at Amazon.com.and the Deseret book Co.will order it)It is an Enlightening study in an effort to prove the truth of Mormonism.A must read for non-Mormons and Mormons alike.
One more thought:In every secular library in America you can read the2000 year history of the Catholic church from Peter the first Pope to the current one and nowhere will you find that the church ever had aTotal Apostasy. Some apostates then as now in very small numbers as is true in Mormonism.That being true, there was no reason for a restoration.
 
frank martin:
In every secular library in America you can read the 2000 year history of the Catholic church from Peter the first Pope to the current one and nowhere will you find that the church ever had aTotal Apostasy. Some apostates then as now in very small numbers as is true in Mormonism.That being true, there was no reason for a restoration.
I don’t believe there even was a “Catholic” Church at the time of Peter. As a matter of fact, in the mid-second century, there were three major movements within Christianity: Jewish Christianity, Gentile Christianity, and Gnostic Christianity. In reality, there was a wide spectrum of belief even within these three major divisions.

I am also unaware of where it is recorded that Peter or any of the Twelve Apostles ever ordained Linus to the Papacy. (I’m unaware that Peter had ever even heard of the Papacy, for that matter.) And this raises an interesting question. By the time Linus was Pope, not all of the Apostles had died. John the Beloved, for example, had been exiled to the Isle of Patmos. It was there that he received the book of Revelation. If Linus really was the head of the Church Jesus Christ established, if he really was Peter’s successor, why wouldn’t God have given this very significant revelation through him? Why instead would He have given it to an Apostle in exile?
 
Your reply doesn’t address the previous poster’s point, which concerns the evidence for a Total Apostasy.

Were there disagreements in the early church and were councils needed to settle them? Yes. Does it then follow that satan vaquished the Church, resulting in a total apostasy? Obviously not.

The logic of the LDS reasoning here just twists back on itself (in my judgment). If satan prevailed against the church once before (unbeknownst to the church, btw), then how can you be confident that satan has not caused an apostasy in the LDS church (unbeknownst to you)? I mean, either God can protect His church (as He said He would in Matthew) or He can’t. If it’s the latter–God can’t protect against apostasy–then how can you be so sure that those splinter groups in Missouri aren’t right when they call you apostates?

I’m not clear about your point regarding Linus (asking why God didn’t reveal the prophecies in Revelations to Linus). Perhaps you’re thinking that the Pope is like the prophet of the LDS church–the leader is supposed to receive revelations?
 
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Jerusha:
READ it, BJ. AFRICAN, not Semitic.
Who said their writing had to be semitic?
Have you been to Monte Alban above Oaxaca City? They have hyroglyphics similar to Egyptian and also pyramids similar to egyptian. Also, Copan, Honduras is the same. I have been to those places and others as well as Egypt. The archeologists I have spoken to are quite convinced that there is a link.
I have photos of the writtings on stone from Monte Alban.
This is just a difference of opinion and if you have not seen these things in person then you can not say what they are. You may say what other people think they are, but there are just as many people who think the way I do.
And as for the writings being african origin as you state, where do you think Egypt is? Might it be on the African continent?
I don’t know I am definitely not an expert, but I am a world traveler and do know what I have personally seen.
BJ
 
sara888 said:
BJ said Plygamy as you know was practiced for a short time in the 1800s and is no longer practiced

It is still practiced today in Utah, where approx. 80 Percent of the population is Mormon, It has been declared that approx. 30 percent of this sect of Mormons do practice Polgamy.

The point is BJ. Mormon theology is not only rejected amongst Catholics, the Mainstream Protestant groups reject this doctrine,which includes the OSAS sect.

I dont believe anyone here is trying to convert you or any other member on the board, its your choice, free will, we are just trying to direct you to correct interpretation of Gods word and what most Christians do profess and agree upon.


Sara

No Mormons do not practice polygamy, some misguided sects in Utah and Arizona practice polygamy, but they are not Mormons anymore than Lutherans are Catholics.
Sorry, you have been so misled by someone. Hopefully you can see the truth from these postings. Even your fellow Catholics in this thread know LDS do not practice polygamy. That is basic knowledge, and is readily available in LDS material. I would like to know what you have been reading that gave you that information.
It sounds as if you have a pretty big chip on your shoulder for the LDS Church. I’m sorry you feel you must use lies to get your point accross. BJ
 
BJ Colbert:
Very good Jerusha,
Of course some of the Mayans came from the Olmecs but where did the Olmecs come from? There are many cultures who contributed to the Mayan bloodlines. As it says in this post the Olmecs were only from about 35 BC. Where the original cities that have been found in Mexico, particularly the Yucatan and also some in the state of Oaxaca are from 500-600 BC which is when the Nephites came to this continent. Guatemala is another tribe also Mayans
BJ
You are right Jerusha, I did not go back to the top and had last read where it says 31 BC about the calendars and the the Olmecs.
Sorry, I will read the entire article.
Anyway, the writings of Monte Alban still look almost exactly like the writings that I observed in Egypt in the Valley of the Kings in Luxor ,and also in the Cairo museum.
Have you compared? I am very untrained, but they sure looked similar to me. I have compared the photos I took and it is really quite amazingly similar.
BJ
 
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edmondhall:
Your reply doesn’t address the previous poster’s point, which concerns the evidence for a Total Apostasy.

Were there disagreements in the early church and were councils needed to settle them? Yes. Does it then follow that satan vaquished the Church, resulting in a total apostasy? Obviously not.

The logic of the LDS reasoning here just twists back on itself (in my judgment). If satan prevailed against the church once before (unbeknownst to the church, btw), then how can you be confident that satan has not caused an apostasy in the LDS church (unbeknownst to you)? I mean, either God can protect His church (as He said He would in Matthew) or He can’t. If it’s the latter–God can’t protect against apostasy–then how can you be so sure that those splinter groups in Missouri aren’t right when they call you apostates?

I’m not clear about your point regarding Linus (asking why God didn’t reveal the prophecies in Revelations to Linus). Perhaps you’re thinking that the Pope is like the prophet of the LDS church–the leader is supposed to receive revelations?
There are other threads addressing the apostacy, I just wanted to know why Catholics study the LDS religion, and I have had many different answers all pretty interesting. Some not so charitable, but all appreciated.
Now, we are getting off topic and going of on tangents of polygamy, anthropology and etc. Please start new threads for these topics or go to threads that have already been started to discuss them. I am getting so confused I forgot what I asked originally.
Thank you all for your answers,
BJ
 
BJ Colbert:
Kind of like the war between the Protestants and the Catholics in Ireland.
Could you please make your point about Mormonism, without taking a shot at Northern Ireland. I don’t see what Northern Ireland has to do with Mormonism.
Generally it’s Muslims and Atheists who love to look down on Northern Ireland as an example of “Christianity gone wrong”, so you set off a few alarm bells for sure.
Although it may be feel good for you to see Catholics in that situation, you really really have NO IDEA what you are talking about, so please don’t try to take a kick at the Irish to make your points about Mormonism.
And I see from your last post it’s not part of Mormonism to talk about polygamy, anthropology and I disagree there too.
 
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PaulDupre:
We are very interested in exposing the LDS faith because:
  1. Mormons specifically target Catholics for conversion.
That is absolute falsehood. Mormons do not “specifically target” any particular religion “for conversion”. Mormons have been commanded of the Lord to preach the gospel to every creature, and that is what they do, without regard to what their current religion is.
  1. Mormons consistently spread vicious falsehoods about the Catholic faith and Christianity in general. (That was one of the first things that made me doubt the LDS leaders - I heard some slanderous lies from the GA’s)
That is a wicked lie. Mormons do not spread falsehood about the Catholic Church, or about any other religion. If you that is the case, why don’t you give us some examples. Don’t attribute your own corrupt and wicked practices to the Mormons.
  1. LDS are deceptive - they misrepresent the Church’s history and doctrines to investigators and other non-members. It isn’t until the investigator is already baptised that he begins to learn what the Church really teaches. That’s one reason convert retention rates are so low.
Mormons do no such thing. That is an absolute lie. If you are referring to the LDS belief in the apostasy of the early Christian church, that is neither misrepresentation nor falsehood. That is the truth, and it is confirmed in the Bible. The Protestants also believe this. Apart from that, I don’t know what else you could be referring to.
As a former LDS missionary I can tell you that the “Elders” are instructed that Catholics are easy targets.
This is falsehood of the blackest die. I very much doubt if you have ever been a “former LDS missionary,” otherwise you would have known better. Elders are never told that “Catholics are easy targets;” and in fact, every Mormon missionary who has had the relevant experience, knows that Catholics are not easy targets. It is actually more difficult to convert a Catholic than a Protestant. Traditionally and historically, Protestants have been easier to convert than Catholics.
LDS missionaries are also very active in predominantly Catholic countries, trying to lure gullible people away from the faith of their fathers.
Another falsehood. Mormon “activity” in a particular country does not depend on what religion they are in; but on how well they are received in that country. We naturally tend to put more effort in those countries which prove to be more receptive to our message, and less in those countries that aren’t. France, Italy, and Spain are all “Catholic” countries, but they are not targets of as much LDS effort because (like the rest of Europe) they are very secular, and they re not very receptive to the gospel message. On the other hand, Latin American countries have been more receptive to our message, so we put more effort into those countries. One in 25 Chileans are Mormons! Well, we didn’t go into Chile because they were Catholics; we went there to preach the gospel, like we did in any other country. Then we found that they were receptive to our message, so we put more effort into it, and it has borne good fruit. We also went into Spain, a great Catholic country. But we found that they are too secular to be interested in our gospel message. Recently they passed a law legalizing gay marriages and even adopting of children by gay couples! So that doesn’t come as a big surprise.
We are just defending the truth and informing the unsuspecting.
You are doing no such thing. All I see dripping from your poisoned pen is falsehood and lies of the blackest die against the Mormons.
Hopefully those who read these forums will not fall for the missionaries’ tricks.
I call that wishful thinking. Nobody reading your post will be so foolish as to fall for that kind of stuff.
God love you,
Don’t talk to me about love. You know nothing about love. All I see coming from you is malicious hatred and perverse wickedness. You are in the “gall of bitterness and the bonds of inequity”. Your heart is not right before God.

amgid
 
Amgid,
If all your responses will be nothing but ad hominem attacks, then there is no use trying to discuss anything with you.

BTW, I certainly WAS an LDS Missionary. I served in the Taiwan Taipei Mission from 1977 thru 1979 under mission President Frederick W. Crook (a great guy) while you were still in kindergarten.

Paul
 
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amgid:
You are in the “gall of bitterness and the bonds of inequity”. Your heart is not right before God.

amgid
Paul,

You should really try to sell those inequitable bonds. They must be very bad for your overall portfolio. Perhaps amgid has a good stock tip for you.

😉
 
originally posted by amgid
If you are referring to the LDS belief in the apostasy of the early Christian church, that is (1)neither misrepresentation nor falsehood. (2)That is the truth, and (3)it is confirmed in the Bible. The (4)Protestants also believe this.
(1) Yes, it is.
(2) No, it isn’t.
(3) No, it isn’t. At least, NOT in the Christian Bible. BOM, maybe.
(4) So, because mormons and protestants believe this, it’s true? No, it isn’t.
 
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