Why are Christian Conservatives so bent in including Ayn Rand?

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p.s. from an East German propaganda booklet, published shortly before the building of the Berlin Wall (drawn from wikipedia):

“Both from the moral standpoint as well as in terms of the interests of the whole German nation, leaving the GDR is an act of political and moral backwardness and depravity. Those who let themselves be recruited objectively serve West German Reaction and militarism, whether they know it or not. Is it not despicable when for the sake of a few alluring job offers or other false promises about a ‘guaranteed future’ one leaves a country in which the seed for a new and more beautiful life is sprouting, and is already showing the first fruits, for the place that favours a new war and destruction? Is it not an act of political depravity when citizens, whether young people, workers, or members of the intelligentsia, leave and betray what our people have created through common labour in our republic to offer themselves to the American or British secret services or work for the West German factory owners, Junkers, or militarists? Does not leaving the land of progress for the morass of an historically outdated social order demonstrate political backwardness and blindness? … [W]orkers throughout Germany will demand punishment for those who today leave the German Democratic Republic, the strong bastion of the fight for peace, to serve the deadly enemy of the German people, the imperialists and militarists.”

This is the kind of rhetoric Rand no doubt heard in the wake of the Communist Revolution, and it gave her a deep mistrust of any form of coercion in human affairs. Capitalism, for her, was fundamentally non-coercive and voluntary – the baker doesn’t put a gun to my head and tell me to buy his bread (locking the door behind me, when I enter); nor does the customer put a gun to the head of the baker. It is a voluntary exchange. The factory owner does not put a gun to my head, telling me to work in his factory; nor do I put a gun to the head of the factory owner, telling him to hire me; nor does he put a gun to my head, telling me I can’t quit. Of course, there are other, more subtle forms of coercion – if I am starving, I *might as well *have a gun to my head, in terms of my need to accept, in exchange for back-breaking labor, a salary that is barely enough to subsist on. Rand believed that to speak of “force” or “coercion” in cases of unequal bargaining power was playing with words, and had no tolerance for metaphorical or de facto forms of coercion, since cases of actual coercion (the use of physical force, or the threat of physical force) were all-too-real and manifest.
One more difficulty in AR is that she saw the system as binary: either you had a world where elites got their way, without government interference, or you had the CCCP or DDR. There are various middle grounds. Neither Canada or the UK need to wall their citizens in, despite having systems that are far more socialized than she would have admired.

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One more difficulty in AR is that she saw the system as binary: either you had a world where elites got their way, without government interference, or you had the CCCP or DDR.
In other words: She was an irrational ideologue. Despite all her praise for “reason”, I have found that the most serious of her devotees are often the most unreasonable people to attempt discourse with…
 
I find independent strong willed women attractive. Probably a reflection of my mother, three sisters and wife… and daughter. It’s easy to criticize and be cynical. She wasn’t the best writer and her philosophy was shallow and easy to derail. But she was interesting and controversial. She made people think. She came from a strange time and place, (diversity). I still suspect she overplayed “it” (what was controversial about her) for publicity and attention. Again, she was a Jewish woman who became world famous. Apparently ego was an issue. She was certainly rare, bold, gutsy…

We aren’t all equal… but ALL souls are equal. If we all lived our lives to the fullest, VIRTUOUSLY, to maximize and optimize our time, talent and treasure (which includes charity) for the sake of the Father Son and Holy Spirit, for the sake of welcoming and setting the table for God’s will on earth as it is in Heaven. It would be a good thing for everyone. The benefit of all. That may not have been what she intended (so what) but that’s how I synthesize her and integrate her with my understanding of Catholic Christianity.
 
IF I MAY POINT OUT: Rand’s Atlas Shrugged is formed around the premise that a mostly-idealistic but impractical (and often personally unethical) cabal have been nudging the world by inches into a social order of absolute totalitarianism. Unwittingly, and by default, people in all sectors of society have been surrendering to their own enslavement. IN THIS CONTEXT–a few of the most-talented of society (they are NOT ALL BUSINESSPEOPLE OR CAPITALISTS!) refuse to give material cooperation to the impending evil they perceive. Nothing anti-Christian nor anti-Catholic in that. The “strikers” refuse, in the main, to employ any sort of violence against the system: they just refuse to remain part of it. (Apparently, large numbers of “common” people do likewise, though the novel focuses upon the actions of elites and intelligensia). Much of Rand’s ideas are compatible with elements of Christian thought. Much is not.
 
One more difficulty in AR is that she saw the system as binary: either you had a world where elites got their way, without government interference, or you had the CCCP or DDR. There are various middle grounds. Neither Canada or the UK need to wall their citizens in, despite having systems that are far more socialized than she would have admired.

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Hillaire Belloc saw the world in much the same polarized way: see his work, The Servile State. He and Chesterton, among others, believed Catholic social teaching helps us to envision a “Third Position” between capitalism and communism. The ChesterBelloc vision is deemed “Distributism”, and is seeing a minor revival of late. Just a reminder, not to derail the thread. Libertarianism-- derived from Any Rand’s ideas to some measure–itself sometimes tries to also achieve status as a “Third Positionist” vision of society.
 
This article

katiekieffer.com/2012/09/10/christianity-is-compatible-with-ayn-rand/

makes an argument that Ayn Rand is compatible with Christianity. In my opinion, that is trying to make the impossible happen.

Basically I’m just dumbfounded as to why a Christian would accept the selfish, anti-Christian philosophies of Ayn Rand. I honestly want to know.
You must be from Milwaukee?

God is a capitalist? I suppose God has a political party and favorite brand of clothing too. I wonder if God prefer German made over Japanese made cars?

Anyways… I was told Jesus was God. So far as I can tell from tradition and bible… while productive on a daily basis in certain ways, Jesus was nonetheless more akin to an unemployed hippie that lived off the donations of others. Kind of reminds me of monks and friars except they can’t roam. :hey_bud:

(This website has a pretty cool smilie list)
 
You must be from Milwaukee?

God is a capitalist? I suppose God has a political party and favorite brand of clothing too.** I wonder if God prefer German made over Japanese made cars?**

Anyways… I was told Jesus was God. So far as I can tell from tradition and bible… while productive on a daily basis in certain ways, Jesus was nonetheless more akin to an unemployed hippie that lived off the donations of others. Kind of reminds me of monks and friars except they can’t roam. :hey_bud:

(This website has a pretty cool smilie list)
I think its pretty obvious that he does! 😛
 
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