Why are clerics so frightened of the old Mass?

[Iohannes]

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Why are clerics so frightened of the old Mass?

The second instance of recent disreputable treatment of a traditional priest is even more nefarious. The priest was ordained for one of the traditional societies approved by the Holy See. The priest’s grandmother had died suddenly, and tragically she had not been discovered until four days after her death. That family, as can be well imagined, was devastated. The priest called the chancery, identified himself as a priest of the traditional society sanctioned by the Holy See, and asked for permission to offer a traditional Requiem Mass in that particular diocese where his grandmother resided. He was told by the chancellor that the bishop was away and he would need the required paperwork that would verify that he was a priest in good standing and a member of this particular society. Within hours the required documentation had been forwarded by fax to the chancellor. The priest then telephoned to received the required permission - only to be denied it. The priest pleaded – especially given the circumstances of his grandmother’s death – that his being denied permission to offer the traditional Requiem Mass would only add to the grief of his family. The answer remained, “No.” (pp. 2-3)

 

[Asperges_Me]

If after 36 years the Novus Ordo is so great as they proclaim, then the bishops should have no qualm about having the Traditional Latin Mass “compete in the marketplace” of Catholicism with the Novus Ordo. One would think that they would be so confident that they would say “bring it on !” They should be thinking “who would want to go to Mass in a dead language anyway” when we got this new Mass full of pop music, comedy (jokester priests), social interaction, maybe even some dancing (heaven forbid).

At least Coca Cola had the smarts to bring back “Old Coke” and let it compete with “New Coke” for awhile. When was the last time you remember buying “New Coke”?

 

[Caesar]

Pathetic.

What is wrong with the traditional Mass?

 

[batteddy]

It’s a matter of saving face.

If the bishops allow the old mass…and see it become popular…then everything they have done all these years will be discredited. And the longer they hold to it, the more stubborn they get because the more time that passes, the more foolish they will look for not having noticed the problem earlier.

Also, some of these bishops have other agendas…more “progressive” in dogma and morals. And if the old liturgy returned…they know that it inevitably brings back the reactionary conservatives with it, whom they have been trying to crush.

There are few liberals who want the old mass, you see…if it’s allowed, it is a haven for “sedition” against their progressive agenda because the people who attend are inevitably conservative in more than just liturgy.

 

[Dr.Bombay]

Most traditional societies approved by the Holy See should have learned by now that there is a price to be paid for compromise.

If they aren’t willing to pay it, they should’ve never signed on to the bargain to begin with.

The goal is eventual assimilation. It is not nor has it ever been accomodation.

As to why so many are afraid of the old Mass…for the same reason they’ve hated the Mass for centuries. Without it, the Church ceases to exist and, ultimately, the destruction of Holy Mother Church is their ultimate goal.

Sing a new church into being…

 

[steve_green_2]

If after 36 years the Novus Ordo is so great as they proclaim, then the bishops should have no qualm about having the Traditional Latin Mass “compete in the marketplace” of Catholicism with the Novus Ordo. One would think that they would be so confident that they would say “bring it on !” They should be thinking “who would want to go to Mass in a dead language anyway” when we got this new Mass full of pop music, comedy (jokester priests), social interaction, maybe even some dancing (heaven forbid).

At least Coca Cola had the smarts to bring back “Old Coke” and let it compete with “New Coke” for awhile. When was the last time you remember buying “New Coke”?

Excellent post !

 

[Ham1]

As I posted on the other thread, people don’t like the tridentine because it is the symbol of those who deny the authority of the Church. Sadly, the schismatics have co-opted the tridentine Mass to become their emblem of resistance against the Body of Christ. It’s truly unfortunate for the faithful who seek out the tridentine mass!

 

[Walking_Home]

It is that many have been manipulated to see the TLM as a symbol of disobedience.

 

[Iohannes]

As I posted on the other thread, people don’t like the tridentine because it is the symbol of those who deny the authority of the Church. Sadly, the schismatics have co-opted the tridentine Mass to become their emblem of resistance against the Body of Christ. It’s truly unfortunate for the faithful who seek out the tridentine mass!

Right, Right, Right, so these bishops so hate the Tridentine Mass because it symbolizes disobeidence. They hate the TLM because it symbolizes disobeidence! They hate the TLM because it symbolizes disobeidence!

http://www.recongress.org/2006/pix/sunclose/med_DSC_1577.jpg

Right, I wonder why Rome did not force the Novus Ordo downt the throats of the Byzantine Catholics, after all, the Eastern Orthodox Use a the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostrom and they are against Rome.

 

[Iohannes]

They do not like the TLM because it symbolizes disobeidence. So what is wrong with the picture here folks?
http://www.recongress.org/2006/pix/sunclose/med_DSC_1581.jpg

 

[fiat1122]

It’s a matter of saving face.

If the bishops allow the old mass…and see it become popular…then everything they have done all these years will be discredited. And the longer they hold to it, the more stubborn they get because the more time that passes, the more foolish they will look for not having noticed the problem earlier.

Also, some of these bishops have other agendas…more “progressive” in dogma and morals. And if the old liturgy returned…they know that it inevitably brings back the reactionary conservatives with it, whom they have been trying to crush.

There are few liberals who want the old mass, you see…if it’s allowed, it is a haven for “sedition” against their progressive agenda because the people who attend are inevitably conservative in more than just liturgy.

Was this priest from a PONTIFICAL approved order such as the Institute of Christ the King or the FSSP? If so, would he not ONLY need his superio’s approval? It was a private Mass was it? For his grandmother? If I were him I would be furious, and would hire a Canon Lawyer, go to ROME: I bet if it were a Jazz mass or clown mass the bishop would have approved.

 

[fiat1122]

Right, Right, Right, so these bishops so hate the Tridentine Mass because it symbolizes disobeidence. They hate the TLM because it symbolizes disobeidence! They hate the TLM because it symbolizes disobeidence!

http://www.recongress.org/2006/pix/sunclose/med_DSC_1577.jpg

Right, I wonder why Rome did not force the Novus Ordo downt the throats of the Byzantine Catholics, after all, the Eastern Orthodox Use a the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostrom and they are against Rome.

This cardinal is probably the most LIBERAL, anti tradition guy in the USA. WHAT was on JPII’s mind when he elevated him to BISHOP???

 

[Marian_Carroll]

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[Walking_Home]

As I posted on the other thread, people don’t like the tridentine because it is the symbol of those who deny the authority of the Church. Sadly, the schismatics have co-opted the tridentine Mass to become their emblem of resistance against the Body of Christ. It’s truly unfortunate for the faithful who seek out the tridentine mass!

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I must say Ham1—this is quite good in trying to manipulate and drum up bias against the SSPX. Blame the SSPX . Of course–there is the embeded negative conotations of the TLM being resistance against the Body of Christ and the authority of the Church.

 

[Ham1]

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I must say Ham1—this is quite good in trying to manipulate and drum up bias against the SSPX. Blame the SSPX . Of course–there is the embeded negative conotations of the TLM being resistance against the Body of Christ and the authority of the Church.

I’m not trying to drum up bias, but I do think that the SSPX has not exactly helped the cause of those who would like to see a wider availability of the tridentine mass. I think that because of the SSPX, when you mention “tridentine” to many clerics, they immediately think “this must be a borderline schismatic wacko.” I do not think that this reaction would occur nearly as much if the SSPX had not gone schismatic. Am I missing something here???

By the way, I don’t agree with this reaction. I am just giving a reason as to why it may exist.

Can’t this be reasonably discussed instead of people posting pictures of Mahoney (not really sure how that fits into this thread anyway) or sarcastically stating that I am “drumming up bias.”

Please, explain to me how the SSPX has not hurt the traditionalist movement.

 

[TobyLue]

So whats with all the bed spreads on the altar? Also the consecrated wine should not be in glass pitchers.
I saw wine consecrated this way once many hears ago, then a young boy in jeans and t-shirt went up to the altar and started pouring the consecrated wine into the chalices and spilling it all over the altar… …then he gave communion to the priest… a double … no… make it

I have a dear friend who is a priest and I asked him about having a latin mass on Saturdays. But he said he would have to talk with the Bishop about it. I advised that the NO Latin mass no need to ask permission. But he said he didnt know latin so that was the main reason.

 

[Island_Oak]

Why are clerics so frightened of the old Mass?..

Is it possible to consider that perhaps these are isolated incidents of poor jugement, ignorance or the result of limited resources? That maybe there is no lurking, evil conspiracy to undermine the Church, but simply clerics who are either too overscheduled and understaffed to be flexible or accommodating to the special requests of a few who prefer the traditional service?

 

[paramedicgirl]

As I posted on the other thread, people don’t like the tridentine because it is the symbol of those who deny the authority of the Church. Sadly, the schismatics have co-opted the tridentine Mass to become their emblem of resistance against the Body of Christ. It’s truly unfortunate for the faithful who seek out the tridentine mass!

And I thought the Tridentine Mass was the symbol of all that is sacred and beautiful about Catholic Tradition. Maybe people have been conditioned to view it as a symbol of disobedience by the propagandizing of the last several decades. We are truly fortunate there are Catholics who are willing to preserve and cling to sacred tradition, otherwise all could be lost with this brave, new springtime.

 

[Caesar]

As I posted on the other thread, people don’t like the tridentine because it is the symbol of those who deny the authority of the Church. Sadly, the schismatics have co-opted the tridentine Mass to become their emblem of resistance against the Body of Christ. It’s truly unfortunate for the faithful who seek out the tridentine mass!

Sometimes I look at one of these Novus Ordos with clowns or liturgical dancers or pagan-like women in long robes carrying bowls of incense; and then to an SSPX Traditional Mass; and I cannot help but wonder “who are the more faithful Catholics here?”

 

[chotock]

its while reading threads like this one that I begin to wonder how the God feels about people attacking His Church and saying that the Liturgy He inspired is so hated. The Liturgy changes, the Tridentine was vastly dirrerent than the Liturgies used prior to its birth. Are those groups such as the Marionites and Byzantine Catholics that never left in the wrong for using the SJC Liturgy? Amazing to think that the majority of the Bishopry and the Cardinals involved in Vatican II and later in the developement of the Pauline Mass were not brand new off the street priests, they had been around awhile.

This article does not give much information, in fact it is very one sided. What was happening at the parish they wanted to use? Was there a location still arranged for the TLM? What reasons did the Chancery give for the denial?