Why are Eastern Catholics allowed to have extra scripture and named angels but Western Catholics aren't?

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Is there anything in the official liturgical texts of the Eastern Catholic Churches (any of them) which invokes Uriel by name?
 
I assume they would since they have largely the same liturgical calendar as the Orthodox, who explicitly commemorates 7 Archangels (and other bodiless powers) on November 8.
 
Arkansan said:
Is there anything in the official liturgical texts of the Eastern Catholic Churches (any of them) which invokes Uriel by name?
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He has his own Feast Day (July 15), separate from the other Archangels, in the Coptic Church.

I would imagine that if he is mentioned by name in the Byzantine Churches, it is in Vespers or Matins. It is late now and the liturgical books are complex. I’ll try to check tomorrow.
 
If you’re an American, its wrong for you to skip Mass on the feast of the Immaculate Conception. A Canadian can freely do so without sin.
No, Catholicism isn’t one size fits all. One faith, but expressed in varied and rich ways.
 
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Moreover, if by “assigning names” they were speaking only of the practice of making up angelic names out of scratch, they wouldn’t have stated an exception for Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael. Likewise if there’d been an implied exception for names which have been widely used throughout history. You could argue that they simply overlooked Uriel, but that’s very implausible given that New Age practices often include invoking him.
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And that’s why I feel like we should pray the St Michael prayer and invoke his protection against Uriel.
twf said:
If you’re an American, its wrong for you to skip Mass on the feast of the Immaculate Conception. A Canadian can freely do so without sin.

No, Catholicism isn’t one size fits all. One faith, but expressed in varied and rich ways.
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That’s abhorrent. Where you live doesn’t make something okay if it’s evil only a few miles south.
 
You do understand there are totally different practices in the different rites.
What days are days of obligation are different for Eastern or Western Catholics since they have different liturgical calendars. Eastern Catholic Priests can marry before ordination, Western Catholic priests cannot, Fasting is significantly more rigorous in the East that everyone is expected to follow (with the extent discussed with a priest), while fasting is largely absent in the West.

Eastern Catholics are bound to fast from midnight onwards to receive communion, yet Western Catholics are only required to fast 1 hour before receiving communion (not when mass starts).

Christianity as a whole, even in the early church, was never uniform in its practices, and a lot of those differences are not cause for scandal.
 
babochka said:
He has his own Feast Day (July 15), separate from the other Archangels, in the Coptic Church.

I would imagine that if he is mentioned by name in the Byzantine Churches, it is in Vespers or Matins. It is late now and the liturgical books are complex. I’ll try to check tomorrow.
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Coptic Catholic or Coptic Orthodox? Those aren’t the same. If you know where I could find a copy (in any language) of the Coptic Catholic liturgical calendar (i.e. their equivalent to the Roman martyrology), that would be great, as Google isn’t returning anything helpful.
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That’s abhorrent. Where you live doesn’t make something okay if it’s evil only a few miles south.
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Which days are of obligation is in no way dictated by divine law, and has widely varied between time and place. It’s totally unobjectionable.
 
So what are you suggesting? Both Pope Leo XIII in Orientalium Dignitatis and Vatican II with Orientalium Ecclesiarium call Eastern Catholics to keep faithful to their Eastern Traditions (against the latinizations they’ve been facing).

I’m not Catholic, but you as a Catholic are going against previous Pope’s and a council whom you should be expected to give respect/obedience to.

Furthermore, the early church had a lot of liturgical/tradition differences with no scandal. Seriously, the complete uniformity in the Mass in the West wasn’t enforced in full until the Council of Trent. Have you even heard of the Ambrosian Rite, Gaelic Rite, the Benedictine Rite? Complete liturgical uniformity wasn’t even a thing in the early church, where a given geographic region would all have their own liturgical calendars with their own saints.
 
WonderAndAwe said:
And that’s why I feel like we should pray the St Michael prayer and invoke his protection against Uriel.

That’s abhorrent. Where you live doesn’t make something okay if it’s evil only a few miles south.
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You fail to understand something. You have no right to set yourself up as some kind of judge over the Eastern Churches. You have no right to call their spirituality “evil” simply because of your own ignorance.

Whether you like it or not, the practices of the Eastern Churches are perfectly legitimate. The Eastern Catholic Churches sui iuris don’t answer to you. The idea that they would is laughable.
 
Father, I think I understand what’s going on with him but I don’t know if it’s permissible for me to say what it is. I would suggest we all pray for him.
 
You have no right to sit in judgment of Holy Mother Church.
The bishops have the power of binding and loosing, given to them by Christ. We are bound to obey our local bishop. Yes, disciplines bound for some can be loosed for others.
 
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But he’s a demon. There are only 3 holy Angels with names and any angel with a name outside them is a demon.
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Do you have proof that Uriel is a fallen angel or a demon,WonderAndAwe?

Or is that your personal opinion?
 
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Uriel isn’t a named angel because in the middle ages there was a cult of almost worshipping archangels and some pope relegated the names down to the three in the canonical books.
Your reasoning for why is absurd. Uriel is in 4 Esdras which by the way is in the appendix to the Vulgate with 3 Esdras and the Prayer of Manesseh and says “it should be continued to be read lest it perish” . So the Church says we SHOULD read a book which is not Canon however has a long and noble history in the Church.
Uriel is the protagonist archangel in this book much as Raphael is in Tobit.
Uriel also appears in the very popular Book of Enoch.
Your reasoning is absurd. Do protestants say Raphael is a demon just because they don’t accept Tobit as scripture?
All the Church did was only name those in Canonical books, however there are seven archangels and it may not be formal but most say Uriel is the fourth named archangel.
The Vatican has a giant painting, I forgot the artist , but it depicts Uriel saving the righteous. He is typically known as the angel of repentance.
How dare you defile his name in some way that has no merit.

Do you believe the story of Lilith as well? Is she a demon still prowling the world?
 
jas84173 said:
Do you believe the story of Lilith as well? Is she a demon still prowling the world?
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Lillith is a demon yes. Adam never had another partner because it wasn’t in Genesis. Lillith is another name for Satan, just like Uriel.
 
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jas84173:
Do you believe the story of Lilith as well? Is she a demon still prowling the world?
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Lillith is a demon yes. Adam never had another partner because it wasn’t in Genesis. Lillith is another name for Satan, just like Uriel.
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What makes you think Uriel is a demon? Are you a Sola Scriptura believer? If an angel’s name isn’t in your Bible, you conclude that the angel’s a demon or even Satan himself?

Please do yourself a favor and research all the names of the angels. And please don’t diss the Eastern Churches for believing in Uriel.

 
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Past tense. I’m done here. I don’t see any point in continuing, especially after that most recent post.
 
Okay well you’re not Catholic then and you are ridiculous. 3 and 4 Esdras and the Prayer of Manasses were put in an appendix to the Vulgate after these three texts were not given canonical status. Prior to the Council of Trent the Prayer of Manasses followed 2 Chronicles and 3 and 4 Esdras followed 1 and 2 Esdras ( Ezra and Nehemiah). In 1592, Pope Clement VIII included the prayer in an appendix to the Vulgate stating that it should continue to be read “lest it perish entirely”. So it is not forbidden in any way. Pope Clement Vlll said it “should continue to be read.” They were in the original Douay Rheims Bible but following the Challoner revision only the canonical books were included. Still doesn’t mean it’s in any way forbidden.
 
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