Why are ex-Catholic's bitter about the Church?

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aixia:

Also, I have to say, there are an awful lot of “holier than thou” Catholics that make it all too easy to be bitter at the Church. When you have people of your own faith group telling you that you’re believing wrong and you’re doing everything badly, then you want out just to be away from them. It’s not so much bitterness at the Church, but bitterness at Catholics.

It may not be everyone’s experience, but it’s certainly a common one I think.
I tend to agree w/ you on this one…😦 It was only by the Grace of God that I ever even considered becoming a Catholic…I knew so many in name only… Ahhh…and the ones who attended Mass every Sunday and still called me a little heathen because I was a Baptist…(family members)…😦

Now my ex-Catholic friends and relatives are blaming everything from the abuse scandal to that the bishop has granted a dispensation for eating meat on St. Patrick’s Day as excuses for leaving the Church… I grant you some may have been hurt…But, from my experience, most of them don’t like following the rules… It isn’t easy to be a GOOD Catholic…
 
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kujo313:
Ain’t gonna look up catechism.
That’s too bad.

The testimonies of the early Christians are rich with information about how they worshipped, their belief in the Real Presence, their understanding of salvation and how we can lose it, how they honored the Virgin Mary, the belief in the intercession of saints, etc.

They did not have bound Bibles to take to Church every Sunday. They did not have altar calls. They did not have fiery preachers shouting into microphones about hell, etc.
 
For me this is a timely topic. I gave up this forum for Lent(although I did post twice), but lately my heart has been heavy and depressed on this very subject.

I am joining the church this Easter and I am so happy and overjoyed. But this past few weeks I have come across so many angry, exCatholics that it is really begining to weigh on me. Not that I have any doubt about my decision but just the vitrole that these people seem to expend against God’s Church really, really gets me down. It breaks my heart.

Last night was a good example. My neighbor is an Independent Baptist and I love her like a sister. The other night, I met a woman at her home, an exCatholic, agnostic. I liked the woman just fine. In fact, we have some things in common-mothers of teenagers, homeschoolers, stay at home moms. There is also the fact that she rides motorcycles, something that I would love to do-my hubby hates them. Plus her family is from Germany and my husband’s mother is from Austria, so I thought that my husband would like her also. I was overjoyed to have a new friend.

Last night I went to my friend’s home and this same woman was there. First she asked us, “Why the **** are you becoming Catholic.” WHich my baptist friend laughed at. I would never have allowed anyone to confront her like that, so I felt a tad bit betrayed. Then this woman went into a lecture on how hardcore Catholic her family was and that was why she disliked the Church. Of course she also explained later that her mom was crazy and she hadn’t talked to her dad in fourteen years.

I should have said something but I just changed the subject and this has angered me with myself. I have been praying to God that he give me the opportunity to witness to others but when the chance comes I fail miserably.
 
Daniel Marsh:
Hi Todd, then who are all the sex offenders in Salt Lake City? All the drunks too? wife beaters? child beaters?

when one points out the high levels of crime in utah, LDS missionaries and newspapers always blame it on all those non-mormons in utah.

another theory for anti-catholics not liking RCism is,

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The majority of sex offenders in Utah are LDS because the population is 75% LDS. However, the vast majority of the offenders are non-active LDS.

Utah does not have a high crime rate

I have never heard LDS missionaries and newspapers blame crime on “all those non-mormons in Utah”

You and the facts are miles apart.
 
Daniel,

Did I say that Utah had a crime rate that was lower than the national average? No, I did not. I said Utah does not have a high crime rate and your graph proves my point, thank you. As I suspected, it’s in line with the rest of the country. But, all this is really beside the point. I was taking issue with your claims that the newspapers here blame non-LDS for the so called “high crime rate”. That’s just some nonsense that you made up.

In any case, we’re hijacking this thread with this topic. I will not discuss it further unless you wish to start a thread about this topic in particular.
 
Todd,

Thanks for putting an end to this thread; it was getting way off the original subject. Also thanks to all that responded. I picked up a lot of good advice and I enjoyed the reading.
I guess my biggest take away from this is whether you are Catholic, Protestant, or Mormon it is still our mission to love one another. We really need to put aside who is right and who’s religion is wrong. Believe in God, love your fellow man and follow the laws that God sent down from Heaven.
Know me, love me and serve me.

Thanks to all,
God Bless.
 
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Dewman:
I belong to a non-denominational Christian motorcycle club and a group of us were discussing the Purpose Driven Life book by Rick Warren and what it meant to each of us. One of the member’s an ex-Mormon made a comment about converting to be a Christian from Mormonism and stated that once you leave the Mormon faith you never look back
Go visit one of the many ex-mromon or reformed mormon boards, and you be making that same statement.

Fact is an Evangelical who becomes an atheist will be bitter, a Mormon who does the same will be bitter, and a Catholic who leaves the Church will be bitter in some circumstances, probably because the person is immature and kind of petty.
 
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kujo313:
I cannot belong to a religion that says that they are the “true Church” and yet they have more than one way to get to Heaven besides Jesus. (scapular. dont you deny it. If you do, start another thread. I’d love to see that one)
I categorically do deny this absurd claim, a sacramental cannot get you to Heaven, only our Lord Jesus Christ can. The scapular was based on private revelation; as such it is not a part of the deposit of faith in the Catholic Church. Nice try, though. You make the claim – you defend it. You start a new thread on the subject or do a SEARCH.

To be deep in history is to cease to be protestant.

God bless you!

scripturecatholic.com/
newadvent.org/fathers/

You might want to visit those sites.
 
Semper Fi:
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I categorically do deny this absurd claim, a sacramental cannot get you to Heaven, only our Lord Jesus Christ can. The scapular was based on private revelation; as such it is not a part of the deposit of faith in the Catholic Church. Nice try, though. You make the claim – you defend it. You start a new thread on the subject or do a SEARCH.

To be deep in history is to cease to be protestant.

God bless you!

scripturecatholic.com/
newadvent.org/fathers/

You might want to visit those sites.
LOL what is this guy’s huge deal with the scapular? I’ve seen him whine about it on other threads, too.
 
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exoflare:
LOL what is this guy’s huge deal with the scapular? I’ve seen him whine about it on other threads, too.
He asked if Mary has Alzheimer’s too! :eek:

Someone else posted this last year but it fits here:

Dial-up internet access: $10

Anti-Catholic tracts, videos and multi-media: $100

The look on Kujo’s face when Jesus asks him why he said those things about His Mother: Priceless
 
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Eden:
He asked if Mary has Alzheimer’s too! :eek:

Someone else posted this last year but it fits here:

Dial-up internet access: $10

Anti-Catholic tracts, videos and multi-media: $100

The look on Kujo’s face when Jesus asks him why he said those things about His Mother: Priceless
"Don’t you go talkin’ bout my Mama!" :tsktsk: ~ Jesus
 
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Eden:
He asked if Mary has Alzheimer’s too! :eek:

Someone else posted this last year but it fits here:

Dial-up internet access: $10

Anti-Catholic tracts, videos and multi-media: $100

The look on Kujo’s face when Jesus asks him why he said those things about His Mother: Priceless
When He said WHAT things? With Catholics believing that wearing a scapular will protect you from hell when you die is saying that Jesus is a liar. He said that He is the only way.
 
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kujo313:
When He said WHAT things? With Catholics believing that wearing a scapular will protect you from hell when you die is saying that Jesus is a liar. He said that He is the only way.
False dichotomy… I could make a similarly ridiculous statement by saying “the Bible is unnecessary because JESUS is the only way to heaven!”
 
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exoflare:
False dichotomy… I could make a similarly ridiculous statement by saying “the Bible is unnecessary because JESUS is the only way to heaven!”
Please explain.
 
About the scapular… The first time I was sent one of these in the post, the leaflet that came with it? Have you seen this?

It more than implies that wearing it will get you into Heaven.
( sorry; I don’t have it to hand. )

It gave me a few bad moments. And would do the same to many others
.Often these are sent to non RC folk with no other explanation.
 
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deb1:
I am joining the church Easter and I am so happy and overjoyed. But this past few weeks I have come across so many angry, exCatholics that it is really begining to weigh on me. Not that I have any doubt about my decision but just the vitrole that these people seem to expend against God’s Church really, really gets me down. It breaks my heart.

My neighbor is an Independent Baptist and I love her like a sister. I met a woman at her home, an exCatholic, agnostic. I liked the woman…In fact, we have some things in common…I was overjoyed to have a new friend.

Last night I went to my friend’s home…this same woman was there. First she asked us, “Why the **** are you becoming Catholic.” WHich my baptist friend laughed at. I would never have allowed anyone to confront her like that, so I felt a tad bit betrayed. Then this woman went into a lecture on how hardcore Catholic her family was and that was why she disliked the Church. Of course she also explained later that her mom was crazy and she hadn’t talked to her dad in fourteen years.

I should have said something but I just changed the subject and this has angered me with myself. I have been praying to God that he give me the opportunity to witness to others but when the chance comes I fail miserably.
Peace.

First of all, I think people on this thread need to address your concerns rather than allow kujo to hijack another thread. I would suggest kujo begin another thread under the title “Why I dislike the Catholic Church” then all the issues and concerns obsessed by kujo may be confronted.

Second, deb1, I appreciate what you are currently going through, particularly with a person who is questioning your decision. In reserving judgment on your neighbor and her friend, they strike me as many non-Catholics and ex-Catholics of whom I have met in my life. They have such little regard for the Catholic Church that they dismiss it and mock it whenever possible. People who would not ordinarily be allies suddenly become joined at the hip in their opinionated disrespect for the Catholic Church.

As I understand, this is a very vulnerable time for many in the RCIA programs as the non-Catholics and ex-Catholics rise from the stagnant and polluted ponds of prejudice to swarm like mosquitoes on the Catechumens. To inoculate yourself from the diseases spread by their venomous attacks, you need to surround yourself with positive Catholic influences. I have noticed that non-Catholics tend to “gang up” when they are trying to coerce a Catholic into their way of thinking, burying them in an avalanche of Biblical chapters and verses to endorse their misinterpretations, but Catholics are more generous and patient in demonstrating similar passions.

I was blitzkrieged in my college days by the non-Catholics and was too weak defending the true Church of Christ and that has made me incredibly intolerant of the negative and proselytizing non-Catholics/ex-Catholics. They may mean well, but I don’t think so. I believe, for them, it is about recruiting people to endorse their own beliefs so equate it with ego and selfishness. If you are one of them then you are in the inner circle; if you are not one of them then you are the scourge of the earth.

Also, I do not think you need to regret your decision to remain mum when the ex-Catholic agnostic (whose very description defines herself and any opinion vocalized by her should be summarily dismissed by you) because nothing you would have said would have made a difference. In fact, I suspect she would have laughed or mocked you.

2 Timothy 2:23-26: Avoid foolish and ignorant debates, for you know that they breed quarrels. A slave of the Lord should not quarrel, but should be gentle with everyone, able to teach, tolerant, correcting opponents with kindness. It may be that God will grant them repentance that leads to knowledge of the truth, and that they may return to their senses out of the devil’s snare, where they are entrapped by him, for his will.

Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words: going forth out of that house or city shake off the dust from your feet.

Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you; going forth from thence, shake off the dust from your feet for a testimony to them.

Luke 9:5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off even the dust of your feet, for a testimony against them.

Luke 10:16 He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.

Matthew 10:40 He that receiveth you, receiveth me: and he that receiveth me, receiveth him that sent me.

John 13:20 Amen, amen I say to you, he that receiveth whomsoever I send, receiveth me; and he that receiveth me, receiveth him that sent me.

Peace.
 
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