Why are fundamentalists always so angry?

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It is possible to ‘do something’ while not being angry. Cops deal with all sorts of violent acts yet most do so without anger. Anger actually interferes with clear thinking.

Why do you think anger is productive in any instance?
Actually, as a deputy sheriff I can most definitely attest to the absolute fact that “cops” do indeed get angry. Law enforcement personnel use that anger to help them gain control of a given situation. The problem occurs not when a cop gets angry, but when a cop loses control. There is a difference.
 
Actually, as a deputy sheriff I can most definitely attest to the absolute fact that “cops” do indeed get angry. Law enforcement personnel use that anger to help them gain control of a given situation. The problem occurs not when a cop gets angry, but when a cop loses control. There is a difference.
Cops pay a big price for using anger as a tool.

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I have been on this forum for some time now and one thing that keeps striking me is the anger continually being expressed by so many people. I have noticed this quite often among those who hold very rigid beliefs, whether Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Islamic or atheist. Usually it seems to me that these folks are afraid that their dearly held beliefs may not be as rock solid as they would like them to be? On the other hand, those who admit to not knowing all the answers and that not everything is black and white and leave some wiggle room, tend to be kindlier and gentler. Anyone else notice this?
I’ve seen anger from some Protestant fundamentalists, but truthfully, since being on this forum, I’ve seen a lot more from Catholics.

When I first came here, I had no anger, and was a very tolerant person. I nevet tried to convert anyone to my religion, because that is not what we do; we do not proselytize except to other Jews, to bring them back to Judaism.

But since being here, and having certain Catholics over and over try to not only proselytize me but also make digs at my faith, and implying triumphantly that God has “abandoned” my people, I have to now give the award for the nastiest, most hateful religious people to certain Catholics.

Congratulations! Some of you have beaten out the fundies!
 
I believe that hose who get angered so easily regarding religious topics/conversations are not as strong in their beliefs as they present themselves to be. If one is strong in one’s faith then that strength should bring peace. Also, many seem to get angry when their fath is challenged merely because they despise being questioned; “I am right, you are wrong,” leaves no room for discussions or questions:( If we do not discuss and/or ask questions, I don’t see how we can grow.

Annie
I was not an angry person when I first found this forum during a websearch. I am now, and I’ll tell you why I am.

Mostly all Catholics I’ve known offline were not the type to try to convert Jews. I have been heavily active in Jewish-Christian ecumenical work, and have had cause to meet many Catholics, plus half my family is Catholic, so its like I have not met any.

I came to this forum, seeking info on some Catholic legends my formerly Catholic mother (now Jewish) had once told me about before her death (she died 2 months ago.) I came here never expecting to have Catholics:

try to proselytize me, over and over, even after I told them I was not interested;

triumphantly assert, “God has abandoned your people!”

express such complete ignorance of my religious faith, even though theirs arose as an offshoot of mine;

post links to neoNazi and antisemitic websites, as a way of “showing how the Jews really are”;

and I could go on and on.

I am a very different person now, and I doubt I can ever look at Catholics IRL the same way again. I find that internet forums enable people to say what they REALLY think (just like wine does), and so I think they will say here what they would never say to my face offline. This is why I believe more what I read here than what people say to me offline.

So I am not angry because I lack faith in my own beliefs; quite the contrary. I chose to return to traditional Judaism after several years of being secular, and also investigating other religions (which is one reason also why I know so much about other faiths.)

I know what is out there, and I rejected it all for traditional Judaism, which was my birthright and childhood upbringing in the first place.

But it can be very annoying and time-consuming, when you come to a forum for one thing, and get bogged down with many long, protracted debates that go nowhere, because each side’s mind is already made up.

The only truly good thing to come out of my time here is that I have been PMed by several Catholics who are interested in Judaism (some are seeking to learn more to enrich their own faith; others, because they do not feel fulfilled by Catholicism and think Judaism is the next logical step). I was also contacted by one person who was a Jew by birth, had become Catholic, but wants to return to Judaism. So I feel my time here has not been a total waste, and in fact, until all those things happened, I was wondering why God would lead me here: now I know.

But I do not like the way events here have made me more suspicious of Catholics, and has helped to undo some of the work I’ve done over the years, in learning tolerance of their faith. I wonder why I care anymore about being tolerant, when so many are not tolerant of mine.
 
I’ve seen anger from some Protestant fundamentalists, but truthfully, since being on this forum, I’ve seen a lot more from Catholics.

When I first came here, I had no anger, and was a very tolerant person. I nevet tried to convert anyone to my religion, because that is not what we do; we do not proselytize except to other Jews, to bring them back to Judaism.

But since being here, and having certain Catholics over and over try to not only proselytize me but also make digs at my faith, and implying triumphantly that God has “abandoned” my people, I have to now give the award for the nastiest, most hateful religious people to certain Catholics.

Congratulations! Some of you have beaten out the fundies!
If Truth is too hard for you, than Truth is not for you.

Peace!

:bowdown: :byzsoc:
 
If Truth is too hard for you, than Truth is not for you.

Peace!

:bowdown: :byzsoc:
See? Its that kind of attitude which I am talking about!

“The truth”…as Pilate said, “What is truth?” We all have our own definitions of it, and I would never try to impose mine upon you because my religion does not ask me to.
 
When people decide that only their opinion matters, it creates a form of wall in their head. When this wall is challenged, a resonant wave is created. This wave will either break the wall or lead to anger or resentment at the challenger.

They are angry because someone tried to break their walls.
 
See? Its that kind of attitude which I am talking about!

“The truth”…as Pilate said, “What is truth?” We all have our own definitions of it, and I would never try to impose mine upon you because my religion does not ask me to.
Hashem

your religion and mine is not so different.
we have the same SS. you stayed, we continued.

you keep the Laws of God, we do to.
we believe in the same God.
the only problem between us is the we believe in Jesus and you dont.
we try to show you that Jesus is the Messiah the King promised to the jews. He came and we believe Him.
it is up to you to also believe Him or not. no one here is forcing you to believe what we believe, although i confess i wish you would.
actually i enjoy have you around here. please stay.

the Peace and Grace of Our Lord be with you.
 
Hashem

your religion and mine is not so different.
we have the same SS. you stayed, we continued.

you keep the Laws of God, we do to.
we believe in the same God.
the only problem between us is the we believe in Jesus and you dont.
we try to show you that Jesus is the Messiah the King promised to the jews. He came and we believe Him.
it is up to you to also believe Him or not. no one here is forcing you to believe what we believe, although i confess i wish you would.
actually i enjoy have you around here. please stay.

the Peace and Grace of Our Lord be with you.
You say you keep the laws of God (the Torah)? How is that?

Do you eat kosher food?

Do you keep the 7th day Sabbath?

I thought Catholics didn’t do those.
 
You say you keep the laws of God (the Torah)? How is that?

Do you eat kosher food?

Do you keep the 7th day Sabbath?

I thought Catholics didn’t do those.
I eat kosher food…I also eat food that is not kosher.😛 😛 😛 😛
 
You say you keep the laws of God (the Torah)? How is that?

Do you eat kosher food?

Do you keep the 7th day Sabbath?

I thought Catholics didn’t do those.
i am talking about the commandments. obviously the NT does not require us to observe those things. believe me we have a lot more in common than you see.

sunday became like the saturday to us because it is the day Jesus arouse from the dead.

let me ask you this, have you read the Parable of the wicked tenants? Mathew 21:33?

i read it many times before i could figure it out? not until i learn some of the history of Israel.

please tell me what you think of this Parable.

Peace onto you.
 
i am talking about the commandments. obviously the NT does not require us to observe those things. believe me we have a lot more in common than you see.

sunday became like the saturday to us because it is the day Jesus arouse from the dead.

let me ask you this, have you read the Parable of the wicked tenants? Mathew 21:33?

i read it many times before i could figure it out? not until i learn some of the history of Israel.

please tell me what you think of this Parable.

Peace onto you.
One thing I never understood: God Himself gave us the Ten Commandments. One of those commandments states that the 7th day is the Sabbath, because on it God rested.

Yet the Catholic church felt it was permissible for them to change one of the Ten Commandments?

Now, on the surface it doesn’t bother me since Gentiles were never meant to keep the Torah anyway. But I always did find it pretty arrogant for the church to have the nerve to change something God Himself said.
 
One thing I never understood: God Himself gave us the Ten Commandments. One of those commandments states that the 7th day is the Sabbath, because on it God rested.

Yet the Catholic church felt it was permissible for them to change one of the Ten Commandments?

Now, on the surface it doesn’t bother me since Gentiles were never meant to keep the Torah anyway. But I always did find it pretty arrogant for the church to have the nerve to change something God Himself said.
Hashem.
you are ignoring that the Church is built by Jesus Christ. we believe that Jesus is the Son of God. it is not arrogant.

the early christians who were jews among others decided to keep the sunday because it was the day Jesus came back from the dead.

peace.
 
Hashem.
you are ignoring that the Church is built by Jesus Christ. we believe that Jesus is the Son of God. it is not arrogant.

the early christians who were jews among others decided to keep the sunday because it was the day Jesus came back from the dead.

peace.
Actually, based on my study of history, the change from the Sabbath to Sunday came about as more and more Gentiles entered the church. They were trying to distance the church from its Jewish origins.
 
I am bewildered by the attitude exemplified by Hashem Echad. I was drawn to Christianity not only by the evidence for it (which is overwhelming) but also powerfully by the sweetly uncomplicated confidence so many Christians have that they have important knowledge worth sharing. It’s a refreshing change from the world I was used to where opinions were seen as inborn personality traits, truth a chemical feeling in the brain and meaning an illusion we invent for ourselves. The idea of a meaning that precedes existence – that is, an actual meaning to our existence, not one slapped on arbitrarily to make us feel better – was something I could respect. So why would anyone be offended that we share our beliefs and opinions? I would be diturbed by a religious group that didn’t. Why hide a good thing? Why claim a belief you don’t believe, or deny one you do believe? If a thing is true, why not tell people why you think so, and if not, why not look for what is true? What is truth? It’s reality, fact, that which is, that which we perceive when our senses work as they were made to. Not to believe in truth is to fail to meet one’s basic needs and responsibilities, for perceiving reality is absolutely necessary for every function in life. It’s no good trying to philosophize away the need to learn and defend truth.
 
I am bewildered by the attitude exemplified by Hashem Echad. I was drawn to Christianity not only by the evidence for it (which is overwhelming) but also powerfully by the sweetly uncomplicated confidence so many Christians have that they have important knowledge worth sharing. It’s a refreshing change from the world I was used to where opinions were seen as inborn personality traits, truth a chemical feeling in the brain and meaning an illusion we invent for ourselves. The idea of a meaning that precedes existence – that is, an actual meaning to our existence, not one slapped on arbitrarily to make us feel better – was something I could respect. So why would anyone be offended that we share our beliefs and opinions? I would be diturbed by a religious group that didn’t. Why hide a good thing? Why claim a belief you don’t believe, or deny one you do believe? If a thing is true, why not tell people why you think so, and if not, why not look for what is true? What is truth? It’s reality, fact, that which is, that which we perceive when our senses work as they were made to. Not to believe in truth is to fail to meet one’s basic needs and responsibilities, for perceiving reality is absolutely necessary for every function in life. It’s no good trying to philosophize away the need to learn and defend truth.
I don’t mind people sharing their religious beliefs ONCE. But too often I have had Christians share it AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN until I sometimes felt I needed to curse the name of Jesus just to get them to STOP. That’s how bad some Christians can get with this proselytization thing.

To make matters worse, when my mother was dying in the hospital a few months ago, her nurse began trying to proselytize me. I had to leave to get her to shut up. I complained to her surpervisor, and she was fired (evidently, it was not the first time she’d done that.)

Then, more recently, I got a letter from a JW who worked for the hospice my mother was taken care of by (after she was diagnosed as terminal). and SHE tried converting me (this time to JWism). I complained to the hospice corporation, and she too was fired for it.

I know I speak for all Jews, but especially for myself: JUST LEAVE US ALONE. We’ve heard the damn message, we’ve got it memorized for crying out loud. And it MEANS NOTHING TO US. I, at least, have long since reached saturation point with “the Gospel message” and would be eternally thankful to God if I never had to hear it again.

At this point, I put the Christian message right up there with Vonage and Head-On commercials. Enough already!
 
I have been on this forum for some time now and one thing that keeps striking me is the anger continually being expressed by so many people. I have noticed this quite often among those who hold very rigid beliefs, whether Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Islamic or atheist. Usually it seems to me that these folks are afraid that their dearly held beliefs may not be as rock solid as they would like them to be? On the other hand, those who admit to not knowing all the answers and that not everything is black and white and leave some wiggle room, tend to be kindlier and gentler. Anyone else notice this?
:yup: I see what you mean.
 
I know I speak for all Jews, but especially for myself: JUST LEAVE US ALONE. We’ve heard the damn message, we’ve got it memorized for crying out loud. And it MEANS NOTHING TO US. I, at least, have long since reached saturation point with “the Gospel message” and would be eternally thankful to God if I never had to hear it again.
Yet, when Jews do convert to Christianity, they often express surprise that the Gospel message is really not what they had thought it was. That was also my own impression as a former pagan. I had thought, after thousands of exposures, that the Christian message was, stop being naughty, be perfect in every way, and a man with a white beard will give you everything you want. That’s Santa Claus! It can take many times hearing the same words to go from just memorizing a few phrases tog etting the point. When someone is saying something out of love for truth and love for God and love for neighbor and is accused of hostile or cruel motives, that is a clear sign of misunderstanding.
 
Yet, when Jews do convert to Christianity, they often express surprise that the Gospel message is really not what they had thought it was. That was also my own impression as a former pagan. I had thought, after thousands of exposures, that the Christian message was, stop being naughty, be perfect in every way, and a man with a white beard will give you everything you want. That’s Santa Claus! It can take many times hearing the same words to go from just memorizing a few phrases tog etting the point. When someone is saying something out of love for truth and love for God and love for neighbor and is accused of hostile or cruel motives, that is a clear sign of misunderstanding.
Well, I can speak for myself in this: believe me, I KNOW what “the Gospel message” is. When I met my husband, he came from a fundamentalist Baptist background. Although he converted to Orthodox Judaism a year before we met, when we married I found some old Christian tracts in some of his old books, from his Christian days. He forgot he had them, but they were the pink and gray “God’s Simple Plan of Salvation” tracts (not sure if you’re familiar with them.)

I have studied many world religions, and have worked with Christians in ecumenical relations. I have also read the NT completely through, several times. I do volunteer work as an exit counselor (which is a person who helps Jews who converted to other religions, return to Judaism if that is their choice.) Because of this, I have to be very familiar with the teachings and beliefs of other religions (at least the ones Jews are most likely to convert to.)

I also hold a degree in comparative religion. I realize this doesn’t mean I understand “the Gospel message”, but trust me, I DO. I have set Catholics and even evangelicals straight on the teachings of their own faiths, when they themselves did not fully grasp them.

I know fully what you believe. I just don’t accept it. So based on what you said then, this is one Jew who does NOT need to hear “the Gospel message” because I have heard it so many times I am thoroughly sick of it.
 
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