Verbage? What are you asking? I cannot find the word “verbage” in the dictionary.
In this thread, why would I criticize Mormons for not recognizing the baptisms of other churches? That is not the topic of this thread.
I don’t think that the commonly accepted understanding of the Trinity is as you state it here. God, Jesus and the Holy Sprit are three *distinct * persons that are each the one God. The name Father Son and Holy Spriit are not simply “titles” for the same single person, although I think it is correct to say that they are all the name of God.
In my church, when we baptize, we use the following words, as are found in the Book of Mormon:
Why would a baby in such a situation need to be baptized? Do you believe if this baby is not baptized before death, God will send that baby to hell? If you do, what type of God do you worship?
I don’t quite understand your understanding of God. You claim that there are three persons, yet all three are God. Do they take turns being God? The Bible does not refer to God as being three persons. How can God be three distinct persons? What type of distinction are you referring to? The Mormons make a degree of distinction where the three are actually three separate beings. What level of distinction do you make? What makes these three persons distinct?
then you claim this:
Is there another religion that uses the Book of Mormon other than LDS or are you being untruthful?
It’s a very common word, I’m suprised you didn’t recognize it, even if it was spelled wrong. Try looking under the correct spelling of “verbiage”. Or you can just look here if: m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=verbiage
My point is simply “Father, Son and Holy Spirit” mean different things to a Mormon than they do to a Catholic. Maybe you think that it’s not important. I do. I think that the person baptizing must have a proper understanding of who and what the Trinity is. As far as authority goes, where does it say in the Bible that a person must have priesthood authority to baptize?
Vitus…my bad…thanks for the correction.
My apologies if I am not clear. Perhaps the Catechism of the Catholic Church is more clear:
But if you cannot understand it, how do you know it is true? By claiming that this Trinity cannot fully be comprehended by the human mind, you are just hanging the concept upon ignorance. Mormons can do the very same thing with their beliefs. Since the Bible does directly say that “baptism for the dead” is not of God, the Mormons can simply say that the human mind cannot fully comprehend it at this time, and thus they can call it a mystery. Claiming ignorance of something, even in part, is not a very strong argument to support your view of it.
Clear to whom? What makes it so clear? The Bible does not directly say that the Godhead consists of three persons that are all God. Are you basing your argument on the fact that there are three names given, namely the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? Why does this have to show that there are three distinct persons? Why can’t these three names be references for one God who is one person? Where in the Bible does it make clear that there are definitely three distinct persons?
I was just trying to make sense out of what you were saying.
Again, I ask – where?
Oh my gosh!!! I cannot believe you would even ask that. I worship God, the Triune God who is merciful, just, loving and kind. No, God does not send anyone to hell…we do that all on our own, thank you very much! We are all born with the stain of original sin. Baptism erases that stain and therefore we are cleansed again. When a baby is born and is in danger of death, we baptize them so they will have the stain of original sin removed. What God does with them is God’s decision. Just as God will judge any one who comes before Him.
Where in the Bible does it state that we are born with this stain of original sin?
Where does the Bible make this statement about the role of baptism?
So, you are implying that if the baby dies before being baptized, this original sin will not have been removed and the baby dies with the stain still upon him or her.
Where do you believe God sends humans who die with this stain still with them? Do you believe that they will go to heaven to be with God while bearing this stain?
Perhaps the LDS do baptize with the belief that the Godhead consists of three separate entities. But the matter of baptism still comes down to one thing: whether the one performing the baptism is authorized by God to baptize.
So, what you are saying is that the Catholic church makes the rules and requirements for baptism, rather than God. God has to accept the baptisms that the Catholic church decides are properly performed. This is one thing that makes me extremely wary about the Catholic church.
Again, you show me that the validity of a baptism is decided by the Catholic church, rather than God. When did the Catholic church become more powerful than God? When did the Catholic church usurp the authority of the Almighty God?
He’s in a cult OF a cult? Well then, that explains an awful lot.
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Rod Of Iron,