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Sister_Amy
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Because I don’t think you’re interested, so why take the time?
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Booklover
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You’re hedging again! In other words, you don’t have an answer!Because I don’t think you’re interested, so why take the time?
It seems that many of your co-religionists don’t know what they mean either, since they use them to justify acts of violence against other people.Vickie
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Sister_Amy
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An answer to what?You’re hedging again! In other words, you don’t have an answer!
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Booklover
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Still more hedging! In other words, you don’t really have a clue to what they mean, or they mean precisely what they say and you don’t want to admit the violence in the Quran.
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R_not
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I get the same thing from planten.
Basically, they cannot defend, explain or anything of their own texts - hence, using terror.
I was actually wondering if there would be a response - I was interested. But, to me this is an example of muslims thinking that they #1. either don’t have to explain their texts to us, OR #2. they don’t have an explanation of their texts. It seems that #2 choice is the appropriate choice of what is going on, and because they are unable to defend their stuff they use any means possible to shove it down our throats.
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I posted this on ‘Ask About islam 2’ but this hour long show (believe me it goes by fast) on Walid Shoebat telling him of why muslims are so eager to kill themselves while killing Jews. They are intercessors for their loved ones to get to heaven, and they get a free pass to heaven too. they bypass all that predestination that mohammed preached.
It also goes into the brainwashing that he got to kill and hate Jews in schools. Even the Christian schools teach Jesus as a Palestinian revolutionary! This is a disgrace in itself, but probably why they still exist.
Walid Shoebat..
Select the program that says, Talking It Over, PART 1.
December 13, 2008.
Take note of the celebration that he describes after someone killed themself when killing Jews, how the whole community celebrates - his own mother organizing a wedding celebration. This would explain the celebration after 9/11 by so many ‘moderates’.
It also goes into the brainwashing that he got to kill and hate Jews in schools. Even the Christian schools teach Jesus as a Palestinian revolutionary! This is a disgrace in itself, but probably why they still exist.
Walid Shoebat..
Select the program that says, Talking It Over, PART 1.
December 13, 2008.
Take note of the celebration that he describes after someone killed themself when killing Jews, how the whole community celebrates - his own mother organizing a wedding celebration. This would explain the celebration after 9/11 by so many ‘moderates’.
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TAke note of this video - a lot of ‘moderates’ turn out for preaching about violent jihad! How come the silence of them to denounce jihad - they keep telling us that the violent ones distort islam (yeah, and pigs fly).
‘moderate’ Sheik yusuf Al-Qaradawi preaching jihad in America (and it ain’t that ‘inner struggle’ kind!)
In my previous post asking to have people listen to, take note that Walid points out that when in their mosques they say this stuff and walk out and give us another story.
Why is this guy still preaching? He also gives money to Hamas in their endevors to wipe out Israel.
Take note the number of muslims in his presence listening to this crud.
‘moderate’ Sheik yusuf Al-Qaradawi preaching jihad in America (and it ain’t that ‘inner struggle’ kind!)
In my previous post asking to have people listen to, take note that Walid points out that when in their mosques they say this stuff and walk out and give us another story.
Why is this guy still preaching? He also gives money to Hamas in their endevors to wipe out Israel.
Take note the number of muslims in his presence listening to this crud.
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Here is why muslims are so violent.
Petrodictators oppress their own people, because they don’t need to rely on their citizens to make money.
Oppressed citizens have a tendancy to be violent, especially young, oppressed citizens.
In order to make sure that these young, oppressed citizens do not turn their violence on their leaders, their leaders given them millions and millions of dollars (paid by us for oil), and let them spread their most violent forms of Islam in other countries.
So we get plenty of oil, the dictators get plenty of money and the terrorists get plenty of everything. And the only price we pay is the occassional terrorist attack which, apparently, is a price we as a nation still find acceptable.
Petrodictators oppress their own people, because they don’t need to rely on their citizens to make money.
Oppressed citizens have a tendancy to be violent, especially young, oppressed citizens.
In order to make sure that these young, oppressed citizens do not turn their violence on their leaders, their leaders given them millions and millions of dollars (paid by us for oil), and let them spread their most violent forms of Islam in other countries.
So we get plenty of oil, the dictators get plenty of money and the terrorists get plenty of everything. And the only price we pay is the occassional terrorist attack which, apparently, is a price we as a nation still find acceptable.
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the problem with that hypothesis is that before oil there was muslim violence. What was mohammed’s excuse and his excuse that his followers were violent? Or the excuses for all the jihads waged before our time and after mohammed? The carnage, slavery, and human atrocities that islam has brought is beyond excuses.
(hint: greed (slaves and booty), sexual lust (taking of women and children as slaves to do with them as they will, taking of children as wives, taking of his stepson’s wife, etc), etc)
And this is not acceptable. the price we are paying is the creeping of sharia into our system (AIG is now being sued over that), segregation, our Universities and other education levels teaching revisionist history according to make islam and mohammed ‘smell’ better, the muslims suing and using our judicial system because they don’t know how to keep their ‘religion’ to themselves - they are paying the ACLU to keep quiet about such things as children reciting the koran or ‘praying like a muslim’, etc
The increase of crimes just as in Europe against Jews even right on our own campuses and elsewhere!
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Valke2
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But the violence was local and not widely practiced.
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ferdie
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The muslim violence in the Philippines is local.
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local = India, Africa, Europe, Asia,… just not in the Americas until they started migrating over here and started their junk like they do elsewhere.
History of jihad
An example of their junk on our own shores:
‘moderate’ Sheik yusuf Al-Qaradawi preaching jihad in America (and it ain’t that ‘inner struggle’ kind!)
And we (Europe and on our continent) we are capturing doctors, professors, and others who have college educations, etc. who are supporting, planning, and pushing that violent jihad (that jihad that is 97% of jihad taught in the koran).
So, don’t give us the junk that it is the poor or anything like that, or that it is ‘local’. Yeah - local - in your local neighborhood? Is that what you mean?
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Sister_Amy
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Saying I don’t have an answer implies there exists some question. I never saw a question, only statements. I don’t even know if I have an answer or not because I don’t even know the question.You’re hedging again! In other words, you don’t have an answer!
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But maybe you’re all-knowing and I didn’t get the memo.
But then again, you’ll probably just say I’m hedging again. That’s why it’s so useless try to engage in discussion with you.
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Jay53
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Sister Amy, Read Post #169. She’s looking for the correct interpretation of those verses.Saying I don’t have an answer implies there exists some question. I never saw a question, only statements. I don’t even know if I have an answer or not because I don’t even know the question.
But maybe you’re all-knowing and I didn’t get the memo.
But then again, you’ll probably just say I’m hedging again. That’s why it’s so useless try to engage in discussion with you.
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franklinf
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Yes, could you explain those quotes - you are the Muslim, give your interpretation. Those look rather violent to me. How do you explain the one from the Hadith or Sura 9? Those are not indicative of what I would call a “religion of peace.”Saying I don’t have an answer implies there exists some question. I never saw a question, only statements. I don’t even know if I have an answer or not because I don’t even know the question.
But maybe you’re all-knowing and I didn’t get the memo.
But then again, you’ll probably just say I’m hedging again. That’s why it’s so useless try to engage in discussion with you.
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franklinf
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Are you serious? Islam spread through violent conquest. I would not call Islamic warfare on nations from Spain to Constantinople “local and not widely practiced.”
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inJESUS
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i agree. Maybe Valke had something in mind other than the offensive conquests led by the caliphs.
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Valke2
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You can spin it any way you want. THe fact is that it is petro dollars that are financing the spread of the most hateful and fringe elements of Islam and that we are doing it at a time when funded terrorists can do more damage than ever before in history.
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Valke2
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Yes. My concern is with the most effective ways of stopping those who wish to spread jihad agaisnt the west. As I’ve said before, the best way to do this is to take away their income by not purchasing oil from petrodictators in the mideast.
Today we have a situation were there are a billion moderate muslims who are being exposed to the most violent and puritanical interpetations of Islam because Saudia Arabia and others are financing this hatred with money they make at our gas pumps.
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