Why are muslims so violent?

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Sister_Amy said:
What do you think I should do? This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know. What do you think I should do?
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  • Its Bukhari b9, v86, n101 mohammad: “Silence is consent.”
Stop deceiving others about islam and wake up to what it is really about. Especially what mohammed was all about - killing, enslaving, looting, etc - you have heard it all before. It is all in islam’s koran, and also hadiths. And all of those things are still being practiced with no end in sight by its followers.

Since you are a convert you should know how to do reading and research on your own.

Anyone who asks a person to lie about something that should be a warning signal right there. And that is what the koran/mohammed has done. But, also to know islam’s history does take more digging since the muslims are successfully getting revisionist history taught in our own schools. And the MSA is a big influence in the Universities they are islam’s useful Idiots.

Lucifer is known as ‘the Prince of Lies’, and that is what mohammed/islam/allah is all about - not the Angel of the Lord, Gabriel.
  • Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth-> 6:25 6:110
  • Intentionally preventing unbelievers from Understanding Qur’an-> 17:45-76
  • Willfully misguiding some-> 16:93
  • God could guide, if he chose to, but did not-> 6:35
  • Intentionally misguiding those whom he pleases to->14:4
Now, if the Bible was corrupted there would be better proof than there is. And why would God go to the effort to make sure He has given us the gift of creating the Bible knowing its message and then just changing it so He could tell some guy to just kill those who didn’t follow him, or enslave them, or steal from them? That just doesn’t make sense.

The Bible wasn’t changed by us - it was changed by mohammed though. Because mohammed didn’t have a clue as to what the Bible contained, its message, its prophecies, etc.

Unless you are afraid since now that you are a muslim, leaving islam has put you on a different level now and no one wants to see you hurt.

Otherwise, if you are still claiming to be a muslim then I will still continue to pray for you to wake up and see the problem with it. I have never fallen for such a thing and don’t know what that is like. I have seen and been there for people who have seen it and I don’t have to go and see a beheading as my old boyfriend was forced to witness when he was in Saudi Arabia, or see people blown to bits like some fellow Marines, and Navy guys, were in Lebanon during my time at Camp Lejeune, or see women shot in the head because of some fantasy transgression in some guy’s head, etc. And know that all the ones who just let it happen do so out of fear, or just blind acceptance.
  • Its Bukhari b9, v86, n101 mohammad: “Silence is consent.”
 
Sister_Amy said:
What do you think I should do? This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know. What do you think I should do?
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Maybe go to the street and voice it out. There are so many of you it will make good publicity. At least you show you disagree. The other side did that and people notice. You too can do the same.

Use common public forum - the UN or anything. Set up peace movement; petition to the rich Arab kings, protest in front of their palaces. Use the TV, throw shoes at the President of Iran even if you get shot while doing it to get people to notice, etc and etc. There is so much that can be done. You have the number; it should not be too difficult.
 
Sister_Amy said:
What do you think I should do? This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know. What do you think I should do?
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This reminds me of the neo nazi rally in Skokie IL. They say vile things and upheld white supremacy. You know what caucasians did? To show the world that not all caucasians are like this KKK, they made a counter rally. So you can see in the news not only the KKK but those white people who oppose them. They did not wait for colored people to counter the KKK, their own took care of it.

Peaceful muslims can do the same thing. I suggested before that with the fast communication that we have right now, there is NO REASON why good muslim clerics should not have each others cell phone to quickly organize a counter rally against muslim fundamentalist.
Pressure your government to carve violence against non-muslims.
Conduct dialogues with fundamentalist clerics in a public forum.
Elect regional leaders among the muslim clerics to speak for good muslims.
Educate your children to fight fundamentalist muslims by using REASON.
Encourage public dialogue, dabates, and reasoning instead of violence.
Expose mosques that preach violence. Name names so that muslim people will know who these people are and stop going to that mosque.
Use the internet, youtube. You don’t have to wait for the media to
take notice of you. Take actions and non-muslims like us will join you in your protest.
Do what the protestants did in the 1500’s, protest against the bad actions of the religious.😃
Declare a peaceful jihad against fundamentalist clerics and their followers.
Protest mosques, schools. collages and universities that teach violence, and false history.
Be creative and reclaim the peaceful name of Islam.
 
ferdie said:
This reminds me of the neo nazi rally in Skokie IL. They say vile things and upheld white supremacy. You know what caucasians did? To show the world that not all caucasians are like this KKK, they made a counter rally. So you can see in the news not only the KKK but those white people who oppose them. They did not wait for colored people to counter the KKK, their own took care of it.

Peaceful muslims can do the same thing. I suggested before that with the fast communication that we have right now, there is NO REASON why good muslim clerics should not have each others cell phone to quickly organize a counter rally against muslim fundamentalist.
Pressure your government to carve violence against non-muslims.
Conduct dialogues with fundamentalist clerics in a public forum.
Elect regional leaders among the muslim clerics to speak for good muslims.
Educate your children to fight fundamentalist muslims by using REASON.
Encourage public dialogue, dabates, and reasoning instead of violence.
Expose mosques that preach violence. Name names so that muslim people will know who these people are and stop going to that mosque.
Use the internet, youtube. You don’t have to wait for the media to
take notice of you. Take actions and non-muslims like us will join you in your protest.
Do what the protestants did in the 1500’s, protest against the bad actions of the religious.😃
Declare a peaceful jihad against fundamentalist clerics and their followers.
Protest mosques, schools. collages and universities that teach violence, and false history.
Be creative and reclaim the peaceful name of Islam.
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The moderates know the fanatics will kill them. That only shows how dangerous their world community has become. I submit the fanatics *out-number *the moderates, big time.
 
KingAlfred said:
The moderates know the fanatics will kill them. That only shows how dangerous their world community has become. I submit the fanatics *out-number *the moderates, big time.
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Maybe not. One man who is willing to take action is worth 10 who will not. Even if that action is violent in nature, one who will act is still stronger than 10
 
Sister_Amy said:
What do you think I should do? This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know. What do you think I should do?
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Since we as a country don’t seem ready to take steps to live in a way that doesn’t finance this religouis terrorism, I don’t know how we can tell someone else what to do. If I were a moderate muslim my main concern would be making sure my children weren’t overly exposed to a philosophy of jihad against the west.

My personal opinion is that the more tolerance one can incorporate into their religous views the better. Or, if tolerance is a buzz word that brings forth negative connotations and debate, then bringing in a greater understanding that your neighbor’s way of worshipping God is different but not necessarily inferior to yours, is always a good thing.

And no, I don’t believe this requires silent apporval of those who preach hatred and violence.
 
Why Muslims won’t be violent if Muhammad and his successors were?

Shafi’i’s in his book, “The Ordinances of the Qur’an” (part 2, p. 50),

“The apostle of God killed and captured (many) of the people of the Book until some of them embraced Islam, and he imposed the poll-tax on some others.”

From idolaters and those who associate other gods with God, the poll-tax is not to be accepted. Either they believe in Islam or be killed, but the people of the Book can pay the poll-tax with **submission and humiliation **whether they are Arabs or non-Arabs" (pp. 52,53).

The Book of the Islamic State" by Taqiy al-Din al-Nabahan says,

"He (Muhammad) subdued the tribe of Quraysh as a body, along with other similar groups until Islam prevailed all over the Arabian peninsula. Then the Islamic state started to knock at the doors of other states to spread Islam. Whenever it found that the nature of the existing system in these states was a barrier which prevented the spread of the mission, they saw it as inevitable that the system be removed. So holy war continued as a means of spreading Islam. Thus by holy war, countries and regions were conquered. By holy war, kingdoms and states were removed and Islam ruled the nations and peoples.

"The glorious Qur’an has revealed to Muslims the reasons for fighting and the ordinance of holy war and it declares that it is to carry the message of Islam to the entire world. There are several verses which command the Muslims to fight for the cause of Islam. Therefore, carrying the Islamic mission is the basis on which the Islamic state was established, the Islamic army was founded, and holy war was ordained. All the conquests were achieved accordingly. Fulfilling the Islamic mission will restore the Islamic state to the Muslims."

The Islamic system is a universal system, thus it was natural that it would spread, and natural that countries would be conquered. Here the apostle is receiving from Muslims the pledge of ’aqaba the Second, making a pact with him to fight all people. Those Muslims were the core of the army of the Islamic state whose military task was to carry the Islamic mission. The apostle of God had designed the plan of conquest before his death, then after him, his successors undertook the responsibility of implementing this plan when they started conquering the countries. Later, the Islamic conquests followed successively on this basis. People’s resistance or rejection does not matter because the Islamic system is for all people in all countries."

the book, “The Rightly Guided Caliphs,” by Dr. Abu Zayd says on pages 131 and 132,

“Abu ’Ubayda marched towards Damascus and besieged it for seventy nights. He cut off all supplies while its inhabitants were pleading for help and assistance. Then Khalid attacked the city and massacred thousands of people. (They were forced) to ask for a peace treaty. Abu ’Ubayda turned over the rule of Damascus to Yazid and ordered him to invade the neighboring (cities). He attacked Sidon, Beirut, and others.”

And some are wondering where the violence of Islam comes from? it simply comes from the very founder and his successors.
 
I am uncomfortable with the imagery on the front page of that website. “Islam denounces terrorism” next to an image of the exploding tower…and then further down a video of the exploding tower. It just seems weird, that’s all.

Also, I am immediately leery of any organization that calls upon the “People of the Book” to join “forces” with Muslims. Why is there this huge drive to spread Islamic understanding among Christians, while none make an attempt to understand Christianity? Frankly, I get tired of being told that if I really understood Islam, I wouldn’t have serious reservations about it. Just because I reject knee-jerk “all Muslims are terrorists” sorts of equivocations, doesn’t mean that I’ll buy all this stuff about “the pacifism of Islam” as listed on that website. I would think that it is at least most honest to say that Islam can be pacifistic and it can be violent, but it is mostly a matter of the balance of power in any region, not a matter of basic core values that this site claims that we all share (as individuals or indvidual groups, yes, as religious ideologies, no!).

I would rather see “Islam_accepts_religious_pluralism.com” than this other website, but that will never, ever happen if not on Islamic terms which I personally do not believe represent true tolerance and recognition of religious equality.I really wish I could say otherwise, but I know too many Christians from Muslim-majority countries to believe that it is so. 😦
 
Sagefrakrobatik said:
islamdenouncesterrorism.com/
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the link starts with:
Terrorism is a crime against humanity.
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are offensive wars to spread Islam not considered terrorism?
Islam is a religion that means “peace”.
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it means submission, not peace.
In the Koran, the Holy Book of Islam, God commands believers to bring peace and security to the world.
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that’s exactly what muhammad and his successors did by conquering and slaughtering those who did not accept Islam. Peace in Islam is how Muhammad defined it, even if by peace you must conquer other peoples lands and slaughter them for rejecting Allah or simply Muhammad. Arguing otherwise means a good part of Muhammad and his successors’ tradition must be thrown away.
 
dzheremi said:
Just because I reject knee-jerk “all Muslims are terrorists” sorts of equivocations, doesn’t mean that I’ll buy all this stuff about “the pacifism of Islam” as listed on that website.
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correct, one must differentiate between the ideologies of Islam from his nice Muslim neighbors. If my Muslim neighbor hates violence, it doesn’t mean Muhammad and his successors did not commit it and teach it.
 
Sagefrakrobatik said:
islamdenouncesterrorism.com/
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Well, then they need to go and tell it to their own - yeah, their own who attack unarmed civilians. We see it time and again. Or the mosques that they are preaching hatred in - those same that I have posted quite often - especially this week - and in the past that are still doing it.

And the jihadists who train in Pakistan, our own have been caught leaving for Pakistan to train as jihadists, as have European muslims.

There is no concerted effort by the saudis to stop funding those jihadists, or to stop funding the Palestinians from not only teaching hatred to children and their full blown teaching them of weaponry and how to behead full grown men. And the stone throwing of the Palestinians at the Jews just because they are a Jew! Or the stock piling of weapons by Hezbollah in Lebanon against the Israelis, as is hamas and whatever other whack jobs that are in the Gaza so they all can lob bombs into Israel on a daily basis.

Or the kidnapping, enslaving, forced conversions and rape (they call it marriage after they kidnap girl children), beheadings etc of children and also adults - both male and female.

The ones that they want to have fall for the garbage in those books are their ‘useful Idiots’.
 
Forgive me, what does “Isa akbar” mean? i saw it on one of the posts here. Thank you
 
R_not said:
Well, then they need to go and tell it to their own - yeah, their own who attack unarmed civilians. We see it time and again. Or the mosques that they are preaching hatred in - those same that I have posted quite often - especially this week - and in the past that are still doing it.

And the jihadists who train in Pakistan, our own have been caught leaving for Pakistan to train as jihadists, as have European muslims.

There is no concerted effort by the saudis to stop funding those jihadists, or to stop funding the Palestinians from not only teaching hatred to children and their full blown teaching them of weaponry and how to behead full grown men. And the stone throwing of the Palestinians at the Jews just because they are a Jew! Or the stock piling of weapons by Hezbollah in Lebanon against the Israelis, as is hamas and whatever other whack jobs that are in the Gaza so they all can lob bombs into Israel on a daily basis.

Or the kidnapping, enslaving, forced conversions and rape (they call it marriage after they kidnap girl children), beheadings etc of children and also adults - both male and female.

The ones that they want to have fall for the garbage in those books are their ‘useful Idiots’.
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Ditto…and thanks for that link!! It has some very interesting reading in it!!
 
RobHom said:
Ditto…and thanks for that link!! It has some very interesting reading in it!!
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You’re welcome. I gotta ‘million’ of them! (just my attempt at being funny) but it is true - I got websites for just about anything and pile them up on a daily basis. Give me a subject on islam and I can probably give you a website for an article and/or a video. If the video is gone I probably downloaded it because the muslims, such as CAIR, get youtube to censor some stuff.

And sometimes I repost them because you never know when a newbee comes onboard and reads for the first time some of the posts.

And I don’t think I have seen your id before so welcome to these threads!
 
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