Why are muslims so violent?

[emarc]

…Remember - there are over a billion muslims throughout the world. Only a handful engage in violence. The vast majority are normal everyday people like you and me with jobs and families to take care of, who pray, who attend mosque, who try to live up to the spiritual precepts of their religion as best they can.

a handful engage in violence but explain why muslim populations in muslim countries all over the world dance and rejoice, and hail obl as a hero for his 911 attacks? when muslims raised hell as one against that carton about mohammad? when the whole arab countries condemn israel for retaliating against hamas while silent when hamas broke the peace agreement by sending rockets themselves against israel?
God bless.

 

[ralphinal]

I am waiting for the vast majority of Muslims who want peace and want to allow for free expression of religion to tell this loud minority to sit the **** down and shut the **** up.

Otherwise, they either condone it or don’t care.

 

[Agabriel]

The moderates know the fanatics will kill them. That only shows how dangerous their world community has become. I submit the fanatics *out-number *the moderates, big time.

I don’t think that there are that many moderates. there is a movement that is more known as reformists. Even them I don’t understand. I don’t know how they can justify following Muhammad, but they are more open to discussing the problems in Islam and voicing the fact they want change.

 

[Agabriel]

a handful engage in violence but explain why muslim populations in muslim countries all over the world dance and rejoice, and hail obl as a hero for his 911 attacks? when muslims raised hell as one against that carton about mohammad? when the whole arab countries condemn israel for retaliating against hamas while silent when hamas broke the peace agreement by sending rockets themselves against israel?
God bless.

Since no one has answered your question, I can do it for you.

Because the moderates are not really moderates. They follow the Quran and know that their fellow Muslim is a shahid (martyr). If it is the family that is celebrating then they plan a celebration and the community partakes in the festivities. The family knows that they will probably be one of the 70 named to be saved (taken to heaven) and they might even get some money from those Muslim’s Charities. That is what those charities are all about. They fund and support Jihadists and their families.

What we hear is only the deception of what Islam is from so called moderates. Deception is a part of Islam - it is all in their Quran.

 

[Agabriel]

Here is just a few of the latest attacks by muslims:

12/29/2008 (Ashdod, Israel) - A mother of four is killed by a Palestinian rocket.
12/29/2008 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - Two Afghan civilians by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
12/29/2008 (Ashkelon, Israel) - Hamas rockets hit an Israeli home, killing a resident.
12/28/2008 (Miranshah, Pakistan) - Three young civilians, including an 18-year-old, are kidnapped and hung by Taliban militants.
12/28/2008 (Mosul, Iraq) - A 12-year-old boy is among four civilians taken out by a suicide bomber on a bicycle.
12/28/2008 (Fallujah, Iraq) - Four Iraqis are murdered in two Jihad bombings.

I wonder how much longer Israel is supposed to take the continued attacks on its civilians. And when they strike back that is the only time we hear anything in the news - not the daily attacks against them by muslims that are in the Gaza and also in Lebanon.

And there is no care that they kill their own.

Muhammad was very keen on attacking civilians who were unarmed. And that is what we see going back in most of these attacks and even further back to 9/11 and previous. Jihadists attacking unarmed civilians.

No outrage, nothing, from the ones who want us to label them as peaceful.

 

[ferdie]

Here is just a few of the latest attacks by muslims:

**12/29/2008 (Ashdod, Israel) - A mother of four is killed by a Palestinian rocket. **
**12/29/2008 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - Two Afghan civilians by a Fedayeen suicide bomber. **
**12/29/2008 (Ashkelon, Israel) - Hamas rockets hit an Israeli home, killing a resident. **
**12/28/2008 (Miranshah, Pakistan) - Three young civilians, including an 18-year-old, are kidnapped and hung by Taliban militants. **
**12/28/2008 (Mosul, Iraq) - A 12-year-old boy is among four civilians taken out by a suicide bomber on a bicycle. **
12/28/2008 (Fallujah, Iraq) - Four Iraqis are murdered in two Jihad bombings.

I wonder how much longer Israel is supposed to take the continued attacks on its civilians. And when they strike back that is the only time we hear anything in the news - not the daily attacks against them by muslims that are in the Gaza and also in Lebanon.

And there is no care that they kill their own.

Muhammad was very keen on attacking civilians who were unarmed. And that is what we see going back in most of these attacks and even further back to 9/11 and previous. Jihadists attacking unarmed civilians.

No outrage, nothing, from the ones who want us to label them as peaceful.

Those are the reported ones. There are a lot of muslim violence in the Philippines that are not reported at all, not even a police report.

 

[joe_clark]

The probem with the UN is that it is dominated by anti Semitic leftists and it grants legitimacy to tyrannical regimes.

The UN should be dissolved and replaced with an organization that excludes non democratic nations.

Once again, Please read my comment. The UN was formed to head off disaster. Blaming the organization (the UN) and or the people who formed it and or the country it is located in, is not the problem.

** It will be up to the human race NOT THE UN OR ANY GOVERNING BODY to settle differences peacefully. People settle differences. It will be our hand, our will, which given by God to be used or abused. ** I know this is difficult for most people but, We must all accept responsibility and not leave it up to God. If we do this together, we will live together in peace and Gods love through each other.

 

[R_not]

I once stood in front of a classroom full of police officers to explain why Muslims consider jihad to be a noble concept in Islam. They got it.

Catholics get it too, and have the same thing. They just demonize it when they see it in others.

Consider “Just War Theory.”

‘I once stood in front of a classroom full of police officers to explain why muslims consider jihad to be a noble concept in islam…’ and sort of forgot to tell them that 97% of jihad taught in the koran is of the violent kind with that ‘inner struggle’ being in among the other types of jihad that is only 3% of jihad that is taught. Oops - big mistake, huh?! :tsktsk: but, I bet you also didn’t tell them that you are also taught to deceive and confuse so that they don’t understand the koran. And that is also considered jihad, to support the ones who fight. hence, muslim charities!

Did you quote some abrogated surahs for them too?

 

[R_not]

Those are the reported ones. There are a lot of muslim violence in the Philippines that are not reported at all, not even a police report.

Yeah, I figured that there was a bunch of unreported ones. I only took a very, small handful of the violence worldwide.

The Philippines is a major problem.

But, instead of our countries working together to resolve issues - we are all left to our own devices. We have violence in India, the Balkans, the middle East, other parts of Asia, etc and we barely help each other out. NATO is (to me a joke), but it has been there even though it has quite often just sat back and watched the muslims arming themselves, or attacking others.

But, to be quite truthful - we keep saying that islam is only a religion. And the muslims know that we respect religions. the problem is that islam is religion/politics/control over the individual and their bodily functions/etc all in one.

We call this a ‘war on terror’ - which just totally is the stupidest thing on this world. To call a war after only one of their tactics is pure idiocy.

I got this quote from an Indian website that might put into perspective some of the violence perpetrated in the name of islam:

Genocide committed in the name of Allah: 3,000,000 Bangladeshi Hindus Killed during the Pakistan-Bangladesh war in 1971. From 1894 to 1896 Abdul Hamid, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, killed 150,000 Armenian Christians. In India, Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur along with his disciples was burned to death by the Moghul ruler Aurangzeb in 1675. Another Sikh, Bhai Mati Das was sawn into right and left halves while he was still alive. In July 1974, 4,000 Christians living in Cyprus were killed by Fahri Koroturk, president of Turkey and his Islamic army. From 1843 to 1846 10,000 Assyrian Christians including women and children were massacred by the Muslims. From 1915 to 1918 750,000 Assyrians were killed in the name of Islamic Jihad. In 1933 thousands of Assyrian villagers were murdered by the Iraqi soldiers in Northern Iraq. Since 1990 more than 10,000 Kashmiri Hindus have been brutally murdered by Islamic fundamentalists. Over 280,000 Ugandans killed during the reign of Idi Amin from 1971 to 1979. Over 30,000 Mauritanians have been killed by the Islamic dictators since 1960. In 1980, 20,000 Syrians were murdered under the rule of Hafez Al-Assad, President of Syria. Since 1992 120,000 Algerians have been murdered by the Islamic fundamentalist army.

It doesn’t even go into much of the deaths since they declared jihad against us in the 1970s and then again in the 1990s, etc. The Philippines has seen over 100,000 violent jihadist acts, much of it against unarmed civilians since 9/11 too.

 

[Charlotte2008]

www.thereligionofpeace.com keeps a good track of things actually happening. Perhaps some Muslims should take a look and see what they are actually involved in not just the whitewash version that they think so wonderful.

 

[ferdie]

Yeah, I figured that there was a bunch of unreported ones. I only took a very, small handful of the violence worldwide.

The Philippines is a major problem.

But, instead of our countries working together to resolve issues - we are all left to our own devices. We have violence in India, the Balkans, the middle East, other parts of Asia, etc and we barely help each other out. NATO is (to me a joke), but it has been there even though it has quite often just sat back and watched the muslims arming themselves, or attacking others.

But, to be quite truthful - we keep saying that islam is only a religion. And the muslims know that we respect religions. the problem is that islam is religion/politics/control over the individual and their bodily functions/etc all in one.

We call this a ‘war on terror’ - which just totally is the stupidest thing on this world. To call a war after only one of their tactics is pure idiocy.

I got this quote from an Indian website that might put into perspective some of the violence perpetrated in the name of islam:

It doesn’t even go into much of the deaths since they declared jihad against us in the 1970s and then again in the 1990s, etc. The Philippines has seen over 100,000 violent jihadist acts, much of it against unarmed civilians since 9/11 too.

And they are only 5% of the nation’s population. Compare that to the christian minorities in muslim countries. See the BIG difference in their conduct?

 

[cthulhubryan]

It doesn’t even go into much of the deaths since they declared jihad against us in the 1970s and then again in the 1990s, etc. The Philippines has seen over 100,000 violent jihadist acts, much of it against unarmed civilians since 9/11 too.

Let’s not forget the between 1,000,000 to 1,500,000 Armenians killed in the Armenian genocide.

 

[Sagefrakrobatik]

You guys have to take into consideration the difference between those who are terrorist and kill in the name of religion and those who maybe Muslim and kill.

What about those verses in the Quran like “To you Your religion to me Mine,” or 2;256 “There is no compulsion in religion” If there is no compulsion in religion why are Muslims ordered to kill the non-believer?

Also someone mention on here that she was introduced to the darkside of Islam because of an Abusive spouse. This is not just a phenomnon of Islam. A while back I took a class on Religion at a local community college. The teacher told us that there was one man who took the verse “wifes be submissive to your husband,” a little to far. He went searching for a church that would grant him the authoritiy to beat his wife. Fortunately, the women left the relationship.

 

[R_not]

You guys have to take into consideration the difference between those who are terrorist and kill in the name of religion and those who maybe Muslim and kill.

What about those verses in the Quran like “To you Your religion to me Mine,” or 2;256 “There is no compulsion in religion” If there is no compulsion in religion why are Muslims ordered to kill the non-believer?

Also someone mention on here that she was introduced to the darkside of Islam because of an Abusive spouse. This is not just a phenomnon of Islam. A while back I took a class on Religion at a local community college. The teacher told us that there was one man who took the verse “wifes be submissive to your husband,” a little to far. He went searching for a church that would grant him the authoritiy to beat his wife. Fortunately, the women left the relationship.

Actually, we could take into consideration the differences between “the difference between those who are terrorist and kill in the name of religion and those who maybe Muslim and kill” IF they didn’t yell out ‘allahu akbar’, aim for Jews or non-muslims and then say he did it for allah later on, etc.

You bring up something very interesting about ONE passage in the Bible about a wife to be submissive to her husband. It doesn’t say to beat her, stone her, hang her, or kill her in any other manner. Here is the problem with the koran and the sharia laws based on their religion - it does say to beat their women and it doesn’t give the woman any help if the beatings get out of hand, or if she gets killed. The sharia laws don’t protect a woman who dies at the hands of her male relatives - all they have to say that it was an ‘honor killing’ - something that was stopped in Judaism and Christianity a long, long time ago. Our laws take perps, put them in prison after a trial. their laws do nothing.

Their laws do nothing if a muslim kills a non-muslim - man, woman or child! But I divert.

Our colleges just LOVE to bring up bad things in Christianity and/or Judaism. You should have stood up and told them what I am telling you! Instead you let a lot of young adults around you just accepted it. :tsktsk:

There is compulsion in religion. All they have to do is make life so miserable for people they convert out of harassment. In some instances, what they do now in India and other places, they kidnap girls and force them to marry muslim males and convert. Then they don’t allow the parents to visit their children because they are of another religion.

And they can force sharia laws on us - which means then that we are officially subjugated. And that is when they start making life miserable for us non-muslims - oh they will make life miserable before that, but there will be no consequences to them after sharia laws are in place. They are trying to get sharia laws into our laws little by little. They are working on the financial institutions right now.

Abdurahman Alamoudi, Former leader American Muslim Council (AMC) in Dec 1996
‘We have a chance, in America, to be the moral leadership of America. The problem is when? It will happen, it will happen, praish allah the exalted. I have no doubt in my mind. It depends on me and you, either we do it now or we do it after a 100 years, but this country will become a muslim country…’

Abu Mujahid, spokesperson islamic Thinkers Society (ITS)
‘allah does say that the whole world will eventually be under his rule. The rule will come down to where everyone obeys the laws of god (sharia), as simple as that.’

Yousef Khattab, supporter:
-‘islam will dominate, this is what it will be.’
-‘We want to see sharia here and it will be. The flag of , “there is no god other than allah, muhammed is the messenger of god”, will be (god willing) on the White House, if thats where we choose it to be. It just takes time, the American people are waking up now.’
-‘There is no compulsion in islam, that means, we cannot force it on you, but we will force islamic (sharia), god willing.’

Omar Bakri Muhammad, Former leader Al-Muhajiroun
‘Jihad is a foreign policy to expand the islamic authority all over the world.’

Abu Jahya al-Libi, Al Qaeda leader
‘According to our belief, the whole world must be under the rule of islam without exception, even a single grain of soil.’

 

[R_not]

I will say that there is just a never ending supply of what the video posted here.

this is how the muslims pray at the hajj:

I wonder if paarsurrey is there asking the cleric to state the surahs before and after that tell this cleric to call for our deaths and destruction. How come no protests, riots or anything over this ‘misunderstander of islam’!!???!!

we certainly see that muslims do indeed make themselves heard with all the riots going on in Europe and who knows where else.

here we have muslims gluing themselves to the BBC entrance. Once again muslims seem to find their voices even though the Palestinians were the ones who started up the violence… AGAIN…

there are more muslim events being planned too if you read the article.

 

[paarsurrey]

I wonder if paarsurrey is there asking the cleric to state the surahs before and after that tell this cleric to call for our deaths and destruction.

Hi

I do what is possible to do peacefully ,with love and with wisdom.

I love Jesus and Mary and also truthful Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and the Muslims.

Thanks

 

[R_not]

Yeah, I noticed that too. I like how he qualified that for us while muslims are told to be deceptive. So he cannot put that qualifier on them.

 

[R_not]

Take note this mosque - stockpiling weapons.

Maybe we should be considering mosques more as ‘military bases’?!

This is not the first time this has happened that we find mosques having weapon caches or being the hotspots of jihadi activity.

 

[Sagefrakrobatik]

Actually, we could take into consideration the differences between “the difference between those who are terrorist and kill in the name of religion and those who maybe Muslim and kill” IF they didn’t yell out ‘allahu akbar’, aim for Jews or non-muslims and then say he did it for allah later on, etc.

You bring up something very interesting about ONE passage in the Bible about a wife to be submissive to her husband. It doesn’t say to beat her, stone her, hang her, or kill her in any other manner. Here is the problem with the koran and the sharia laws based on their religion - it does say to beat their women and it doesn’t give the woman any help if the beatings get out of hand, or if she gets killed. The sharia laws don’t protect a woman who dies at the hands of her male relatives - all they have to say that it was an ‘honor killing’ - something that was stopped in Judaism and Christianity a long, long time ago. Our laws take perps, put them in prison after a trial. their laws do nothing.

Their laws do nothing if a muslim kills a non-muslim - man, woman or child! But I divert.

Our colleges just LOVE to bring up bad things in Christianity and/or Judaism. You should have stood up and told them what I am telling you! Instead you let a lot of young adults around you just accepted it. :tsktsk:

There is compulsion in religion. All they have to do is make life so miserable for people they convert out of harassment. In some instances, what they do now in India and other places, they kidnap girls and force them to marry muslim males and convert. Then they don’t allow the parents to visit their children because they are of another religion.

And they can force sharia laws on us - which means then that we are officially subjugated. And that is when they start making life miserable for us non-muslims - oh they will make life miserable before that, but there will be no consequences to them after sharia laws are in place. They are trying to get sharia laws into our laws little by little. They are working on the financial institutions right now.

There problem is literalism. Right now I am in the book of Deutornomy and there is ample evidence in violence in Numbers and Leviticus. Stoning a man for working on the Sabath. There are numerous times where israelis are instruct to take over land from other people and kill and pillage there villages. Now it would be easy for someone to take this out of context.

I once met a Jew at an orthodox synagouge who go into another argument with another jew the other guy was arguing that the Talmud and Torah tell jews to treat non-jews like dogs. So scriptures can be manipulated for narrow nefarious ideological causes no matter the religion.

In your post you mentioned the Islamic Thinkers Society. Those guys are a bit extreme they once posted on their website that Voting is shirk because somewhere in the Quran it says Allah is the only leglislator.

Also Muslims are not the only ones trying to force their views in the political ambience.

How many catholics have denounced other catholics for voting pro-choice or supporting gay marriage? How many bishops have denied politicians communion because of their political beliefs.

Sure Muslims may use Islam to guide there legislative careers but this does not mean America will become governed under Sharia law overnight nor in a lifetime. This is the same paranoia that made people worried that JFK would be controled by the pope.

 

[R_not]

There problem is literalism. Right now I am in the book of Deutornomy and there is ample evidence in violence in Numbers and Leviticus. Stoning a man for working on the Sabath. There are numerous times where israelis are instruct to take over land from other people and kill and pillage there villages. Now it would be easy for someone to take this out of context.

I once met a Jew at an orthodox synagouge who go into another argument with another jew the other guy was arguing that the Talmud and Torah tell jews to treat non-jews like dogs. So scriptures can be manipulated for narrow nefarious ideological causes no matter the religion.

In your post you mentioned the Islamic Thinkers Society. Those guys are a bit extreme they once posted on their website that Voting is shirk because somewhere in the Quran it says Allah is the only leglislator.

Also Muslims are not the only ones trying to force their views in the political ambience.

How many catholics have denounced other catholics for voting pro-choice or supporting gay marriage? How many bishops have denied politicians communion because of their political beliefs.

Sure Muslims may use Islam to guide there legislative careers but this does not mean America will become governed under Sharia law overnight nor in a lifetime. This is the same paranoia that made people worried that JFK would be controled by the pope.

Yeah, but the Jews used to stone women, but don’t do that anymore. And even at that they did not go out and kill others just because they were not Jewish. I just don’t read about Jewish jihad against others. And when battles are described in the Bible they are not told to us to continue that sort of thing against others throughout the ages until they kill, convert or subjugate the whole world!

It isn’t only the ITS, but CAIR, MSA (muslim student association), and other organizations that are based on the same goals that the muslim brotherhood have laid down. yes, the MSA that is in our Universities.

Yeah, I see how Catholics behave when someone disagrees with them. that doesn’t bother me at all though. If it did then I would be behaving just like the left in our country, muslims who lob heads off, or tongues, in muslim countries, or communists who haul people off to ‘relearning’ camps.

I don’t recall Communiom being withheld though. Kerry got communion and he is pro-choice, and a traitor. That was big news that he got Communion. Also in San Francisco a bunch of gays dressed like gorey nuns got Communion after making a ruckus in Church.

Sharia law ‘slithers’ in. It is now an issue with many because some of our financial institutions (AIG is a prime example) are adopting it. This is the ultimate segregation, unequality under the law. It slithered in the UK. and the muslims are supposed to have some kind of communication between the other courts and their courts - and they do not.

And just letting it all go and saying it won’t be in our life time is just giving them the ‘green light’. Their STATED goals is to have us under sharia laws by 2050. All that does is condemn our children to islam and if you read islamic history - that is something akin to a death of the human soul.