Why are muslims so violent?

[jakasaki]

Ah, thanks. Searching for it myself, I also found this article from the BBC, lest any of our Muslim posters refuse to believe your link since it comes from a Christian news source.

Very horrific and terrible event, indeed.

Ah yes, and here is the article from a Canadian newspaper.
canadafreepress.com/2007/cover032907.htm

And from another site:

atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/04/rop_muslim_into.html

All my best and May God Bless Us, Everyone!
Pam
New York

 

[eichenb2]

I read the article on BBC too. I think that the last paragraph says it all.

“In reality it is often fuelled by ethnic or political conflicts and competition for resources, which can be fierce, given that so many people live in poverty, he says.”

I point this out lest Christians forget similar examples like the 30 years war.

 

[jakasaki]

The 700 club people??? I do not mean to be uncharitable, but I would be skeptical of anything I read on that site.

Understood! And I don’t blame you… but searching deeper into the story and this woman, I found more on wiki…

Christianah Oluwatoyin Oluwasesin
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christianah Oluwatoyin Oluwasesin (first name also given as Christiana, last name also as Oluwaseesin, Oluseesin or Olusesan), (Ekiti State, 1977 – Gandu, Gombe State, 21 March 2007) , was a Christian Nigerian teacher who was lynched by Muslim pupils for allegedly desecrating the Qur’an at a secondary school in Gandu, Gombe State, Nigeria, on March 21, 2007.

Oluwasesin, a mother of two,[1] was assigned to supervise an Islamic Religious Knowledge exam. When one of the students wanted to enter the exam hall with his books, Oluwasesin collected them and threw them outside.[2]

The students claimed that one of the books was a copy of the Qur’an, started to chant “Allahu Akbar” (God is Great) and chased her to the school principal’s office.[3]

They dragged her out of the office, stripped her naked and stabbed her to death. They then burnt her corpse in a car, beat up the school principal, a Muslim, for offering refuge to her, and burned down three classroom blocks, the school clinic, the administrative block and the library.[4] [5] Gombe State Governor Mohammed Danjuma Goje ordered the immediate closure of all secondary schools in the state and the deployment of soldiers and policemen to strategic points in the state, especially churches.[6]

The marauding students where only 12 - 14 years old and supposedly joined by members of a gang called Yan Kalare.[7][8] Three persons were arrested in connection with the murder. They were arraigned before the Federal High Court, Gombe, which had not yet delivered judgement on the matter in March 2008.[9]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianah_Oluwatoyin_Oluwasesin

 

[R_not]

I read the article on BBC too. I think that the last paragraph says it all.

“In reality it is often fuelled by ethnic or political conflicts and competition for resources, which can be fierce, given that so many people live in poverty, he says.”

I point this out lest Christians forget similar examples like the 30 years war.

You make excuses for the intolerance that causes such murders. The source for that intolerance is the koran, the basic teachings of the koran against Jews, Christians, and all non-muslims. it dehumanizes non-muslims by the continual saying we are pigs, apes and less than feces and urine.

Look at the video from the CBN website and you will see these people are not starving, and yes they might be poor but that is hogwash that people kill just because they are poor. If it was a ‘they killed her because they are poor’ scenario I would suspect that she would have had something other than touching a koran on herself.

I am not convinced that she knew she had thrown down a koran amongst all the books. And even if she did - that does not deserve the death that she got - nor the destruction that these people did.

 

[Sam_777]

The source for that intolerance is the koran, the basic teachings of the koran against Jews, Christians, and all non-muslims. it dehumanizes non-muslims by the continual saying we are pigs, apes and less than feces and urine.

Sadly yes…:imsorry:

 

[trdchubi]

1. Muhammad nicknames his weapons.
2. Muhammad commands in his Quran that adulterers and adulteresses should receive a hundred lashes.
3. Muhammad in his Quran permits husbands to beat their wives.
4. Muhammad in his Quran commands that the hands of male or female thieves should be cut off.
5. Muhammad assassinates poets and poetesses.
6. Muhammad in his Quran commands death or the cutting off of hands and feet for fighting and corrupting the land.
7. Muhammad aggressively attacks Meccan caravans.
8. Muhammad in his Quran promises sensuous Gardens for martyrs dying in a military holy war
9. Muhammad unjustly executes around 600 male Jews and enslaves the women and children.
10. Muhammad launches his own Crusades.

More of these here

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matt 7:15-23)

The Bible has forewarn us about why they are so ever violent. This so called ‘religion of peace’ has a violent founder,doing horrendous things to those who oppose him, and they call him their prophet

 

[R_not]

And don’t forget that the muslims consider mohammed the ‘perfect man’ to be emulated.

This is why we not only see so many violent ones, but ‘silent, deceptive’ ones because mohammed also told his followers to deceive us when they need to.

 

[eichenb2]

1. Muhammad nicknames his weapons.
2. Muhammad commands in his Quran that adulterers and adulteresses should receive a hundred lashes.
3. Muhammad in his Quran permits husbands to beat their wives.
4. Muhammad in his Quran commands that the hands of male or female thieves should be cut off.
5. Muhammad assassinates poets and poetesses.
6. Muhammad in his Quran commands death or the cutting off of hands and feet for fighting and corrupting the land.
7. Muhammad aggressively attacks Meccan caravans.
8. Muhammad in his Quran promises sensuous Gardens for martyrs dying in a military holy war
9. Muhammad unjustly executes around 600 male Jews and enslaves the women and children.
10. Muhammad launches his own Crusades.

More of these here

The Bible has forewarn us about why they are so ever violent. This so called ‘religion of peace’ has a violent founder,doing horrendous things to those who oppose him, and they call him their prophet

1. So does virtually every American Christian soldier
2. Bible commands death for adulterers
   Leviticus 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife–with the wife of his neighbor–both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.”
3. While shocking on the surface, the marital reconciliation process set forward in the Qur’an was a huge improvement for woman of that time. Basically, it was stated that way for the lowest common denominator. Muhammad himself is never reported to have laid a hand on his wives in anger.
4. Hands are cut of a thief if several conditions are met. First, it needs to be a substantial amount. There are disagreements about the exact amount. Second, the stolen needed to be secured. That is, there can be no mistake about its ownership. Third, the thief must not have stolen out of need. For example, stealing bread to eat. I think the west could do with some stearner punishments, especially for white collar theft.
5. Muhammad was the head of a state and had the consensus of the governed. That is how capital punishment works, whether we agree with it or not. This is nothing compared to the thousands of Palestinian children that Isreal kills.
6. This was huge punishment to deter things like drug trafficking. The west should pay attention.
7. As was the custom of warfare in Muhammad’s day. If you want some real horrid entertainment read the Old Testament. Do you think God would command the Jews to kill every man, woman, child, and animal? Does that God seem just?
8. The Qur’an describes Heaven as Gardens with maidens so that we can understand it. Ultimately, noone knows EXACTLY what it is like, since noone has been there and back.
9. There is a huge amount of disagreement amount how many of this Jewish tribe that was executed. Infact, there is even debate whether or not they were Jewish. Whatever the case may be, they were executed for treason. The US laws still allow for execution due to treason.
10. Jihad; Crusades, Muslims, Christians…people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

 

[R_not]

1. So does virtually every American Christian soldier
2. Bible commands death for adulterers
   Leviticus 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife–with the wife of his neighbor–both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.”
3. While shocking on the surface, the marital reconciliation process set forward in the Qur’an was a huge improvement for woman of that time. Basically, it was stated that way for the lowest common denominator. Muhammad himself is never reported to have laid a hand on his wives in anger.
4. Hands are cut of a thief if several conditions are met. First, it needs to be a substantial amount. There are disagreements about the exact amount. Second, the stolen needed to be secured. That is, there can be no mistake about its ownership. Third, the thief must not have stolen out of need. For example, stealing bread to eat. I think the west could do with some stearner punishments, especially for white collar theft.
5. Muhammad was the head of a state and had the consensus of the governed. That is how capital punishment works, whether we agree with it or not. This is nothing compared to the thousands of Palestinian children that Isreal kills.
6. This was huge punishment to deter things like drug trafficking. The west should pay attention.
7. As was the custom of warfare in Muhammad’s day. If you want some real horrid entertainment read the Old Testament. Do you think God would command the Jews to kill every man, woman, child, and animal? Does that God seem just?
8. The Qur’an describes Heaven as Gardens with maidens so that we can understand it. Ultimately, noone knows EXACTLY what it is like, since noone has been there and back.
9. There is a huge amount of disagreement amount how many of this Jewish tribe that was executed. Infact, there is even debate whether or not they were Jewish. Whatever the case may be, they were executed for treason. The US laws still allow for execution due to treason.
10. Jihad; Crusades, Muslims, Christians…people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

The basic teachings is what you want to look at. The bible teaches us the history of some things that are not too palatable, but they have not been practiced in millenia and they are not told to us as commands to do. While in islam, the violence is indeed told to the followers to emulate and to do in order to get to their orgy in heaven.

I can’t believe that the Crusades are brought up time and again when the Crusades were called BECAUSE OF muslim violence. The muslim hordes were killing, looting, destroying for centuries before the first one was called. And if you want to bring up one instance where the Crusaders killed jews - then also bring up the centuries, and that it is still going on, that the muslims are still killing not only Jews, but Christians, Hindus, and all non-muslims!

God directed the Jews to kill during a specific battle and time - it was not an order to continue it for millenia!

the only ones throwing stones are the palestinian children, and young adults, it seems these days - or they strap on suicide belts and go and try to kill infidels. And the community celebrates when a child dies doing this. maybe you should take a listen to how the community celebrates - as they did after 9/11.

Walid Shoebat Shoebat’s experiences with what he was taught in islam..
Select the program that says, Talking It Over, PART 1 December 13, 2008.

Here is a The History of jihad and take note of the one that talks about the jihad in India - the Hindus fought back the muslim hordes and even they didn’t resort to what the muslims did then and still do to this day - killing innocents.

In islam the only one that they consider innocent are muslims. Infidels - woman, children, old people, unarmed men are not considered innocent. And muslims know this when they make blanket statements to our news reporters such as ‘We do not believe in the killing of any innocents…’ and we take that statement like a bunch of dolts and think they are talking about us non-muslims too while they are not.

They try to emulate a man that they consider ‘perfect’ and he was an Adulterer, Bandit, Immoral, Inhuman, Looter, Lecher, Misogynist, Murderer, Materialistic, assasin,
Narcissist, Pedophile, Raider, Rapist, Slavetrader, Sexmaniac, Terrorist, Torturer, Unfair, Vengeful Warlord. It is all in their own texts.

No one is saying our history is without blemish, but I do not put our morals on the Crusaders - men who had to fight the muslim hordes face to face. Who didn’t know, at least initially, that muslims are to deceive, not honor cease fires/peace treaties, etc.

 

[eichenb2]

The basic teachings is what you want to look at. The bible teaches us the history of some things that are not too palatable, but they have not been practiced in millenia and they are not told to us as commands to do. While in islam, the violence is indeed told to the followers to emulate and to do in order to get to their orgy in heaven.

I can’t believe that the Crusades are brought up time and again when the Crusades were called BECAUSE OF muslim violence. The muslim hordes were killing, looting, destroying for centuries before the first one was called. And if you want to bring up one instance where the Crusaders killed jews - then also bring up the centuries, and that it is still going on, that the muslims are still killing not only Jews, but Christians, Hindus, and all non-muslims!

God directed the Jews to kill during a specific battle and time - it was not an order to continue it for millenia!

the only ones throwing stones are the palestinian children, and young adults, it seems these days - or they strap on suicide belts and go and try to kill infidels. And the community celebrates when a child dies doing this. maybe you should take a listen to how the community celebrates - as they did after 9/11.

Walid Shoebat Shoebat’s experiences with what he was taught in islam..
Select the program that says, Talking It Over, PART 1 December 13, 2008.

Here is a The History of jihad and take note of the one that talks about the jihad in India - the Hindus fought back the muslim hordes and even they didn’t resort to what the muslims did then and still do to this day - killing innocents.

In islam the only one that they consider innocent are muslims. Infidels - woman, children, old people, unarmed men are not considered innocent. And muslims know this when they make blanket statements to our news reporters such as ‘We do not believe in the killing of any innocents…’ and we take that statement like a bunch of dolts and think they are talking about us non-muslims too while they are not.

They try to emulate a man that they consider ‘perfect’ and he was an Adulterer, Bandit, Immoral, Inhuman, Looter, Lecher, Misogynist, Murderer, Materialistic, assasin,
Narcissist, Pedophile, Raider, Rapist, Slavetrader, Sexmaniac, Terrorist, Torturer, Unfair, Vengeful Warlord. It is all in their own texts.

No one is saying our history is without blemish, but I do not put our morals on the Crusaders - men who had to fight the muslim hordes face to face. Who didn’t know, at least initially, that muslims are to deceive, not honor cease fires/peace treaties, etc.

You should learn a little before you type. Your ignorance and arrogance are an example of why western civilician is being overrun. Within 50 years, Europe will be most Muslim.

 

[PJM]

**Re: Why are muslims so violent? **

Piety and Holiness are taught and learned responces.

So too, bigotry, hatred, and senseless killing are taught and learned responces.

Sadly it is easier to teach the latter, instead of the former:thumbsup:

Dear God, have mercy on us all!

 

[R_not]

You should learn a little before you type. Your ignorance and arrogance are an example of why western civilician is being overrun. Within 50 years, Europe will be most Muslim.

If you don’t like the message then bash the messenger.

Western civilizatin is being overrun because people think we should be ashamed of ourselves. I am not. People crawl, swim, run, walk, and get to our Western countries in hordes. The opposite is not true. I don’t know too many non-muslims wanting to move to muslim nations so they can be persecuted, or killed, and to give away all their rights away as a human being. Some women do so, but they are following their hormones and ignorant of islam or else they would run from that idea of moving to any muslim country.

Also, just because you don’t like the message doesn’t make me arrogant. The arrogance is in your own mind and so you label me - if you disagree with me. You have no rebuttal so this is very common - to start name calling.

 

[R_not]

**Re: Why are muslims so violent? **

Piety and Holiness are taught and learned responces.

So too, bigotry, hatred, and senseless killing are taught and learned responces.

Sadly it is easier to teach the latter, instead of the former:thumbsup:

Dear God, have mercy on us all!

Walid Shoebat has tried to tell us what is going on in in the Palestinian schools. Children as young as in kindergarten start on the road of jihad (that violent kind) and the start of dehumanizing the Israelis, and also the West, and America, are started even earlier and continued through their school years. Dehumanizing people is the road of brainwashing to continue the teachings of the koran and the example of mohammed.

Walid Shoebat Shoebat’s experiences with what he was taught in islam..
Select the program that says, Talking It Over, PART 1 December 13, 2008.

 

[R_not]

I should add these two videos for those who think Hamas is an organization that should be given any other status other than psychopathic thugs on a killing spree for allah:

The beauty of Hammas and the ugliness of Israel 1 of 2
The beauty of Hammas and the ugliness of Israel 2 of 2

 

[R_not]

It appears that India is sick of the junk that comes out of Pakistan (which is not only funded by the USA, but the saudis fund/support the jihadists and use pakistan as their jihadi training ground) and so they are looking for a fight against pakistan.

India seeing that Pakistan is doing nothing to stop their terrorists (why would they? they are just following the koran and being good, little muslims).

They have been making a lot of mistakes in regards to muslims - they gave them land (Pakistan) which they found out is not going to stop their violence. then they want kashmir and are wanting even more than just Kashmir. this is where, I hope, the Philippinos and israel have learned that giving the muslims land doesn’t solve anything. (Europe and their allowing the muslims ‘urban sensitive zones’ is another story - pure idiocy.)

 

[PJM]

eichenb2
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Re: Why are muslims so violent?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by trdchubi
10. Muhammad nicknames his weapons.

1. Muhammad commands in his Quran that adulterers and adulteresses should receive a hundred lashes.
2. Muhammad in his Quran permits husbands to beat their wives.
3. Muhammad in his Quran commands that the hands of male or female thieves should be cut off.
4. Muhammad assassinates poets and poetesses.
5. Muhammad in his Quran commands death or the cutting off of hands and feet for fighting and corrupting the land.
6. Muhammad aggressively attacks Meccan caravans.
7. Muhammad in his Quran promises sensuous Gardens for martyrs dying in a military holy war
8. Muhammad unjustly executes around 600 male Jews and enslaves the women and children.
9. Muhammad launches his own Crusades.

More of these here

The Bible has forewarn us about why they are so ever violent. This so called ‘religion of peace’ has a violent founder,doing horrendous things to those who oppose him, and they call him their prophet

1. So does virtually every American Christian soldier :bigyikes:

My dear friend in Christ,

This statement about “all” American…

Is as far from the truth as the East is from the West. :tsktsk:

We are grateful for your post, and anxious to hear your views, but please, please try to get at least a little closer to the truth, so what you have to share can be taken seriously.

Thank you!

 

[eichenb2]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathar

 

[eichenb2]

eichenb2
Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2008
Location: Milky Way
Posts: 286

Re: Why are muslims so violent?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by trdchubi
10. Muhammad nicknames his weapons.

1. Muhammad commands in his Quran that adulterers and adulteresses should receive a hundred lashes.
2. Muhammad in his Quran permits husbands to beat their wives.
3. Muhammad in his Quran commands that the hands of male or female thieves should be cut off.
4. Muhammad assassinates poets and poetesses.
5. Muhammad in his Quran commands death or the cutting off of hands and feet for fighting and corrupting the land.
6. Muhammad aggressively attacks Meccan caravans.
7. Muhammad in his Quran promises sensuous Gardens for martyrs dying in a military holy war
8. Muhammad unjustly executes around 600 male Jews and enslaves the women and children.
9. Muhammad launches his own Crusades.

More of these here

The Bible has forewarn us about why they are so ever violent. This so called ‘religion of peace’ has a violent founder,doing horrendous things to those who oppose him, and they call him their prophet

1. So does virtually every American Christian soldier

:bigyikes:

My dear friend in Christ,

This statement about “all” American…

Is as far from the truth as the East is from the West. :tsktsk:

We are grateful for your post, and anxious to hear your views, but please, please try to get at least a little closer to the truth, so what you have to share can be taken seriously.

Thank you!

I was in the Army…I KNOW…!!!

 

[eichenb2]

muslimbridges.org/content/view/264/

 

[R_not]

eichenb2:
:bigyikes:

My dear friend in Christ,

This statement about “all” American…

Is as far from the truth as the East is from the West. :tsktsk:

We are grateful for your post, and anxious to hear your views, but please, please try to get at least a little closer to the truth, so what you have to share can be taken seriously.

Thank you!

I was in the Army…I KNOW…!!!

There was nothing wrong with his post. mohammed did all of those things.