Why are muslims so violent?

[R_not]

Why the hesitation??? Let me help. “With more bodies being recovered each day, the death toll from Israel’s three-week war now stands at 1,360. On the Israeli side, 13 were killed.” from the Guardian in England. WAKE UP!

btw, did you see these maps?
ccmep.org/delegations/maps/palestine.html

Wake up to what? I already wrote - how many of them are dead because hamas hid behind them. I want an answer to that from you. It is about time that you realize that they can’t keep lobbing bombs into Israel and expect that they should keep on taking it.

It would be like your next door neighbor continually aiming a gun at your children - because that is what the muslims do - they aim for children, and other innocents. How long will you take it before you call the cops? In the case of Israel - the cops (the UN) is on the muslim’s side because it is full of muslim thugs. They have sit back and watched the hezbollah in Lebanon rearm and regroup too.

You are not going to convince me of anything exept that you are very ill read and believe the muslim propaganda. Of which, I will admit is much better than the facts.

 

[R_not]

pitiful

Yes, it is pitiful that muslims are unable to live with others and the human rights groups, the UN, and basically no one cares - until the victims fire back at the muslims and then the wailing and whining starts.

 

[eichenb2]

Wake up to what? I already wrote - how many of them are dead because hamas hid behind them. I want an answer to that from you. It is about time that you realize that they can’t keep lobbing bombs into Israel and expect that they should keep on taking it.

It would be like your next door neighbor continually aiming a gun at your children - because that is what the muslims do - they aim for children, and other innocents. How long will you take it before you call the cops? In the case of Israel - the cops (the UN) is on the muslim’s side because it is full of muslim thugs. They have sit back and watched the hezbollah in Lebanon rearm and regroup too.

You are not going to convince me of anything exept that you are very ill read and believe the muslim propaganda. Of which, I will admit is much better than the facts.

The neighbor is aiming the gun because you keep stealing bricks from his house! I think the NATO and UN would establish 1946 borders and make Jerusalem an international city. Then, all the Arab Christians can come back to reclaim thier land that was stolen by Zionists. By the way, before you cry that I am being anti-semitic, not all Jewish people are Zionists. Don’t try to twist my words :tsktsk:

Also, you sound a little deranged in your reply. This is Islamophobia has quite a hold on you, huh?

 

[eichenb2]

Yes, it is pitiful that muslims are unable to live with others and the human rights groups, the UN, and basically no one cares - until the victims fire back at the muslims and then the wailing and whining starts.

(thinking aloud)…I wonder if R_not’s replies should be reported to the moderator. They seem to be full of hate.

 

[R_not]

The neighbor is aiming the gun because you keep stealing bricks from his house! I think the NATO and UN would establish 1946 borders and make Jerusalem an international city. Then, all the Arab Christians can come back to reclaim thier land that was stolen by Zionists. By the way, before you cry that I am being anti-semitic, not all Jewish people are Zionists. Don’t try to twist my words :tsktsk:

Also, you sound a little deranged in your reply. This is Islamophobia has quite a hold on you, huh?

The ‘zionists’ did not steal their lands - the muslims did. Arab, Iranian/Iraqi (Persian), Jordanian, Egyptian, etc. muslims are the ones who stole the lands. And no one is expecting them to be given back BUT to stop stealing them and to stop persecuting them.

The Plight of Christians in the Middle East

Hatred when you disagree with me? That is all this is about.

 

[R_not]

The neighbor is aiming the gun because you keep stealing bricks from his house! I think the NATO and UN would establish 1946 borders and make Jerusalem an international city. Then, all the Arab Christians can come back to reclaim thier land that was stolen by Zionists. By the way, before you cry that I am being anti-semitic, not all Jewish people are Zionists. Don’t try to twist my words :tsktsk:

Also, you sound a little deranged in your reply. This is Islamophobia has quite a hold on you, huh?

islamophobia is basically name calling when you have no other arguments. Israel is not stealing the proverbial ‘bricks’. In fact, Israel has given a lot to the Pals. even during this war they have given medical aid, and other aid.

You don’t like people disagreeing with you - so you call it hatred.

Iran-backed Hamas Rocket, Mortar Attacks
9,400+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since 2003.
3,200+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza in 2008 alone.
6,500+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.
543+ rockets and mortars fired from Gaza into Israeli territory during the ceasefire from June 19 to Dec. 19, 2008.
28 deaths caused by rockets and mortars fired from Gaza into Israel since 2001. The dead include Israelis, Palestinians and foreign workers. Since the ceasefire ended, Iran-backed Palestinian groups in Gaza fired rockets and mortars that killed an Israeli-Arab construction worker and a mother of four who was seeking shelter in a bus station as a rocket warning siren sounded.
1,000+ people in Israel injured from rockets and mortars fired from Gaza since 2001, including Israelis, Palestinians and foreign workers. Since the ceasefire, 44 Israelis have been injured and 200 have been treated for shock.
20,000 Hamas troops Israel is targeting as part of “Operation Cast Lead.”
750,000 number of Israeli civilians Hamas is targeting and can reach.
15 seconds Israelis have to get to a bomb shelter once a warning siren has sounded.
8 years that Israel has been hit by rockets and mortars from Gaza
3 mosques in Gaza used as weapons, ammunitions and explosives depots that were struck by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the operation in Gaza .

**Israel’s Humanitarian Aid to Gaza

179 truckloads of humanitarian aid that have been delivered through Israeli crossings into Gaza since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead, including basic food commodities, medication, medical supplies, donations of governments and blood units.
106 additional truckloads of humanitarian aid expected to arrive in Gaza on Jan. 31
6,500 tons of aid transported into Gaza at the request of international organizations, the Palestinian Authority and various governments since the beginning of Operation Cast Lead. The World Food Program informed Israel that it will cease shipment of food to Gaza because warehouses are at full capacity, with enough food to last two weeks. **
What Israel Gave Up in Hopes of Peace - Gaza Withdrawal Aug. 2005

100% proportion of the Gaza Strip evacuated and handed over to the
Palestinians.
300 square miles of the West Bank evacuated.
21 Israeli settlements uprooted in the Gaza Strip.
4 Israeli settlements uprooted in the West Bank .
48 graves uprooted in Gaza ’s former Gush Katif Cemetery , including six graves of area residents murdered by terrorists.
9,000 approximate number of Israelis, including 1,700 families, who lived in Gaza and the northern West Bank . All of them were moved out as part of the withdrawal.
38 synagogues dismantled in the Gaza Strip.
5,000 school-age children who had to find new schools.
42 daycare centers that were closed in the Gaza Strip.
36 kindergartens that were closed in the Gaza Strip.
7 elementary schools that were closed in the Gaza Strip.
3 high schools that were closed in the Gaza Strip.
320 mobile homes, ordered by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, to serve as temporary housing for settlers.
45,000 Israeli soldiers and policemen who participated in the Gaza withdrawal.
$1.7 billion the approximate cost to the Israeli government for the withdrawal initiative.
166 Israeli farmers who were moved out of Gaza .
800 cows, which comprised the second largest dairy farm in Israel , moved out of Gaza ’s Gush Katif community.
$120 million value of flowers and produce exported annually from Gush Katif and lost following the evacuation.
10,000 people who were employed in agriculture and related industries in Gush Katif, including 5,000 Palestinians.
60% proportion of Israel’s cherry tomato exports that came from the Gaza Strip. Israel ’s withdrawal from Gaza extinguished this economic resource.
3.5 million square meters (almost 1,000 acres) of greenhouses abandoned in Gaza .
70 percentage of Israel’s organic produce grown in Gaza – another economic resource lost in the evacuation.
60 percentage of herbs exported from Israel that came from Gush Katif.
15 percentage of Israel agricultural exports that originated in Gaza – exports lost following Israel ’s withdrawal from Gaza .

 

[CatholicRevert1]

You should learn a little before you type. Your ignorance and arrogance are an example of why western civilician is being overrun. Within 50 years, Europe will be most Muslim.

Actually, it is ignorance and arrogance like yours which is the reason we are being overrun. This is their 20 year plan and with attitudes like yours you are falling into the trap. Take off the rose tinted spectacles about Islam before it is too late. You need to make people aware of the evil in that “religion”.

citizenwarrior.com/2007/09/20-year-plan-to-overthrow-us-government.html

worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33898

 

[Booklover]

Hi. ]
I however have seen some very nice posts from you. Is it a change of position now?

Yes, it is a bit of a sea change isn’t it? I was thinking the same thing!

Vickie

 

[Valke2]

Why the hesitation??? Let me help. “With more bodies being recovered each day, the death toll from Israel’s three-week war now stands at 1,360. On the Israeli side, 13 were killed.” from the Guardian in England. WAKE UP!

btw, did you see these maps?
ccmep.org/delegations/maps/palestine.html

It was not “Israeli’s War”. It would be more accurate to say the death toll from Hamas’ war…

As to the disparity of numbers, I think maybe Hamas and the people in Gaza need to wake up. That’s was kind of the point of the response to begin with. They need to abandon the misguided notion that they can make Israel go away if they just fire enough rockets at its citizens.

I think before this war, Hamas believed that if they just made things uncomfortable enough for Israel, Israel would go away. Hopefully after this, they will finally understand that Israel is not going anywhere.

 

[Valke2]

Wake up to what? I already wrote - how many of them are dead because hamas hid behind them.

And how many are dead because Hamas took advantage of the chaos to clean house. At least 70 palestinians were murdered by Hamas during the recent conflict according to reports. Who knows how many more were not reported?

And let’s not forget Iran’s role in this. What better and cheaper way to fight the west then by arming Hamas? The only cost to Iran was a few million plus the death of 1,300 palestinians. A cost both Iran and Hamas are happy to incur.

 

[ralphinal]

And how many are dead because Hamas took advantage of the chaos to clean house. At least 70 palestinians were murdered by Hamas during the recent conflict according to reports. Who knows how many more were not reported?

And let’s not forget Iran’s role in this. What better and cheaper way to fight the west then by arming Hamas? The only cost to Iran was a few million plus the death of 1,300 palestinians. A cost both Iran and Hamas are happy to incur.

You have hit upon an issue that often goes undiscussed. There is a use of Palestinians as cheap, expendable pawns in the struggles of the Middle East. It shows the true lack of concern by nations like Iran for their fellow man, let alone Muslim…

 

[R_not]

And how many are dead because Hamas took advantage of the chaos to clean house. At least 70 palestinians were murdered by Hamas during the recent conflict according to reports. Who knows how many more were not reported?

And let’s not forget Iran’s role in this. What better and cheaper way to fight the west then by arming Hamas? The only cost to Iran was a few million plus the death of 1,300 palestinians. A cost both Iran and Hamas are happy to incur.

Saudi Arabia also plays a part in all of this.

Yeah, there has been no reporting from the mainstream media about the civil war between Hamas and the Fatah in Gaza.

And so many world leaders, muslims, think that hamas should be treated as something other than a terrorist organization. I cannot believe how many muslims in our own countries support hamas, wave their flags, and basically ‘found their mouths’ when it goes against Israel!

Organizations like CAIR, the MSA, that muslim woman who gave a ‘prayer’ at the Obama’s inaugration yesterday - Ingrid Mattson, president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), has direct ties to hamas. This is the sort of ilk that our President thinks is ‘cool’ to be close to.

Federal prosecutors last summer rejected claims that ISNA was unfairly named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror funding case. And ISNA has even admitted ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, complaining only that the government’s evidence for those ties came from old documents, but offering no proof that the organization had reversed course. In a memorandum on the Muslim Brotherhood’s strategy in the United States, a Muslim Brotherhood operative named ISNA as an allied organization in what it called “a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

Article

We sit in our comfortable couches thinking that we will be untouched. The muslims have been working on stifling free speech (basically to make us stop asking questions/discussing islam and while they do not stop bashing us) in regards to islam. They don’t want us to put islam and sharia law, into the same sentence as human rights abuses! Right now it is not in place, but it is only a matter of time.

Well, it seems that Geert Wilders is going to be prosecuted for his movie ‘Fitna’. Free Speech is being attacked in Europe.

hhhmmm, maybe it is about time Europeans - and us if necessary - start suing them for their defamation of us! I got plenty of pictures and videos that I have downloaded to my PC to prove my point!

Hamas in their own voices

 

[R_not]

The anti-American chatter on the internet is as bad as it was leading up to 9/11 according to this article: 5 Minutes to Midnight

Here we have a ‘religion’ in the middle of starting wars all around this globe and it has been going on at an increased rate starting in the 20th century. Since 9/11 it has sped up even more so.

Here is a quote about the atrocities on non-muslims and we only hear from the ‘peaceful’ ones when the violent ones are attacked back!

Mumbai Last November, a handful of terrorists came into Mumbai by stealth, and within hours brought a city of 18 million to its knees. They attacked ten symbolic sites favored by tourists, murdered some 200 people, and left a wake of indescribable destruction, shattering thousands of lives in their wake.

They singled out American, British, and Jewish targets, and ordered the terrorists to “kill to their last breath”. Many of their victims were savagely tortured before being murdered. So brutal was the torture that experienced doctors who later examined the bodies were in shock and could not find the words to even speak about it.

Gaza In Gaza, Hamas brought a different kind of terror into the news. Hamas fights her enemies with cowardice and unspeakable cruelty. While terrorists have been given free reign to shell civilians living in southern Israeli towns, they hide behind the women and children of Gaza, drawing Israeli fire to its rocket launchers which are placed deep in densely populated areas, putting their own people at mortal risk.

During the last two years, nearly 6,000 rockets were fired from Gaza, aimed at schools and homes, mostly in the little town of Sderot, which has taken the brunt of the ceaseless barrage. Israel finally responded with a mighty attack to silence the rockets that had plagued its citizens for the last eight years, and while the number of rockets has been reduced, they did not stop, continuing to terrorize the people of southern Israel.

 

[ricko]

Terrible, terrible. Radical Islam is nothing but killing and more killing, all in the name of Allah. How could humans turn into such animals?

 

[R_not]

Terrible, terrible. Radical Islam is nothing but killing and more killing, all in the name of Allah. How could humans turn into such animals?

It actually is not uncommon for people to behave like animals. And when the ‘god tells them to do it’ is thrown into the mix - it is a bad combination.

Look at Hitler or Stalin’s times in history. How easy was it for these men to have (mostly) men and women turn against their own? It was actually very easy. And the world mostly let it all happen - in both instances, especially in the case of Stalin’s Russia. No one came to the help of the people that Stalin had his men kill. Stalin’s men killed more than Hitler killed.

Look at Mao - the same thing. No one came to the aid of the people Mao’s (mostly) men killed.

Those men in all the above instances were men who killed their own more than others. Well, Hitler killed quite a more others than Stalin or Mao did.

In the case of Mao - he created such a division of classes, hatred, that the lower class in a Southern province of China (for the life of me I cannot remember the name of it) ATE the landowners of their own villages!

islam doesn’t have a corner market on hatred - it just does a very good job of it by adding in its allah into the mix so as to make the frenzy even more so. But, they kill more of their own than anyone else. I will say that muslims have killed more others than even Hitler, Stalin and Mao put together. but, that is the order of their koran to do - if we don’t accept islam, or subjugation, then we are to be killed. That is in their koran.

All three of these - communism, nazism, and islam - are fascisms. They have the same mentality underneath all of it - ‘if you are not with us then you are against us’. And islam is the most insidious because it gains a foothold into countries under the guise of ‘religion’.

communism did a pretty good job of infiltrating too. After decades of their infiltration into our schools they have turned out quite a number of good, widdle communists. Or they are sometimes referred to as Marxists, or socialists. One is a bit more radical than the other in the terms of private property and such. Communism is a system based more on a single thug in charge.

And that brings up another thing about islam - look how their governments turn out. They have taken Democracy and distorted it so that the thugs come into power - by a vote. People are cowtowed into voting for the thugs. One big difference in islam though is the power of the clerics and the previous article shows they wear a military ‘hat’ also besides a clerical ‘hat’. (When I refer to a ‘hat’ in this sense I am refering to job duties)

 

[Booklover]

Terrible, terrible. Radical Islam is nothing but killing and more killing, all in the name of Allah. How could humans turn into such animals?

Ex-Muslim Arab American Wafa Sultan:

When I examined the Koran, the hadith, and the Islamic books under a microscope, I came to the absolute conviction that it is impossible – impossible! – for any human being to read the biography of Muhammad and believe in it, and yet emerge a psychologically and mentally healthy person.

The Muslim is an irrational creature ruled by instincts. Those teachings have deprived him of his mind, incited his emotions, and reduced him to the level of an inferior creature that cannot control himself or react to events rationally.

Vickie

 

[R_not]

Ex-Muslim Arab American Wafa Sultan:

When I examined the Koran, the hadith, and the Islamic books under a microscope, I came to the absolute conviction that it is impossible – impossible! – for any human being to read the biography of Muhammad and believe in it, and yet emerge a psychologically and mentally healthy person.

booklover, do you have a website for that quote.

I am finding in my readings from ex-muslims that most of them have the same, or similiar, conclusions about islam.

I don’t know why all of them do not, unless they are afraid of leaving islam. I also read from muslims who are indeed afraid of leaving but have left islam in their own ways. Sort of giving back islam what it gives to others - a forced deception that they have to do in order not to be tortured/killed.

But, if you have a website for her quote - I would really appreciate it. I have listened to her on some videos and have to hand it to her - she is one brave soul.

 

[R_not]

hypocracies in islam

The above website is an article that really goes into some of the depravities of islam! I mean there is stuff in there that I just learned by reading it now - they actually believe the black stone - I mean how many times have we heard that WE worship statues and tried to explain to them that we do not and those statues and pictures are art (sometiems poor art, but art nonetheless!).

We hear Muslims believe the Black Stone circled in Mecca is conscious and will testify for and against them on Judgment Day (though they will deny it, the stone and ritual is based on a pagan deity). Meanwhile Muslims all over the world gleefully bring down ‘un-Islamic’ idols, statues, and figures representing deities in other religions. The physical manifestation of Allah, in the form of a conscience stone, is an important core of Muslims’ connection with deity

I almost fell off my seat when I read this.

But, read the whole thing - and the violence and depravity in islam while they put good and virtuous words around these actions and thoughts is just mind-boggling.

 

[Booklover]

booklover, do you have a website for that quote.

I am finding in my readings from ex-muslims that most of them have the same, or similiar, conclusions about islam.

I don’t know why all of them do not, unless they are afraid of leaving islam. I also read from muslims who are indeed afraid of leaving but have left islam in their own ways. Sort of giving back islam what it gives to others - a forced deception that they have to do in order not to be tortured/killed.

But, if you have a website for her quote - I would really appreciate it. I have listened to her on some videos and have to hand it to her - she is one brave soul.

Hi Sharon, those quotes are from two different articles. I’ll look them up and give you the links.

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

hypocracies in islam

The above website is an article that really goes into some of the depravities of islam! I mean there is stuff in there that I just learned by reading it now - they actually believe the black stone - I mean how many times have we heard that WE worship statues and tried to explain to them that we do not and those statues and pictures are art (sometiems poor art, but art nonetheless!).

I almost fell off my seat when I read this.

But, read the whole thing - and the violence and depravity in islam while they put good and virtuous words around these actions and thoughts is just mind-boggling.

Mind boggling indeed! I was reading the same article today.

For the last 1400 years, millions of victims have been persecuted by devout Muslims following Muhammad’s enshrined tenants based on anti-Semitism, bigotry, and racism. To ‘real’ Muslims, the infidels brutally murdered 9/11 were deserving of their fate, because they were worthless and ‘unloved’ by Allah. So many continue to believe in a doctrine to dominate and subjugate others, believing in a man who told them God sanctifies murder, slavery, lying, rape, arson, and thievery against other human beings (albeit non-believers), as acts of great piety which will be rewarded in Islamic heaven. All the while Islamic historians continue to rewrite history to turn Muslim marauders into champions and blood-thirsty terrorists into Saints. From the distorted Muslim prospective, Muslims are always presented as the poor, picked-on, persecuted lot, such self-pity providing justification for any and all criminal acts. Their culture feeds extremism instead of sanctioning and subduing such destabilization. Destabilization and chaos is a tool of Islamists to weaken and subdue other cultures and societies, and contributors to such anarchy are congratulated instead of jailed. When no provocation exists, one can always be easily created before or after the fact. Conspiracies abound in the mind of Muslim leaders from Muhammad to today, which have served to more than justify 1400 years of very ‘real’ Muslim conspiracies against her neighbors.

Vickie