Why are people dying by accidents everyday? Did God allow them to die?

[Needy1]

Look at any newspaper or TVs, people are dying everyday by accidents etc.

However, according to the Matthew 10:29, any birds wouldn’t die if God doesn’t allow it. So the people who died by accidents were allowed to be died, by God?

If humans are loved by the loving God, why were these people getting treated like that?

 

[Vico]

Look at any newspaper or TVs, people are dying everyday by accidents etc.

However, according to the Matthew 10:29, any birds wouldn’t die if God doesn’t allow it. So the people who died by accidents were allowed to be died, by God?

If humans are loved by the loving God, why were these people getting treated like that?

God gave Adam and Eve free will, and the gift of immortality. Adam and Eve lost the gift of immortality through the use of their free will. We do not receive that same gift.

Catechism

1008 Death is a consequence of sin. the Church’s Magisterium, as authentic interpreter of the affirmations of Scripture and Tradition, teaches that death entered the world on account of man’s sin.[569] Even though man’s nature is mortal God had destined him not to die. Death was therefore contrary to the plans of God the Creator and entered the world as a consequence of sin. [570] is thus “the last enemy” of man left to be conquered. [571]

 

[ahs]

If humans are loved by the loving God, why were these people getting treated like that?

By “treated like that”, you mean, “being allowed to die”? What makes you think that’s not loving? Our lives are not just what is on this earth, so we should not use earthly life as the only standard by which we measure.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Why are people astonished that humans have a limited lifespan?

There seems to be this underlying assumption in some recent threads around here that we are supposed to live forever and that death is some bizarre abberant

I mean, I would never actually say that to a person in the throes of grief, but the fact is, we are born, we have some time here and then we move on to the next world.

 

[Lee1]

After the resurrection there will be no more death.

Jesus told us to pay Caesar what is due to Caesar. This earthly and mortal existence is governed by earthly laws which we are subject to. When God intervenes He suspends those laws, that is part of the defintion of a miracle. You’re question is like saying “why doesn’t God suspend the laws of physics for everyone every day?” Then what would be the point of us having an earthly and mortal experience.

We are subject to the laws of matter which may be affected by prayer if God wills it so but I’m sure He wouldn’t jeopardise His plans by suspending those laws for us en masse prior to the resurrection.

 

[bobperk]

Luke 13: 1-5:

There were some present at that very time who told him of the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered thus? 3 I tell you, No; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen upon whom the tower in Silo′am fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, No; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”

 

[Todd_Easton]

Chapters 3 and 4 of Wisdom, a book found in the Old Testament of Catholic Bibles, discuss the subject of early death, especially Wisdom 3:1-9 and 4:7-17.

 

[Rutherford2]

Look at any newspaper or TVs, people are dying everyday by accidents etc.

May I ask what are the causes of accident?

 

[Seagull]

I remember Jesus mentioning two incidents-
One was a tower that fell - and killed 18
And another was some sort of Goverment persecution-
Believer’s blood was shed -

Anyways - He put out the question to the people -
“ Do you think they died because they were great sinners than others ?
I’m not sure on the exact wording to all this -
But Jesus said no -

 

[edtaylor51]

Catechism

1008 Death is a consequence of sin.

Note the Catechism doesn’t say who’s sin…

 

[Lee1]

To ask the question “why does God allow x y z” implies belief in God.

God told us how to live in the Ten Commandments.
God told us more too in the life, actions and words of Jesus.

What we do is our responsibility. Are we deaf? Do we forget?

 

[steve-b]

Look at any newspaper or TVs, people are dying everyday by accidents etc.

If humans are loved by the loving God, why were these people getting treated like that?

technically, one could say, without original sin, and sin in general that followed, death wouldn’t even exist… true?

 

[Vico]

Vico:

Catechism

1008 Death is a consequence of sin.

Note the Catechism doesn’t say who’s sin…

It does go into more detail in the Catechism, but there is physical death and spiritual death. The first parents were given preternatural gifts of infused knowledge, absence of concupiscence, and bodily immortality which mankind could potentially inherit from them.

400 The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul’s spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination.282 Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man.283 Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”.284 Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will “return to the ground”,285 for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history .286

402 All men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as St. Paul affirms: “By one man’s disobedience many (that is, all men) were made sinners”: "sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned."289 The Apostle contrasts the universality of sin and death with the universality of salvation in Christ. "Then as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men."290

 

[TK421]

Look at any newspaper or TVs, people are dying everyday by accidents etc.

However, according to the Matthew 10:29, any birds wouldn’t die if God doesn’t allow it. So the people who died by accidents were allowed to be died, by God?

If humans are loved by the loving God, why were these people getting treated like that?

This isn’t life. We are in the womb.

 

[TK421]

Worse things than accidents can and will happen

John 15: 20:
Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours.

 

[Dan_Defender]

God also allowed the martyrdom of many Christians in the first 300 years of Christianity. If God intervened every time, there would not be free will. Jesus said: follow me unto death.
The one who is prepared for death and dies in a sate of grace will join the communion of saints in Heaven.

 

[Latin]

edtaylor51:

Vico:

Catechism

1008 Death is a consequence of sin.

Note the Catechism doesn’t say who’s sin…

It does go into more detail in the Catechism, but there is physical death and spiritual death. The first parents were given preternatural gifts of infused knowledge, absence of concupiscence, and bodily immortality which mankind could potentially inherit from them.

400 The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul’s spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination.282 Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man.283 Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”.284 Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will “return to the ground”,285 for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history .286

402 All men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as St. Paul affirms: “By one man’s disobedience many (that is, all men) were made sinners”: "sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned."289 The Apostle contrasts the universality of sin and death with the universality of salvation in Christ. "Then as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men." 290

So, no one going to hell then.

To tell the truth, I knew that long before I read 402 in your post.

I learned that truth from other parts of Catholic Soteriology, in particular Catholic Encyclopedia Divine Providence, Catholic Encyclopedia Predestination of the elect, Mystery of Predestination by John Salza, Grace, Predestination, and the Salvific Will of God by Fr. William G Most, etc.

God bless

 

[Vico]

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So, no one going to hell then.

To tell the truth, I knew that long before I read 402 in your post.

I learned that truth from other parts of Catholic Soteriology, in particular Catholic Encyclopedia Divine Providence, Catholic Encyclopedia Predestination of the elect, Mystery of Predestination by John Salza, Grace, Predestination, and the Salvific Will of God by Fr. William G Most, etc.

God bless

Certainly per scripture and per dogma, some go to hell.

We know that The Holy Trinity did not predetermine all to heaven or hell, for some are in heaven and some are in hell. Matt. 25:46 Jesus states that some go to eternal punishment.

A Fourth Lateran Council (1215) statement alludes to the fact that some then living would be in hell.
See: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/are-there-souls-in-hell-right-now

The Council of Trent declared that certainty in regard to one’s predestination can be attained by special Revelation only, contrary to John Calvin.

 

[steve-b]

Vico:

edtaylor51:

Vico:

Catechism

1008 Death is a consequence of sin.

Note the Catechism doesn’t say who’s sin…

It does go into more detail in the Catechism, but there is physical death and spiritual death. The first parents were given preternatural gifts of infused knowledge, absence of concupiscence, and bodily immortality which mankind could potentially inherit from them.

400 The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul’s spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination.282 Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man.283 Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”.284 Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will “return to the ground”,285 for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history .286

402 All men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as St. Paul affirms: “By one man’s disobedience many (that is, all men) were made sinners”: "sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned."289 The Apostle contrasts the universality of sin and death with the universality of salvation in Christ. "Then as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men." 290

So, no one going to hell then.

To tell the truth, I knew that long before I read 402 in your post.

I learned that truth from other parts of Catholic Soteriology, in particular Catholic Encyclopedia Divine Providence, Catholic Encyclopedia Predestination of the elect, Mystery of Predestination by John Salza, Grace, Predestination, and the Salvific Will of God by Fr. William G Most, etc.

God bless

I can’t say I read all the sources you quote for checking the accuracy of your point.

All I can say

Jesus was asked that very question ab out salvation. He didn’t deny the questioner. He validated the question. Jesus said only a few are saved because wickedness is increased love of God decreased

Peter followed up with the righteous man is scarcely saved

 

[Latin]

Certainly per scripture and per dogma, some go to hell.

I agree with you Vico, per Scripture and per Dogma, some go to hell, yet we can be sure, as St. Paul is sure in Phil.1:6, that will never happen because God answers our prayers and He will saves every one of us.
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According to 1058, the whole Catholic Church praying and asking God to save every one of us.

God’s vehement Universal Salvific Will is to save everyone.

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When we reading the Scripture, we see in parallel there are two lines of teachings.

One line is only a few people saved, the other line is God’s Universal Salvific Will and God saves everyone.

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Before Vatican II our theologians mostly focused on the line teaches only a few people saved.

At Vatican II and after our theologians started to focus on the line which teaches God saves everyone. – This is exactly the whole Catholic Church praying for, we all should believe we are praying for which is Universal Salvation.

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Catholic Encyclopedia Divine providence says;
The end is that all creatures should manifest the glory of God, and in particular that man should glorify Him, recognizing in nature the work of His hand, serving Him in obedience and love, and thereby attaining to the full development of his nature and to eternal happiness in God.

Again, from the fact that God has created the universe, it shows that He must also govern it; for just as the contrivances of man demand attention and guidance, so God, as a good workman, must care for His work (St. Ambrose, De Offic. minist, XIII in P.L, XVI, 41; St. Augustine, In Ps, cxlv, n. 12, 13 in P.L, XXXVII, 1892-3; Theodoret, Deprov. orat, i, ii in P.G, LXXXIII, 564, 581-4; Salvianus, De gub.

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As God created us, we are His little children and always will be, as our salvation is wholly gratuitous, entirely unmerited gift, for our salvation the ultimate responsibility is God’s.

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It makes no difference how we cut it: For our salvation, the buck stops with God.
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Someone may say; only people goes to hell who are choose to go to hell by their free wills, but this doesn’t make any sense because when God has given us free wills, His duty of care is to provide us the knowledge and the aide of efficacious graces to use our free wills correctly.
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I’m sure Vico we both agree:
Only an intellectually disabled person would choose hell.
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God bless