Why are people mormon considering it is obvioulsy fabricated?

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I don’t think I mentioned the CC sex abuse scandal in this thread? But anyway, IMO Christianity (and Judaism) is a byproduct of earlier pagan myth, that developed in a superstitious ancient culture, and was thrust on the western world by an imperial empire who themselves were a superstitious people predisposed to bizarre religious ritual.

So it’s not like I suddenly became irreligious because 4% of your churches clergy were raping or manipulating young boys into criminal homosexual relations. Don’t get me wrong, it certainly doesn’t hurt my case … but at its core my objections are intellectual.
It is funny how we are based on faith and you are based on scientific proof and yet you lack it! You claim the you know the background of religion when it is a poor manifistation to justify your incorrect ideals of life! You cannot prove there is a God and yet you cannot prove otherwise! Let go of the foolish posts and move on!
 
=jake23;5698910]It is funny how we are based on faith and you are based on scientific proof and yet you lack it! You claim the you know the background of religion when it is a poor manifistation to justify your incorrect ideals of life! You cannot prove there is a God and yet you cannot prove otherwise! Let go of the foolish posts and move on!
***A common denomiator to all Mormons is that they lack Faith.

Faith is a free gift from God [yes there is a God:D] and while everyone is offered sufficient Faith to know God, its acceptance is not mandatory. Imagine that a freewill that is respected by God. 👍

Without Faith there can be no right understanding. Which explains there rather unusual positions.***

**So we all need to consider these facts and try to at least be symphetic with them.

Love and prayers,**
 
A common denomiator to all Mormons is that they lack Faith.

Faith is a free gift from God [yes there is a God:D] and while everyone is offered sufficient Faith to know God, its acceptance is not mandatory. Imagine that a freewill that is respected by God. 👍

Without Faith there can be no right understanding. Which explains there rather unusual positions.

So we all need to consider these facts and try to at least be symphetic with them.


Love and prayers,
Personally, I don’t see Mormons as lacking faith. I am thinking of my own devout Mormon friend, and her friends, who truly have faith in Our Lord Jesus.

That said, I do think that Mormon’s are asleep on some issues.
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I have tried to illustrate this point in other posts.

Mormons are a people who believe in Jesus. The Apostles complained to Jesus about these other people doing miracles in His name. Jesus said, and I am paraphrasing from memory: 'If they are not against me, they are for me." So I see Mormons as being for Jesus, and therefore they are our brothers in Christ. Misled brothers in Christ, but brothers.

Because they believe in Jesus, when they go to Him in faith in prayer, He answers. Because He is who He is. He doesn not withhold His presence and His graces just because they also have some wrong beliefs about Him. Thaks God for that, or where would we all be, with our flawed understandings.

They recieve graces from God. Not the fullness of graces, not the graces which His death bought for us and He intends for us all to have throught the eternal Church he established forever on earth. But He gives them grace and He rewards their faith and their movement towards Him.

Obviously there are some Mormons who have MORE of God’s grace operating in their lives, because of the dispositon of their hearts, than some Catholics, who have access to God’s unfathomable riches – Gods most extradinary graces which He gives ordinarily through His Church – but, because of the dispostion of their hearts, they are not receiving them.

Mormons are not only believers in Christ but they are also believers in the false Prophet, Joseph Smith. From what I have surely seen, Mormons are well-trained to be asleep to the possiblity that Joseph Smith is a false prophet. It is baffling to those outside that they so miss the obvious. But the fact is they believe in a false apparition - in a false prophet.

But I do not think God is too hard on those who innocently believe a false apparition, especially if in doing so they are truly seeking to know Him and to please Him.

But because they do believe a false prophet - a charismatic false prophet whose life was so entrenched in the proud and immoral ways of the Evil One - they are also enslaved.

Because the truth will set you free. And falsehood enslaves you.
 
Personally, I don’t see Mormons as lacking faith. I am thinking of my own devout Mormon friend, and her friends, who truly have faith in Our Lord Jesus.

That said, I do think that Mormon’s are asleep on some issues.
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I have tried to illustrate this point in other posts.

Mormons are a people who believe in Jesus. The Apostles complained to Jesus about these other people doing miracles in His name. Jesus said, and I am paraphrasing from memory: 'If they are not against me, they are for me." So I see Mormons as being for Jesus, and therefore they are our brothers in Christ. Misled brothers in Christ, but brothers.

Because they believe in Jesus, when they go to Him in faith in prayer, He answers. Because He is who He is. He doesn not withhold His presence and His graces just because they also have some wrong beliefs about Him. Thaks God for that, or where would we all be, with our flawed understandings.

They recieve graces from God. Not the fullness of graces, not the graces which His death bought for us and He intends for us all to have throught the eternal Church he established forever on earth. But He gives them grace and He rewards their faith and their movement towards Him.

Obviously there are some Mormons who have MORE of God’s grace operating in their lives, because of the dispositon of their hearts, than some Catholics, who have access to God’s unfathomable riches – Gods most extradinary graces which He gives ordinarily through His Church – but, because of the dispostion of their hearts, they are not receiving them.

Mormons are not only believers in Christ but they are also believers in the false Prophet, Joseph Smith. From what I have surely seen, Mormons are well-trained to be asleep to the possiblity that Joseph Smith is a false prophet. It is baffling to those outside that they so miss the obvious. But the fact is they believe in a false apparition - in a false prophet.

But I do not think God is too hard on those who innocently believe a false apparition, especially if in doing so they are truly seeking to know Him and to please Him.

But because they do believe a false prophet - a charismatic false prophet whose life was so entrenched in the roud and immoral ways of the Evil One - they are also enslaved.

Because the truth will set you free. And falsehood enslaves you.
 
=Eliza10;5706563]Personally, I don’t see Mormons as lacking faith. I am thinking of my own devout Mormon friend, and her friends, who truly have faith in Our Lord Jesus.

That said, I do think that Mormon’s are asleep on some issues.
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I have tried to illustrate this point in other posts.

Mormons are a people who believe in Jesus. The Apostles complained to Jesus about these other people doing miracles in His name. Jesus said, and I am paraphrasing from memory: 'If they are not against me, they are for me." So I see Mormons as being for Jesus, and therefore they are our brothers in Christ. Misled brothers in Christ, but brothers.

Because they believe in Jesus, when they go to Him in faith in prayer, He answers. Because He is who He is. He doesn not withhold His presence and His graces just because they also have some wrong beliefs about Him. Thaks God for that, or where would we all be, with our flawed understandings.

They recieve graces from God. Not the fullness of graces, not the graces which His death bought for us and He intends for us all to have throught the eternal Church he established forever on earth. But He gives them grace and He rewards their faith and their movement towards Him.

Obviously there are some Mormons who have MORE of God’s grace operating in their lives, because of the dispositon of their hearts, than some Catholics, who have access to God’s unfathomable riches – Gods most extradinary graces which He gives ordinarily through His Church – but, because of the dispostion of their hearts, they are not receiving them.

Mormons are not only believers in Christ but they are also believers in the false Prophet, Joseph Smith. From what I have surely seen, Mormons are well-trained to be asleep to the possiblity that Joseph Smith is a false prophet. It is baffling to those outside that they so miss the obvious. But the fact is they believe in a false apparition - in a false prophet.

But I do not think God is too hard on those who innocently believe a false apparition, especially if in doing so they are truly seeking to know Him and to please Him.

But because they do believe a false prophet - a charismatic false prophet whose life was so entrenched in the proud and immoral ways of the Evil One - they are also enslaved.

Because the truth will set you free. And falsehood enslaves you.
To be an infromed and practicing Mormon is to deny the Divinity of God, and to understand Jesus as either the reincarnated arch angel gabriel, or as ONLY a very great Prophet; but NOT God.

The words we use may be the same. The Theology and beliefs behind them are not. Denial of the reality of God, friend is a total and complete lack of FAITH in GOD’s Presence and existence.

Love and prayers,
 
More on the Zelph story:

Zelph was identified as a “Lamanite,” a label agreed on by all the accounts. This term might refer to the ethnic and cultural category spoken of in the Book of Mormon as actors in the destruction of the Nephites, or it might refer more generally to a descendant of the earlier Lamanites and could have been considered in 1834 as the equivalent of “Indian” (see, for example, D&C 3:18, 20; 10:48; 28:8; 32:2). Nothing in the accounts can settle the question of Zelph’s specific ethnic identity.
Whoah! Zelph the Lamanite has been “retconned”. I used to wonder how that fit into the current FARMS limited-geography view of BoM history. Looks like the Zelph story has been shoved into the background. Still, the Limited American worldview means you are dealing with the “Two Hill Cumorah” theories, if the first Hill Cumorah, location of the great battles of the BoM is located somewhere in MesoAmerica, and then they carted all those golden plates up to Upper State New York where Joseph Smith could unearth them.

I seem to remember another story similar to the Zelph one. In the account, Joseph Smith is describing a burial mound with thousands and thousands of indian arrow heads or something… where it was attributed to events in the BoM. I’m going by memory here.
 
The LDS church has, up until 1978, had an official policy of racism and hatred toward blacks. Their prophets and apostles spewed racist invectives against blacks and taught their followers that blacks are guilty of pre-birth sin, that they are inferior, and even that blacks are to be feared. Some LDS rose above their church and displayed tolerance and inclusiveness. An LDS bishop in Washington state in 1977 risked excommunication from the LDS church by baptizing a black man in his swimming pool and then ordaining him to the Aaronic priesthood.
The history of LDS and blacks in the priesthood has many unanswered questions. Apparently, in Joseph Smith’s lifetime, some were indeed elevated to the office of priesthod. And then the practice stopped. The explanation that seems to be most often given was that the prohibition was based on “lineage”. If you read the Book of Abraham 1:26, it describes as follows:
1:25 Now the first government of Egypt was established by Pharaoh, the eldest son of Egyptus, the daughter of Ham, and it was after the manner of the government of Ham, which was patriarchal.
1:26 Pharaoh, being a righteous man, established his kingdom and judged his people wisely and justly all his days, seeking earnestly to imitate that order established by the fathers in the first generations, in the days of the first patriarchal reign, even in the reign of Adam, and also of Noah, his father, who blessed him with the blessings of the earth, and with the blessings of wisdom, but cursed him as pertaining to the Priesthood.
You’ll read in the LDS church history that the lineage/race issue meant that sometimes a dark-skinned convert would be deemed not part of the priesthood-cursed lineage, and would be granted priesthood, but that others would.

The notion that children of Ham were black and/or cursed is not exclusive to LDS. There is a piece of religious fiction, ghost-authored by Clemens Brentano (friend of mystic Anne Catherine Emmerich) which describes Ham’s curse as being the curse of black skin and that Ham originated the African race. (Note, these pseudo-visions of Brentano’s are attributed to Jesus and Mary speaking to Emmerich).

If you look at the history of the Catholic church, some doctrines are not fully developed until late in the game. The theology of purgatory didn’t start to take shape until the practice of indulgences became widespread. In the case of the LDS church, they had this practice that didn’t seem to develop doctrines over the practice until after it had been put in place. I think there’s some quotations that go back to the time of Joseph Fielding Smith (the prophet’s nephew and future prophet) and an entry in McConkie’s Mormon Encyclopedia under the"Negro Doctrine" explaining that those who were excluded from the priesthood had done something wrong in the pre-Existence.

As noted elsewhere, this book caused problems for the LDS in several other places - McConkie located the “great and abominable” church of the BoM within the Roman Catholic Church. This very old Reform view of the RCC was common among Protestants and had essentially taken root when Protestant converts joined the LDS faith.

Lifting the ban made the Brazil situation a lot simpler. Brazil is a mixed-race country, and with the prohibition lifted, all questions of “lineage” stopped.

I dug up this online book which is one person’s research into this:
[angelfire.com/mo2/blackmormon/ma(name removed by moderator)age.htm](http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/blackmormon/ma(name removed by moderator)age.htm)

Look into question #38, he goes into the whole Ham/Canaan situation. Another page also distinguishes between the Hamitic/Curse of Cain lineage prohibition (which is LDS doctrine) with the Negro (or “less valient”) was never official doctrine.
 
If you look at the history of the Catholic church, some doctrines are not fully developed until late in the game. The theology of purgatory didn’t start to take shape until the practice of indulgences became widespread. In the case of the LDS church, they had this practice that didn’t seem to develop doctrines over the practice until after it had been put in place.
There is an LDS doctrine that allows all worthy males to be ordained. There never was a doctrine that denied this ordination. Joseph Smith did not believe this or teach it. It was only after Smith’s death that Brigham Young instituted his racist views as a divine order. The LDS, believing he was the prophet he claimed to be, followed him in his racism, believing they were following God. Over time LDS leaders created a ever growing theological opinion behind a practice that never had a doctrinal backing.

Eventually, societal changes and intolerance for racism forced this farce to end and a “revelation” to come forth that ended the racism instituted by Brigham Young.

To me, this is just an indication (one of many) that Brigham Young was a false prophet, and, LDS revelation nothing but opinion.

I don’t believe your comparison to the Catholic doctrine of purgatory is valid.
 
There is an LDS doctrine that allows all worthy males to be ordained. There never was a doctrine that denied this ordination. Joseph Smith did not believe this or teach it. It was only after Smith’s death that Brigham Young instituted his racist views as a divine order. The LDS, believing he was the prophet he claimed to be, followed him in his racism, believing they were following God. Over time LDS leaders created a ever growing theological opinion behind a practice that never had a doctrinal backing.

Eventually, societal changes and intolerance for racism forced this farce to end and a “revelation” to come forth that ended the racism instituted by Brigham Young.

To me, this is just an indication (one of many) that Brigham Young was a false prophet, and, LDS revelation nothing but opinion.

I don’t believe your comparison to the Catholic doctrine of purgatory is valid.
this is interesting, so there was no revelation that restricted the priesthood, it was just done?
 
I don’t believe your comparison to the Catholic doctrine of purgatory is valid.
Oh, I didn’t think you would…

There’s a bit more on the “Curse of Cain” and the “Curse of Ham” here, including a very special gift to the devotees of the Anne Catherine Emmerich “visions” :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham
According to Catholic mystic Anne Catherine Emmerich, “I saw the curse pronounced by Noah upon Ham moving toward the latter like a black cloud and obscuring him. His skin lost its whiteness, he grew darker. His sin was the sin of sacrilege, the sin of one who would forcibly enter the Ark of the Covenant. I saw a most corrupt race descend from Ham and sink deeper and deeper in darkness. I see that the black, idolatrous, stupid nations are the descendants of Ham. Their color is due, not to the rays of the sun, but to the dark source whence those degraded races sprang”
Anyway, to get back to the Mormons, there is a relationship between the “curse” and skin and lineage. If you scan those links I indicated above, it is LDS doctrine that priesthood was denied to Cain (and to Ham), something which is not only attested by leaders of the LDS church but also by their own scriptures. The one link suggested that the congenital “curse” of black skin was placed to prevent priesthood-friendly lineages from mixing with this lineage, otherwise their lineage would lose the blessings of the priesthood. And that curse passed to Ham who then passed it onto his descendents.

The Book of Mormon has its own racial fixations. The Lamanites were cursed with a dark skin, for the specific reason that the descendents of the Nepihtes should not mix with them, and thus take part in the errors of the Lamanites. Although there is at one point in the BoM where many of the Nephites have gone astray, and a good part of the Lamanites embraced the Nephite religion and rejected the errors of their fathers. Even before these conversion efforts, successive waves of Nephite dissidents and outcast priests infiltrated and some led segments of the Lamanites to war against their former brethren.

One curious passage in the BoM described the curse being lifted on some Lamanite converts. Eh?

Still, it’s hard not to read the Book of Mormon and the passages about the curse of dark skin and wince a little.
 
One curious passage in the BoM described the curse being lifted on some Lamanite converts. Eh?

Still, it’s hard not to read the Book of Mormon and the passages about the curse of dark skin and wince a little.
More than wince.

I was LDS during the Spencer Kimball era, and his statement that Native Americans who were learning to be Mormon we’re growing lighter in skin color because of it. :tsktsk: :whacky:
 

If you look at the history of the Catholic church, some doctrines are not fully developed until late in the game. The theology of purgatory didn’t start to take shape until the practice of indulgences became widespread…
Hold on just a minute! This can NOT be true! This sounds like some Protestant Apologist referring to the Catholic “man-made” religion that “invents” doctrines! Where did you get this silly line? Wherever you got it, it originated from some ignorant and disgruntled ex-Catholic or non-Catholic.

Many misinformed Protestants will claim that the Church “invented” this or that doctrine in this or that century. But the truth is the doctrine was always around and always accepted so much so that it never needed defining. It was only when it was challenged that the Chruch was in the position of needing to define it, to conteract the latest protesting theologian who came along selling his own brand of the church. So, the truth here is 100 times more likely this: When indulgences became a problem, the Church at this time took the time to explain both indulgences and her ancient and always-held doctrine of purgatory.

So yes, Rebecca, you are right. You have good instincts for truth.
 
Oh, I didn’t think you would…

There’s a bit more on the “Curse of Cain” and the “Curse of Ham” here, including a very special gift to the devotees of the Anne Catherine Emmerich “visions” :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham

According to Catholic mystic Anne Catherine Emmerich, “I saw the curse pronounced by Noah upon Ham moving toward the latter like a black cloud and obscuring him. His skin lost its whiteness, he grew darker. His sin was the sin of sacrilege, the sin of one who would forcibly enter the Ark of the Covenant. I saw a most corrupt race descend from Ham and sink deeper and deeper in darkness. I see that the black, idolatrous, stupid nations are the descendants of Ham. Their color is due, not to the rays of the sun, but to the dark source whence those degraded races sprang” …
My understanding is that the reason why Emerich’s work seems to ring false at times, in places such as this, and others, is because her words are not her own. Her words are “as told to” someone else, a Priest, or someone who was her spiritual advisor. He would walk alongside her and listen and later go back and write what he heard. This is how it was explained to me once. The said scribe has been thought to have added some of his own embellishments to round out the story.

This is what I have heard. I don’t know that I have time to find sources. Has anyone else heard this?
 
It is one of the defining differences between LDS and Catholics (and most of Christianity).

God continues to Reveal the Truth of Jesus Christ. The Church seeks to always understand this Revelation. The Holy Spirit guides people to the Truth of Jesus Christ. There are no new doctrines. Certainly, the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit in her endeavor to bring all to salvation. This includes providing guidance when doctrine needs to be clarified. NEVER doctrine that is added to or taken away.

Mormons have the idea that God reveals new doctrines to be added and other revelations to take once revealed doctrines away.
 
from Wikipedia on Anne Catherine Emerich’s work:

… in 1819, the famous poet Clement Brentaro was induced to visit her; to his great amazement she recognized him, and he claimed she told him he had been pointed out to her as the man who was to enable her to fulfill God’s command, namely, to write down for the good of innumerable souls the revelations made to her. …

From 1819 until her death in 1824 Brentano recorded her visions…,

…According to his own account, Brentano took down briefly in writing the main points, and, as she spoke the Westphalian dialect, he immediately rewrote them in standard German. He would read aloud what he wrote to her, and made changes until she gave him complete approval.

After 1824, Brentano edited his records for publication and in 1833 he published his first volume, The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ according to the Meditations of Anne Catherine Emmerich. Brentano then prepared The Life of the Blessed Virgin Mary From the Visions of Anna Catherine Emmerich for publication, but he died in 1842.

The book was published posthumously in 1852 in Munich.
Catholic priest Father Karl Schmoger edited Brentano’s manuscripts and from 1858 to 1880 published the three volumes of The Life of Our Lord.

So you see, the work was edited after the death of Emerich and the death of her chosen writer.
 
Hold on just a minute! This can NOT be true! This sounds like some Protestant Apologist referring to the Catholic “man-made” religion that “invents” doctrines! Where did you get this silly line? Wherever you got it, it originated from some ignorant and disgruntled ex-Catholic or non-Catholic.
I never said anything was “invented”, only that the specific theology wasn’t developed or formulated until years after the fact. Have you read any Raymond Brown?

As for Emmerich, there are strong reasons to reject her “visions”

bc.edu/research/cjl/meta-elements/texts/cjrelations/topics/commentary_emmerich.htm
It is these writings that are controversial today. They feature a persistent antisemitic tone, including portraying most Jewish characters involved in Jesus’ crucifixion as exaggeratedly and demonically wicked. They mention the blood libel (Jews killing Christian children to make Passover matzah), and present racist descriptions of hooked-nosed Jews. These antisemitic motifs reflected and reinforced the prevailing sentiments of their time. A major difficulty confronting those investigating the merits of her beatification was their inability to determine whether these notions came from Emmerich herself, from her ghost writer Brentano, or from some combination of the two.
bc.edu/research/cjl/meta-elements/texts/cjrelations/resources/reviews/gibson_cunningham.htm
“The soul of the old Jewess Meyr told me on the way that it was true that in former times the Jews, both in our country and elsewhere, had strangled many Christians, principally children, and used their blood for all sort of superstitious and diabolical practices. She had once believed it lawful; but she now knew that it was abominable murder. They still follow such practices in this country and in others more distant; but very secretly, because they are obliged to have commercial intercourse with Christians.[4]”
Emmerich’s work is racist and anti-semitic.
 
I never said anything was “invented”, only that the specific theology wasn’t developed or formulated until years after the fact…
I think it is more true to say the doctrine was “defined” years after the fact. The doctrine was held and was taught and was believed and accepted - just not formally defined.
Have you read any Raymond Brown?.
I haven’t but I would - he sounds worth reading.
As for Emmerich, there are strong reasons to reject her “visions”

bc.edu/research/cjl/meta-elements/texts/cjrelations/topics/commentary_emmerich.htm

… They feature a persistent antisemitic tone, including portraying most Jewish characters involved in Jesus’ crucifixion as exaggeratedly and demonically wicked. They mention the blood libel (Jews killing Christian children to make Passover matzah), and present racist descriptions of hooked-nosed Jews. These antisemitic motifs reflected and reinforced the prevailing sentiments of their time. A major difficulty confronting those investigating the merits of her beatification was their inability to determine whether these notions came from Emmerich herself, from her ghost writer Brentano, or from some combination of the two.

bc.edu/research/cjl/meta-elements/texts/cjrelations/resources/reviews/gibson_cunningham.htm
“The soul of the old Jewess Meyr told me on the way that it was true that in former times the Jews, both in our country and elsewhere, had strangled many Christians, principally children, and used their blood for all sort of superstitious and diabolical practices. She had once believed it lawful; but she now knew that it was abominable murder. They still follow such practices in this country and in others more distant; but very secretly, because they are obliged to have commercial intercourse with Christians.[4]”

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I am not expert on Catherine Anne Emmerich, but I do know that I would not throw out all her works in total because of some controversial aspects that may well have to do with her scribe or the one who edited the works after the death of her and her scribe.

As to the quotes you posted, they do sound racey, but then I can also read them another way.

As to the first quote: One could not possibly exaggerate the demonic evil of the Jews and the Romans involved in persecuting Christ. They were not themselves - they were themselves given over to the devil.

As to blood sacrifice of children, this has been going on for centuries, perhaps since the beginning of mankind, and in this country, too, and in your town and mine, among Satanic worshippers who sacrifice children routinely. I know this to be true though I am not an expert in this department and don’t care to ever be. Just a brief Google search on Satanic Ritual Abuse will reveal more than you wish to know on the subject. I am sure there are and have been these demonized people who call themselves “Christians” or who call themselves “Jews” as a mockery, as, they are in fact neither: they are Satanists who take those names to mock the people of God. They make a mockery of all the sacraments and rituals of these religions in their own perverted satanic style.

So for that reason I would say perhaps the “old Jewess Meyr” told her the truth. It is true that they [Satanists] still practice such things, here and in distant countires, only secretly. Possibly a strategy of Satan in those days was for the Satanists to pervert the Jewish religion in order to defame it, and for the ritual child sacrifice to involve Christian children, in order to stir up anti-semitism, perhaps to pave the way for the evil one’s work in Hitler’s Germany.
Emmerich’s work is racist and anti-semitic.
IMO, tthe jury is out on that.
 
As to blood sacrifice of children, this has been going on for centuries, perhaps since the beginning of mankind, and in this country, too, and in your town and mine, among Satanic worshippers who sacrifice children routinely. I know this to be true though I am not an expert in this department and don’t care to ever be. Just a brief Google search on Satanic Ritual Abuse will reveal more than you wish to know on the subject. I am sure there are and have been these demonized people who call themselves “Christians” or who call themselves “Jews” as a mockery, as, they are in fact neither: they are Satanists who take those names to mock the people of God. They make a mockery of all the sacraments and rituals of these religions in their own perverted satanic style.

So for that reason I would say perhaps the “old Jewess Meyr” told her the truth. It is true that they [Satanists] still practice such things, here and in distant countires, only secretly. Possibly a strategy of Satan in those days was for the Satanists to pervert the Jewish religion in order to defame it, and for the ritual child sacrifice to involve Christian children, in order to stir up anti-semitism, perhaps to pave the way for the evil one’s work in Hitler’s Germany.
I’ve always treated the Satan-worshipping child-kidnapping phenomena as a kind of urban myth. A lot of these kidnappings take place for mundane reasons. There’s a guy who was exposed recently for having taken a teenager and held her captive as a sexual slave in his backyard - not surprisingly he inculcated her with religious notions that justified the slavery. You have non-custodial parents who involve themselves in kidnappings, or unhapppy teenagers who just want to leave home, for whatever reason. The motives of these are usually less glamorous than the “satanic kidnapping” phenomena, yet it is the latter that feeds the popular imagination. Most evil is banal.

As for your take on Old Jewess Meyr, this sounds like something straight out of the book of Pat Buchanan Holocaust Revisionism. Buchanan doesn’t deny the Holocaust, he merely says straight out that they brought on their own troubles on themselves. In other words, we have anti-Semitism because the Jews inspired it and gave people reasons to hate them. It’s their fault.
 
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