So in 2006 the all priesthood holders in the LDS church had to be admonished on their racial attitudes by the prophet? What does this say about them??? If no LDS are prejudiced why does the prophet have to bring it up in General Conference?Not true. For the most part mormons are not racist. But I am sure that some have said racist things even though I have not heard racist comments. President Hinckley said the following:
During the 176th General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, President Gordon B. Hinckley did not speak or conduct in the Saturday morning or afternoon sessions. In the general priesthood session held that same evening, however, he spoke emphatically, urging priesthood holders to do everything in their power to wipe out racism in the LDS Church.
"When a man grows old he develops a softer touch, a kindlier manner. I have thought of this much of late. . . .
"Racial strife still lifts its ugly head. I am advised that even right here among us there is some of this. I cannot understand how it can be. It seemed to me that we all rejoiced in the 1978 revelation given President Kimball. I was there in the temple at the time that that happened. There was no doubt in my mind or in the minds of my associates that what was revealed was the mind and the will of the Lord.
"Now I am told that racial slurs and denigrating remarks are sometimes heard among us. I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ. Nor can he consider himself to be in harmony with the teachings of the Church of Christ. How can any man holding the Melchizedek Priesthood arrogantly assume that he is eligible for the priesthood whereas another who lives a righteous life but whose skin is of a different color is ineligible?
"Throughout my service as a member of the First Presidency, I have recognized and spoken a number of times on the diversity we see in our society. It is all about us, and we must make an effort to accommodate that diversity.
"Let us all recognize that each of us is a son or daughter of our Father in Heaven, who loves all of His children.
"Brethren, there is no basis for racial hatred among the priesthood of this Church. If any within the sound of my voice is inclined to indulge in this, then let him go before the Lord and ask for forgiveness and be no more involved in such.
“Why do any of us have to be so mean and unkind to others? Why can’t all of us reach out in friendship to everyone about us? Why is there so much bitterness and animosity? It is not a part of the gospel of Jesus Christ.”
Where is the racism?
Of course we need to remember that mormon priesthood holders are average guys and everyone who is male and worthy can receive the priesthood. I don’t think that it says much. But what it does say is that the prophet at that time felt a need to address the issue. But I don’t think that the feelings were very prevalent in the lds church.So in 2006 the all priesthood holders in the LDS church had to be admonished on their racial attitudes by the prophet? What does this say about them??? If no LDS are prejudiced why does the prophet have to bring it up in General Conference?
Sounds good, I’ll check it out.Please watch the dvd’s "the Bible vs. the book of mormon and the the book of mormon vs. DNA. You can find them also in allot of catholic stores, atleast you will in Utah. We find it a personal responsability as catholics to help the lost find the truth. You can also pull it up on youtube. This has historians, scientist and so on who where mormon out to prove the occult right and came out with the truth instead and felt the call by Christ to share this with others! Please watch!
It is is well documented throughout the history of the Church. The Fact is it was in Mormon Doctrine from the begining of the Church that Men of African Decent could not hold the Higher Preisthood, they could not receive the fulness of the blessings offered. Not until 1978 was the “Official” stance of the Church reversed.Not true. For the most part mormons are not racist. But I am sure that some have said racist things even though I have not heard racist comments. President Hinckley said the following:
During the 176th General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, President Gordon B. Hinckley did not speak or conduct in the Saturday morning or afternoon sessions. In the general priesthood session held that same evening, however, he spoke emphatically, urging priesthood holders to do everything in their power to wipe out racism in the LDS Church.
"When a man grows old he develops a softer touch, a kindlier manner. I have thought of this much of late. . . .
"Racial strife still lifts its ugly head. I am advised that even right here among us there is some of this. I cannot understand how it can be. It seemed to me that we all rejoiced in the 1978 revelation given President Kimball. I was there in the temple at the time that that happened. There was no doubt in my mind or in the minds of my associates that what was revealed was the mind and the will of the Lord.
"Now I am told that racial slurs and denigrating remarks are sometimes heard among us. I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ. Nor can he consider himself to be in harmony with the teachings of the Church of Christ. How can any man holding the Melchizedek Priesthood arrogantly assume that he is eligible for the priesthood whereas another who lives a righteous life but whose skin is of a different color is ineligible?
"Throughout my service as a member of the First Presidency, I have recognized and spoken a number of times on the diversity we see in our society. It is all about us, and we must make an effort to accommodate that diversity.
"Let us all recognize that each of us is a son or daughter of our Father in Heaven, who loves all of His children.
"Brethren, there is no basis for racial hatred among the priesthood of this Church. If any within the sound of my voice is inclined to indulge in this, then let him go before the Lord and ask for forgiveness and be no more involved in such.
“Why do any of us have to be so mean and unkind to others? Why can’t all of us reach out in friendship to everyone about us? Why is there so much bitterness and animosity? It is not a part of the gospel of Jesus Christ.”
Where is the racism?
“Avatage guys”, as long as they are not black-skinned …Of course we need to remember that mormon priesthood holders are average guys and everyone who is male and worthy can receive the priesthood.
Now there is a statement that I’ve heard before, and makes no sense. There is no such thing as a 'doctrine that has always been around but never needed defining." If there is one thing that the Catholic priesthood has been good at (and thank heaven for that!) is that they WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN. That’s why we HAVE the scriptures carefully preserved. That’s why we have the writings of the early Catholic leaders, who were exacting in their insistence upon writing things down; their thoughts, the decisions of the assemblies…everything.Hold on just a minute! This can NOT be true! This sounds like some Protestant Apologist referring to the Catholic “man-made” religion that “invents” doctrines! Where did you get this silly line? Wherever you got it, it originated from some ignorant and disgruntled ex-Catholic or non-Catholic.
Many misinformed Protestants will claim that the Church “invented” this or that doctrine in this or that century. But the truth is the doctrine was always around and always accepted so much so that it never needed defining. It was only when it was challenged that the Chruch was in the position of needing to define it, to conteract the latest protesting theologian who came along selling his own brand of the church. So, the truth here is 100 times more likely this: When indulgences became a problem, the Church at this time took the time to explain both indulgences and her ancient and always-held doctrine of purgatory.
So yes, Rebecca, you are right. You have good instincts for truth.
–Quite wrong. The Bible does not back up mormonism. Where in the Bible does it say God was once a man? or that Jesus was born by the usual union of impregnation between God and Mary? Where does it say men can become Gods?Your question is amusing to me, since the Bible backs up every Mormon teaching and thus to say it is a “sham” is to say the Bible is a “sham”, which I doubt you meant to say.
–The mormon church itself is not “false”; it is a real building (I’ve seen the temple in Salt Lake). It’s really there. (but they won’t let anyone from the general public in to see it, which is ridiculous). **What is false? - the mormon doctrine and all of Joe’s Myth. **The Mormon church is false? I must have missed the news release. In what newspaper was it announced that the mormon faith is false?
**–You are a very wise person. **When I joined the LDS Church at 19, it didn’t seem obviously fabricated to me. The people were by and large wonderful people who lived the precepts of their religion. It was hard for me to imagine how Joseph Smith could have written the Book of Mormon by himself. Mormonism had a lot of natural appeal for a young guy looking for some stability in life. As I grew older and studied, it became clear to me that it was false, but I had to study for quite a while to come to that conclusion.
(1) It would be difficult for someone to even have an inkling of what that might mean if they don’t begin with the basic understanding taught by Moses in Genesis 1:26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:” and in Genesis 1:27 “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”–Quite wrong. The Bible does not back up mormonism. (1) Where in the Bible does it say God was once a man? (2) or that Jesus was born by the usual union of impregnation between God and Mary? (3) Where does it say men can become Gods?
Something else I find interesting is that the mormon church believes the Apostacy occurred after the death of the last Apostle.**"Mormonism includes many other unusual teachings which you will probably not be told about until you have been in the church for a long time. These teachings are not revealed to investigators or new converts because those people are not yet considered ready to have more than “milk” as doctrine. The Mormons also probably realize that if investigators knew of these unusual teachings they would not join the church. In addition to those mentioned elsewhere in this article, the following are noteworthy: **
All this…and SO MUCH more quoted from HERE…
- God was once a man like us.
- God has a tangible body of flesh and bone.
- God lives on a planet near the star Kolob.
- God (“Heavenly Father”) has at least one wife, our “Mother in Heaven,” but she is so holy that we are not to discuss her nor pray to her.
- Jesus was married.
- We can become like God and rule over our own universe.
- There are many gods, ruling over their own worlds.
- Jesus and Satan (“Lucifer”) are brothers, and they are our brothers - we are all spirit children of Heavenly Father
- Jesus Christ was conceived by God the Father by having sex with Mary, who was temporarily his wife.
- We should not pray to Jesus, nor try to feel a personal relationship with him.
- The “Lord” (“Jehovah”) in the Old Testament is the being named Jesus in the New Testament, but different from “God the Father” (“Elohim”).
- In the highest degree of the celestial kingdom some men will have more than one wife.
- Before coming to this earth we lived as spirits in a “pre-existence”, during which we were tested; our position in this life (whether born to Mormons or savages, or in America or Africa) is our reward or punishment for our obedience in that life.
- Dark skin is a curse from God, the result of our sin, or the sin of our ancestors. If sufficiently righteous, a dark-skinned person will become light-skinned.
- The Garden of Eden was in Missouri. All humanity before the Great Flood lived in the western hemisphere. The Ark transported Noah and the other survivors to the eastern hemisphere.
- Not only will human beings be resurrected to eternal life, but also all animals - everything that has ever lived on earth - will be resurrected and dwell in heaven.
- Christ will not return to earth in any year that has seen a rainbow.
- Mormons should avoid traveling on water, since Satan rules the waters.
- The sun receives its light from the star Kolob.
- If a Gentile becomes Mormon, the Holy Ghost actually purges his Gentile blood and replaces it with Israelite blood.
- A righteous Mormon will actually see the face of God in the Mormon temple.
- You can identify a false angel by the color of his hair, or by offering to shake his hand."
We don’t reject Sacred Tradition as Protestants and Mormons do. Clarifying what is held in the Deposit of Faith when/if issues arise is the purpose of Ecumenical Councils and the Magisterium. Contrary to Mormon error in belief, that Christ’s Church died and is dead, the Church is very much alive. Living through Him, in Him and with Him, through the unity of the Holy Spirit.Especially since, well…nobody wrote them down, or referred to them as having existed before they WERE written down.
Parker, the truth can hurt…or at least ‘sting’.I think the Master Teacher, Who was the literal Son of God, Perfect in every way, really meant what He taught.
I agree. I don’t believe Joseph Smith would recognize his own church in the LDS church.Something else I find interesting is that the mormon church believes the Apostacy occurred after the death of the last Apostle.
If we hold them to the same standard, their “church” fell into Apostacy at the very beginning, since their church was without a “prophet” for several years at a time early on.
moroni10.com/apostles-chronology.html
If we apply apples to apples here, there is proof of their own Apostacy.
Just one thing here. God became Man. This is the Incarnation. I know that you know this but Mormons get confused with a statement like this.**
God was never a man, and man can never become a God or even god-like.
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even more correctly, it’s that God the Father was once a man. As Catholics, we believe that the Son incarnated.Just one thing here. God became Man. This is the Incarnation. I know that you know this but Mormon get confused with a statement like this.
Mormon belief that a Man became God, in an eternal regression, is indeed an error in teaching. It is so far outside of Christianity that it is not even heretical. It is something other.
Further Diana if you truly believe this, then you should be able to find Mormonism in Church writings. However, you cannot.Now there is a statement that I’ve heard before, and makes no sense. There is no such thing as a 'doctrine that has always been around but never needed defining." If there is one thing that the Catholic priesthood has been good at (and thank heaven for that!) is that they WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN. That’s why we HAVE the scriptures carefully preserved. That’s why we have the writings of the early Catholic leaders, who were exacting in their insistence upon writing things down; their thoughts, the decisions of the assemblies…everything.
So, given that, I’m sorry. I don’t buy the ‘it was always there, it just never needed defining’ argument, especially in terms of doctrines for which there was never a hint in earlier works.
How do you KNOW that they were 'around, but nobody bothered to write them down?"
Especially since, well…nobody wrote them down, or referred to them as having existed before they WERE written down.
Indeed. From this Mormons come to many errors, and lack a true understanding of Who God Is.even more correctly, it’s that God the Father was once a man. As Catholics, we believe that the Son incarnated.