Why Are People So Scared of Syrian Refugees?

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When did safety become bigotry?
Safety precautions can and should be taken, as they should for immigrants from other countries. Surely the U.S. has the know-how to institute such precautions, as Israel does. The safety issue is used as a cover-up for prejudiced attitudes against Muslims and Islam in general. It was the same in our country when other immigrants were allowed in: similar hostility and disdain for the unknown, foreign group that would bring with them their strange culture, language, customs, as well as aggression and violence. As a nation, we haven’t changed much and have learned virtually nothing from our past. Ignorance and fear are our abiding traits. Particularly Jews and African Americans should know better, but also Catholics.
 
I had thought that Jesus said something similar in the New Testament, but, judging by many of the responses here, on a Catholic Forum no less, I guess I was mistaken. Rather, the politics of bigotry–no need to mince words–trumps (no pun intended) religious teaching.
I vaguely recalled something to that effect. Had to Google the quote a couple times because i couldn’t remember the exact phrasing but… this is apparently taken from what they call the “Gosepl of Matthew” Chapter 25
For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
"Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
"The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Now i’m not a Christian. I wouldn’t even know if there’s a specific way or ways to interpret that passage.

Maybe i’m missing a footnote or an asterisk or a caveat.

Maybe its one of those passages of their holy book that’s been jettisoned or amended.

Maybe it only applies to Christians or Catholics.

I have no idea what manner of exegesis this passage is interpreted in.

But from my unbelieving, scientific materialistic, non-Western, eyes… at least on face value it seems to be counciling people to help the less fortunate.

But I could be wrong. 🤷
 
The answer to your question concerning the Israeli government is YES, although I doubt they will (or have they already?). Politically and logistically, it would be a mess for Israel; but, in keeping with the Hebrew Bible command, they are morally bound to shelter, clothe, and feed the stranger. I had thought that Jesus said something similar in the New Testament, but, judging by many of the responses here, on a Catholic Forum no less, I guess I was mistaken. Rather, the politics of bigotry–no need to mince words–trumps (no pun intended) religious teaching.
Do you think that to shelter clothe and feed it must be done under one’s own roof, or can the actions to do so be done at a distance? Can charity and safety be done simultaneously?

Jon
 
Surely the U.S. has the know-how to institute such precautions, as Israel does.
Pardon the sarcasm…

Kind of like how successful the U.S. was at stopping the terrorist bombings at the Boston marathons in 2013?

Or our phenomenal success in stopping 911? (Tell that to the families of 2,752 people that died that tragic day.)

How about our success in stopping the 2009 Fort Hood shootings?

With all this history of “success”, you still believe we should trust that our leaders have the “know-how” to take appropriate “precautions”?

In the last 40 years, on American soil, we have had roughly 75 terror attacks committed by Muslim extremists that resulted in the unnecessary death of approximately 3,106 individuals, primarily Americans.

Like most Americans who disdainfully watch our clown leaders, I don’t have a whole lot of confidence in our country’s ability to do much of anything, let alone stop a determined group of militant extremists hell-bent on the destruction of Western civilization. Call me a skeptic.

I mean really… We stand idly by while Christians are beheaded and crucified, and we do nothing. Sure, we play pretend, and try to speak a good game, but really? What have we accomplished since 911? ISIS has morphed into the Frankenstein version of Al-Qaeda on steroids. And our feckless leaders do nothing.

So, yes, call me bull-headed. Call me boorish. Call me “unsympathetic” to the refugee cause. Call me a racist. It doesn’t really matter.

Because our country is going to heck in a hand-basket, and only the second coming of Christ is going to straighten this mess out. He can’t come back soon enough.
 
I really am confused, why in America do super right-wing republicans get the Christian vote. Are you reading some lost Bible passage where Jesus preached nationalism, sectarianism, and libertarianism?
Personally I’m not a Trump fan and I think he is an(over) reaction to Obama.
However , many Conservative Christians want a strong pro-life, pro traditional marriage
candidate. And in times like this, strong on national defense.
And it’s only the Republican party that has taken an official Prolife stance.
The Democratic Party has a taken an official Pro-Choice stance.
 
Ridgerunner…Ich bin eine dumpkopf! Nicht verstehe sehr gut! Danke Schoen!
 
I…
I really am confused, why in America do super right-wing republicans get the Christian vote. Are you reading some lost Bible passage where Jesus preached nationalism, sectarianism, and libertarianism?
I think they prefer the Old Testament to the New Testament and take Paul’s teachings more seriously than those of Jesus.

Canada is taking 25000 refugees in the next couple of months and the US is hesitating to take 10000 over more than a year - it is quite shameful!
 
I think they prefer the Old Testament to the New Testament and take Paul’s teachings more seriously than those of Jesus.

Canada is taking 25000 refugees in the next couple of months and the US is hesitating to take 10000 over more than a year - it is quite shameful!
Actually according to a few news reports just tonight Canada has amended that to:
They will take in women and children, and whole families, but not unaccompanied single men of military age.
See post in World News.
 
I think they prefer the Old Testament to the New Testament and take Paul’s teachings more seriously than those of Jesus.

Canada is taking 25000 refugees in the next couple of months and the US is hesitating to take 10000 over more than a year - it is quite shameful!
Right, and look at what they elected north of the boarder.
 
I think they prefer the Old Testament to the New Testament and take Paul’s teachings more seriously than those of Jesus.

Canada is taking 25000 refugees in the next couple of months and the US is hesitating to take 10000 over more than a year - it is quite shameful!
I don’t think it’s shameful, its responsible.
 
Frankly, I don’t think we can vett 10 thousand in a year, and certainly question that Canada’s ability to vet 25 thousand in a few months. Pure folly in my opinion.
 
I don’t think it’s shameful, its responsible.
Right. considering that ISIS has called out the U.S. specifically, saying that American blood tastes the sweetest, it would be folly on our part not to know who we are taking in.
I’m all for us helping them with sending money to help clothe, feed, ect.
And I’m not adverse to taking some in if we had a surefire way of screening them.
The first responsibility of a Leader of a nation or Governor of a state is the safety of their citizens.
 
I don’t know anyone afraid or unwelcoming of refugees. It’s the sneaking in of terrorists that is unwelcome. We should rather fund creating a safe haven for them in their own country. If someone handed you a bag of skittles, but told you that one of the pieces in the bag was poisoned and would kill you, would you eat out of that bag or even share it with your family and friends? I wouldn’t.
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We all agree that for legitimate refugees, we should welcome them with open arms. That’s not the issue. The issue is the screening process to determine which refugees are legitimate, and which are ISIS terrorists. We have no way of knowing.
Sorry for the delayed response. Fighting a bug.

Yes, we can know. Please, I beg everyone who thinks there is absolutely no way to be sure, look up what the actual screening process is instead of relying on politicians who have no idea what they are talking about.

Here are the facts: (got this from someone who actually has worked with the refugee process for twenty years)

"First, you do not get to choose what country you might be resettled into. If you already have family (legal) in a country, that makes it more likely that you will go there to be with family, but other than that it is random. So, you can not simply walk into a refugee camp, show a document, and say, I want to go to America. Instead, the UNHCR (United Nations High Commissioner on Refugees) works with the local authorities to try to take care of basic needs. Once the person/family is registered to receive basic necessities, they can be processed for resettlement.

Resettlement in the U.S. is a long process and takes many steps. We evaluate refugees on a tiered system with three levels of priority.

First Priority are people who have suffered compelling persecution or for whom no other durable solution exists. These individuals are referred to the United States by UNHCR, or they are identified by the U.S. embassy or a non-governmental organization (NGO).

Second priority are groups of “special concern” to the United States. The Department of State determines these groups, with (name removed by moderator)ut from USCIS, UNHCR, and designated NGOs. At present, we prioritize certain persons from the former Soviet Union, Cuba, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Iran, Burma, and Bhutan.

Third priority are relatives of refugees (parents, spouses, and unmarried children under 21) who are already settled in the United States may be admitted as refugees. The U.S.-based relative must file an Affidavit of Relationship (AOR) and must be processed by DHS.

Before being allowed to come to the United States, each refugee must undergo an extensive interviewing, screening, and security clearance process conducted by Regional Refugee Coordinators and overseas Resettlement Support Centers (RSCs). Individuals generally must not already be firmly resettled (a legal term of art that would be a separate article). Just because one falls into the three priorities above does not guarantee admission to the United States.

The Immigration laws require that the individuals prove that they have a “well-founded fear,” (another legal term which would be a book.) This fear must be proved regardless of the person’s country, circumstance, or classification in a priority category. **There are multiple interviews and people are challenged on discrepancies. **Refugees are not simply admitted because they have a well founded fear. They still must show that they are not subject to exclusion under Section 212(a) of the INA. These grounds include serious health matters, moral or criminal matters, as well as security issues. In addition, they can be excluded for such things as polygamy, misrepresentation of facts on visa applications, smuggling, or previous deportations. Under some circumstances, the person may be eligible to have the ground waived.

At this point, a refugee can be conditionally accepted for resettlement. Then, the RSC sends a request for assurance of placement to the United States, and the Refugee Processing Center (RPC) works with private voluntary agencies (VOLAG) to determine where the refugee will live. If the refugee does have family in the U.S., efforts will be made to resettle close to that family.

Every person accepted as a refugee for planned admission to the United States is conditional upon passing a medical examination and passing all security checks. Frankly, there is more screening of refugees than ever happens to get on an airplane. Before departing, refugees sign a promissory note to repay the United States for their travel costs. This travel loan is an interest-free loan that refugees begin to pay back six months after arriving in the country.

Once the VOLAG is notified of the travel plans, it must arrange for the reception of refugees at the airport and transportation to their housing at their final destination.
This process from start to finish averages 18 to 24 months, but I have seen it take years.

Finally, the process in Europe is different. I would be much more concerned that terrorists are infiltrating the European system because they are not nearly so extensive and thorough in their process."

Is the process 100% foolproof? No. Nothing is. But the actual risk from terrorists infiltrating through the refugee process is so low, it doesn’t make sense to refuse help to refugees on that basis. Seriously. If ISIS wanted to attack us, all they’d have to do is forge a passport or a student visa, hop on a plane and they’d be here in two days. Why would they bother waiting in a refugee camp for several years on the off-chance they MIGHT be allowed in?

There’s a much higher risk of infiltration through the airlines, and there’s no way to completely vet everyone boarding a plane, and yet I don’t see any conservatives calling for a halt on tourism or international travel. Why not? If safety really is the only concern, at least let’s be consistent.

Look, I get it. I’m scared too. But I can’t get Jesus’ words out of my head. He told us not to fear those who can only kill the body. He told us refusing to help those in need is the same as refusing him. He told us to not be afraid. He told us he will be with us until the end.

Why are we Christians not listening?
 
I hope my fellow Catholics remember the words of Christ.

***"For I was hungry and you gave me food,
I was thirsty and you gave me drink,
I was a stranger and you welcomed me…

Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you…

‘Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me."***

We must not let fear drive us away from the Gospel message.
We must live up to the teachings of Christ, living in hope and love, helping the oppressed.
 
I hope my fellow Catholics remember the words of Christ.

***"For I was hungry and you gave me food,
I was thirsty and you gave me drink,
I was a stranger and you welcomed me…

Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you…

‘Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me."***

We must not let fear drive us away from the Gospel message.
We must live up to the teachings of Christ, living in hope and love, helping the oppressed.
:clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
Tell that to the million Iraqis killed in Bush’s war.
Tell it to the people killed in the Twin Towers.

Tell it to those dead & wounded at Ft. Hood.

Tell it to the dead and wounded in Boston.

Tell it to the millions killed by ISSI & Al Kadia or however you spell it.

Tell it to those killed & wounded in Paris.

Tell it to those killed & wounded in Spain.

Tell it to those killed & wounded in Great Britton.

The list goes on and on.

When someone comes up with a fool proof way to vet them so as we do not let in the enemy, becomes a different issue.

I carry a handgun daily, but it’s impossible for our own FBI to even vet our own citizens so as to totally prevent a crazy having a weapon.

Now you might know the reason why I’m afraid.
 
Sorry for the delayed response. Fighting a bug.

Yes, we can know. Please, I beg everyone who thinks there is absolutely no way to be sure, look up what the actual screening process is instead of relying on politicians who have no idea what they are talking about.

Here are the facts: (got this from someone who actually has worked with the refugee process for twenty years)

"First, you do not get to choose what country you might be resettled into. If you already have family (legal) in a country, that makes it more likely that you will go there to be with family, but other than that it is random. So, you can not simply walk into a refugee camp, show a document, and say, I want to go to America. Instead, the UNHCR (United Nations High Commissioner on Refugees) works with the local authorities to try to take care of basic needs. Once the person/family is registered to receive basic necessities, they can be processed for resettlement.

Resettlement in the U.S. is a long process and takes many steps. We evaluate refugees on a tiered system with three levels of priority.

First Priority are people who have suffered compelling persecution or for whom no other durable solution exists. These individuals are referred to the United States by UNHCR, or they are identified by the U.S. embassy or a non-governmental organization (NGO).

Second priority are groups of “special concern” to the United States. The Department of State determines these groups, with (name removed by moderator)ut from USCIS, UNHCR, and designated NGOs. At present, we prioritize certain persons from the former Soviet Union, Cuba, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Iran, Burma, and Bhutan.

Third priority are relatives of refugees (parents, spouses, and unmarried children under 21) who are already settled in the United States may be admitted as refugees. The U.S.-based relative must file an Affidavit of Relationship (AOR) and must be processed by DHS.

Before being allowed to come to the United States, each refugee must undergo an extensive interviewing, screening, and security clearance process conducted by Regional Refugee Coordinators and overseas Resettlement Support Centers (RSCs). Individuals generally must not already be firmly resettled (a legal term of art that would be a separate article). Just because one falls into the three priorities above does not guarantee admission to the United States.

The Immigration laws require that the individuals prove that they have a “well-founded fear,” (another legal term which would be a book.) This fear must be proved regardless of the person’s country, circumstance, or classification in a priority category. **There are multiple interviews and people are challenged on discrepancies. **Refugees are not simply admitted because they have a well founded fear. They still must show that they are not subject to exclusion under Section 212(a) of the INA. These grounds include serious health matters, moral or criminal matters, as well as security issues. In addition, they can be excluded for such things as polygamy, misrepresentation of facts on visa applications, smuggling, or previous deportations. Under some circumstances, the person may be eligible to have the ground waived.

At this point, a refugee can be conditionally accepted for resettlement. Then, the RSC sends a request for assurance of placement to the United States, and the Refugee Processing Center (RPC) works with private voluntary agencies (VOLAG) to determine where the refugee will live. If the refugee does have family in the U.S., efforts will be made to resettle close to that family.

Every person accepted as a refugee for planned admission to the United States is conditional upon passing a medical examination and passing all security checks. Frankly, there is more screening of refugees than ever happens to get on an airplane. Before departing, refugees sign a promissory note to repay the United States for their travel costs. This travel loan is an interest-free loan that refugees begin to pay back six months after arriving in the country.

Once the VOLAG is notified of the travel plans, it must arrange for the reception of refugees at the airport and transportation to their housing at their final destination.
This process from start to finish averages 18 to 24 months, but I have seen it take years.

Finally, the process in Europe is different. I would be much more concerned that terrorists are infiltrating the European system because they are not nearly so extensive and thorough in their process."

Is the process 100% foolproof? No. Nothing is. But the actual risk from terrorists infiltrating through the refugee process is so low, it doesn’t make sense to refuse help to refugees on that basis. Seriously. If ISIS wanted to attack us, all they’d have to do is forge a passport or a student visa, hop on a plane and they’d be here in two days. Why would they bother waiting in a refugee camp for several years on the off-chance they MIGHT be allowed in?

There’s a much higher risk of infiltration through the airlines, and there’s no way to completely vet everyone boarding a plane, and yet I don’t see any conservatives calling for a halt on tourism or international travel. Why not? If safety really is the only concern, at least let’s be consistent.

Look, I get it. I’m scared too. But I can’t get Jesus’ words out of my head. He told us not to fear those who can only kill the body. He told us refusing to help those in need is the same as refusing him. He told us to not be afraid. He told us he will be with us until the end.

Why are we Christians not listening?
Thank you for this post - for making available the very relevant information about the refugee resettlement process and for reminding us that our faith calls on us to be courageous in our practice. I know that writing this post was a lot of work.
 
Sorry for the delayed response. Fighting a bug.

Yes, we can know. Please, I beg everyone who thinks there is absolutely no way to be sure, look up what the actual screening process is instead of relying on politicians who have no idea what they are talking about.

Here are the facts: (got this from someone who actually has worked with the refugee process for twenty years)

"First, you do not get to choose what country you might be resettled into. If you already have family (legal) in a country, that makes it more likely that you will go there to be with family, but other than that it is random. So, you can not simply walk into a refugee camp, show a document, and say, I want to go to America. Instead, the UNHCR (United Nations High Commissioner on Refugees) works with the local authorities to try to take care of basic needs. Once the person/family is registered to receive basic necessities, they can be processed for resettlement.

Resettlement in the U.S. is a long process and takes many steps. We evaluate refugees on a tiered system with three levels of priority.

First Priority are people who have suffered compelling persecution or for whom no other durable solution exists. These individuals are referred to the United States by UNHCR, or they are identified by the U.S. embassy or a non-governmental organization (NGO).

Second priority are groups of “special concern” to the United States. The Department of State determines these groups, with (name removed by moderator)ut from USCIS, UNHCR, and designated NGOs. At present, we prioritize certain persons from the former Soviet Union, Cuba, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Iran, Burma, and Bhutan.

Third priority are relatives of refugees (parents, spouses, and unmarried children under 21) who are already settled in the United States may be admitted as refugees. The U.S.-based relative must file an Affidavit of Relationship (AOR) and must be processed by DHS.

Before being allowed to come to the United States, each refugee must undergo an extensive interviewing, screening, and security clearance process conducted by Regional Refugee Coordinators and overseas Resettlement Support Centers (RSCs). Individuals generally must not already be firmly resettled (a legal term of art that would be a separate article). Just because one falls into the three priorities above does not guarantee admission to the United States.

The Immigration laws require that the individuals prove that they have a “well-founded fear,” (another legal term which would be a book.) This fear must be proved regardless of the person’s country, circumstance, or classification in a priority category. **There are multiple interviews and people are challenged on discrepancies. **Refugees are not simply admitted because they have a well founded fear. They still must show that they are not subject to exclusion under Section 212(a) of the INA. These grounds include serious health matters, moral or criminal matters, as well as security issues. In addition, they can be excluded for such things as polygamy, misrepresentation of facts on visa applications, smuggling, or previous deportations. Under some circumstances, the person may be eligible to have the ground waived.

At this point, a refugee can be conditionally accepted for resettlement. Then, the RSC sends a request for assurance of placement to the United States, and the Refugee Processing Center (RPC) works with private voluntary agencies (VOLAG) to determine where the refugee will live. If the refugee does have family in the U.S., efforts will be made to resettle close to that family.

Every person accepted as a refugee for planned admission to the United States is conditional upon passing a medical examination and passing all security checks. Frankly, there is more screening of refugees than ever happens to get on an airplane. Before departing, refugees sign a promissory note to repay the United States for their travel costs. This travel loan is an interest-free loan that refugees begin to pay back six months after arriving in the country.

Once the VOLAG is notified of the travel plans, it must arrange for the reception of refugees at the airport and transportation to their housing at their final destination.
This process from start to finish averages 18 to 24 months, but I have seen it take years.

Finally, the process in Europe is different. I would be much more concerned that terrorists are infiltrating the European system because they are not nearly so extensive and thorough in their process."

Is the process 100% foolproof? No. Nothing is. But the actual risk from terrorists infiltrating through the refugee process is so low, it doesn’t make sense to refuse help to refugees on that basis. Seriously. If ISIS wanted to attack us, all they’d have to do is forge a passport or a student visa, hop on a plane and they’d be here in two days. Why would they bother waiting in a refugee camp for several years on the off-chance they MIGHT be allowed in?

There’s a much higher risk of infiltration through the airlines, and there’s no way to completely vet everyone boarding a plane, and yet I don’t see any conservatives calling for a halt on tourism or international travel. Why not? If safety really is the only concern, at least let’s be consistent.

Look, I get it. I’m scared too. But I can’t get Jesus’ words out of my head. He told us not to fear those who can only kill the body. He told us refusing to help those in need is the same as refusing him. He told us to not be afraid. He told us he will be with us until the end.

Why are we Christians not listening?
 
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