Why Are People So Scared of Syrian Refugees?

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I believe the recent past has shown this system to be flawed and untrustworthy
 
openmind77 said:
I think I should probably be afraid of you.
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Only if you are the bd guy and are threatening me or my family or friends, then you would be in a world of hurt.

I have been vetted by the FBI more times then I have fingers.

Question, are you afraid of an armed officer?
 
Rence said:
I don’t know anyone afraid or unwelcoming of refugees. It’s the sneaking in of terrorists that is unwelcome. We should rather fund creating a safe haven for them in their own country. If someone handed you a bag of skittles, but told you that one of the pieces in the bag was poisoned and would kill you, would you eat out of that bag or even share it with your family and friends? I wouldn’t.
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👍 Good point.
 
Divine3 said:
youtube.com/watch?v=_uSYONGl95Q
Our Middle Eastern Christians who are being killed daily by evil, ignorant, minded Islamic terrorists are not being killed in stadiums, or Pizza Parlors, or at concert halls but are slaughtered in their own homes, slaughtered as they courageously attend mass. The killing of those in Paris was evil but look at the killings of people just wanting the freedom to have their homes, their country and their right to freedom of religion in their countries. This video above tells it all. Obama sits back and does nothing – we get the leaders we deserve as a nation. He has destroyed our Nation but we voted him in. If the Republicans will not support immigration then I will have to write in a name for voting. I will never vote for communist Hillary Clinton but will not vote for republicans who care little for refugees fleeing from this evil and we have let in thousands of Muslims before the first Gulf War. How many of these Muslims are truly peaceful we will have to wait and see.
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On Facebook there’s a thing that says something about all our homeless veterans and how wrong it is to bring in all these refugees and give them housing etc. I agree with that. Let’s take care of our own first.
 
sancte_joseph said:
I hope my fellow Catholics remember the words of Christ.

***"For I was hungry and you gave me food,
I was thirsty and you gave me drink,
I was a stranger and you welcomed me…

Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you…

‘Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me."***

We must not let fear drive us away from the Gospel message.
We must live up to the teachings of Christ, living in hope and love, helping the oppressed.
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So should we let murders in? Those who want to kill us? See that’s the problem, you just can’t let them in without making sure they really are not out to hurt us. We have enough problems without adding murders and terrorist to the mix. We should make a nice place like gitmo (only to prison) to house them temp until thier country is safe for them but not let them on the homeland.
 
Faith1960 said:
On Facebook there’s a thing that says something about all our homeless veterans and how wrong it is to bring in all these refugees and give them housing etc. I agree with that. Let’s take care of our own first.
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There’s the problem, no one wants to help the people here like our homeless vets but we always have to help the rest of the world. I say it’s time that we help us first let the world help themselves and we’ll help when our boys and girls are helped who fought for our freedom. It’s a shame that we let them languish and worry about some muslims.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
But you can say the same thing about those who committ mass shootings. They can be anywhere at any time but we don’t just stay home and lock the doors.
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No, but we learn to be more cautious. It’s about the best we can do these days.
 
cath4alltime said:
There’s the problem, no one wants to help the people here like our homeless vets but we always have to help the rest of the world. I say it’s time that we help us first let the world help themselves and we’ll help when our boys and girls are helped who fought for our freedom. It’s a shame that we let them languish and worry about some muslims.
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I agree, totally.
 
cath4alltime said:
There’s the problem, no one wants to help the people here like our homeless vets but we always have to help the rest of the world. I say it’s time that we help us first let the world help themselves and we’ll help when our boys and girls are helped who fought for our freedom. It’s a shame that we let them languish and worry about some muslims.
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I also agree completely!👍👍
 
cath4alltime said:
There’s the problem, no one wants to help the people here like our homeless vets but we always have to help the rest of the world. I say it’s time that we help us first let the world help themselves and we’ll help when our boys and girls are helped who fought for our freedom. It’s a shame that we let them languish and worry about some muslims.
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Why does it have to be either/or? Why are we pitting one group of victims against another?

The ironic thing is, the politicians saying we can’t help refugees because we have to take care of our own homeless vets are the same ones enacting policies that cause our vets to be homeless in the first place. But now suddenly they care. :rolleyes:
 
Robyn_p said:
Why does it have to be either/or? Why are we pitting one group of victims against another?

The ironic thing is, the politicians saying we can’t help refugees because we have to take care of our own homeless vets are the same ones enacting policies that cause our vets to be homeless in the first place. But now suddenly they care. :rolleyes:
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Please explain this with links as to what is happening.
 
Robyn_p said:
Why does it have to be either/or? Why are we pitting one group of victims against another?

The ironic thing is, the politicians saying we can’t help refugees because we have to take care of our own homeless vets are the same ones enacting policies that cause our vets to be homeless in the first place. But now suddenly they care. :rolleyes:
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I have no idea, but we need to care for our own first. Clean up our house than we can help others clean their house.
 
Michael68 said:
Oh I don’t know, Boston umm Fort Hood just to name two
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The Boston bombers were asylum seekers, not refugees. The process is different:

In the United States, asylum seekers show up at U.S. borders and ask to stay must show they have a well-founded fear of persecution due to their race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or their political opinion if they return to their country of origin. There is an application and investigation process, and the government often detains the asylum seeker during that process.** But the investigation and vetting of the asylum seeker often take place while he is allowed inside of the United States. **Many of the Syrians and others who have entered Europe are asylum seekers who are vetted through similar, less stringent security screens.

Refugees are processed from a great distance away and are more thoroughly vetted than asylum seekers as a result. In the United States, a refugee is somebody who is identified by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in a refugee camp. UNHCR does the first round of security checks on the refugee according to international treaties to which the United States is a party and refers some of those who pass the initial checks to the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP). The referrals are then interviewed by a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) officer abroad. The refugee must be outside the United States, be of special humanitarian concern to the government, demonstrate persecution or fear of persecution due to race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group, and must not be firmly resettled in another country.

Because the refugee is abroad while the U.S. government checks their background, potential terrorist links, and their claims to refugee status, the vetting is a lot more thorough and can take up to two years for non-Syrians. For Syrians, the vetting can take about three years because of the heightened concerns over security.

Asylum seekers, on the other hand, face rigorous checks, but they are conducted while the asylum seeker is inside of the United States and not always while he is in a detention center. Syrians fleeing violence who come to the United States will be refugees, whereas many getting into Europe are asylum seekers. This crucial distinction shows that the United States is in a far better security situation vis-à-vis Europe on any potential terrorist threat from Syrians.

The distinction between asylum seekers and refugees is usually lost when discussing the security threat from refugees. The father of Boston Marathon bombers Tamerlan and Dzokhar Tsarnaev was granted asylum status, which conferred derivative asylum status on the children. **None of the Tsarnaevs were ever refugees. **

cato.org/blog/syrian-refugees-dont-pose-serious-security-threat

So no. Their case doesn’t show a flaw in the system. And neither does the Fort Hood shooter. He was born in the US.

But I’ll say it again, no screening process is 100% foolproof. But that should not be an excuse for refusing to help. There’s always a chance we will get hurt when we do the right thing. But we still do it because that’s the kind of love Christ calls us to.
 
Robyn_p said:
The Boston bombers were asylum seekers, not refugees. The process is different:

In the United States, asylum seekers show up at U.S. borders and ask to stay must show they have a well-founded fear of persecution due to their race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or their political opinion if they return to their country of origin. There is an application and investigation process, and the government often detains the asylum seeker during that process.** But the investigation and vetting of the asylum seeker often take place while he is allowed inside of the United States. **Many of the Syrians and others who have entered Europe are asylum seekers who are vetted through similar, less stringent security screens.

Refugees are processed from a great distance away and are more thoroughly vetted than asylum seekers as a result. In the United States, a refugee is somebody who is identified by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in a refugee camp. UNHCR does the first round of security checks on the refugee according to international treaties to which the United States is a party and refers some of those who pass the initial checks to the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP). The referrals are then interviewed by a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) officer abroad. The refugee must be outside the United States, be of special humanitarian concern to the government, demonstrate persecution or fear of persecution due to race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group, and must not be firmly resettled in another country.

Because the refugee is abroad while the U.S. government checks their background, potential terrorist links, and their claims to refugee status, the vetting is a lot more thorough and can take up to two years for non-Syrians. For Syrians, the vetting can take about three years because of the heightened concerns over security.

Asylum seekers, on the other hand, face rigorous checks, but they are conducted while the asylum seeker is inside of the United States and not always while he is in a detention center. Syrians fleeing violence who come to the United States will be refugees, whereas many getting into Europe are asylum seekers. This crucial distinction shows that the United States is in a far better security situation vis-à-vis Europe on any potential terrorist threat from Syrians.

The distinction between asylum seekers and refugees is usually lost when discussing the security threat from refugees. The father of Boston Marathon bombers Tamerlan and Dzokhar Tsarnaev was granted asylum status, which conferred derivative asylum status on the children. **None of the Tsarnaevs were ever refugees. **

cato.org/blog/syrian-refugees-dont-pose-serious-security-threat

So no. Their case doesn’t show a flaw in the system. And neither does the Fort Hood shooter. He was born in the US.

But I’ll say it again, no screening process is 100% foolproof. But that should not be an excuse for refusing to help. There’s always a chance we will get hurt when we do the right thing. But we still do it because that’s the kind of love Christ calls us to.
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cath4alltime said:
There’s the problem, no one wants to help the people here like our homeless vets but we always have to help the rest of the world. I say it’s time that we help us first let the world help themselves and we’ll help when our boys and girls are helped who fought for our freedom. It’s a shame that we let them languish and worry about some muslims.
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“Some Muslims” are human beings. I don’t recall Christ giving a litmus test in the parable of the Good Samaritan.
 
cath4alltime said:
So should we let murders in? Those who want to kill us? See that’s the problem, you just can’t let them in without making sure they really are not out to hurt us. We have enough problems without adding murders and terrorist to the mix. We should make a nice place like gitmo (only to prison) to house them temp until thier country is safe for them but not let them on the homeland.
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First of all, prior to the this Brave New World we live in, we used to call it AMERICA, not “the Homeland”. :rolleyes: What are we, Klingons?
Secondly please explain how refugees fleeing Isis and a war WE started in Syria are murderers? Does being Muslim make one an instant terrorist?
And you want to put them in a concentration camp?
Incredible.
 
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