Why Are People So Scared of Syrian Refugees?

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How do you do background checks on people who have no birth certificate? What if their documents are fake? What if they plain ol lie?
That’s what the multiple, intensive, interviews are for. They are checked for discrepancies, and corroborated through third parties. The man I quoted earlier who works in the refugee process said one girl he was interviewing was refused entrance because she was not telling the truth on her age and the agency challenged her. That’s how strict they are. That’s why it takes several years to get all the way through. They do their homework.

Again, here’s an article from the Cato Institute - not exactly a liberal institution - describing the process. cato.org/blog/syrian-refugees-dont-pose-serious-security-threat

There’s a lot that goes into it. Far more than any other method of entrance. If we’re worried about the refugee process being faulty then we should equally be worried about those others because they are not near as extensive. It doesn’t make sense to only single that one out because of safety concerns and not the rest.
 
That’s what the multiple, intensive, interviews are for. They are checked for discrepancies, and corroborated through third parties. The man I quoted earlier who works in the refugee process said one girl he was interviewing was refused entrance because she was not telling the truth on her age and the agency challenged her. That’s how strict they are. That’s why it takes several years to get all the way through. They do their homework.

Again, here’s an article from the Cato Institute - not exactly a liberal institution - describing the process. cato.org/blog/syrian-refugees-dont-pose-serious-security-threat

There’s a lot that goes into it. Far more than any other method of entrance. If we’re worried about the refugee process being faulty then we should equally be worried about those others because they are not near as extensive. It doesn’t make sense to only single that one out because of safety concerns and not the rest.
You Really, Truly, believe all that, even when we’re talking about the numbers zero wishes to bring in? Mayhap you should look to the southern part of your state and see how many are making it thru the system.:D:D
 
So just what are the percentages for good versus bad.

You say the “vast, vast, majority”, what is vast, vast majority. Your claim, or some talking head on TV?

I’ve yet to see a hospital 100% without error.
I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me, but it’s high. Too many are not being taken care of at all. Something both the conservative and liberal media outlets have reported on.
 
You Really, Truly, believe all that, even when we’re talking about the numbers zero wishes to bring in? Mayhap you should look to the southern part of your state and see how many are making it thru the system.:D:D
Why do you keep comparing it to the security on the border? I’ve already made clear they are not the same. It’s not even the same situation at all.

What I “believe” is what the facts and statistics, as well as people who have actually worked with refugees and know the process, say. I’m trying to form my opinion on the truth and not just what I’d like to hear.

And sorry, who is zero?
 
Why do you keep comparing it to the security on the border? I’ve already made clear they are not the same. It’s not even the same situation at all.

What I “believe” is what the facts and statistics, as well as people who have actually worked with refugees and know the process, say. I’m trying to form my opinion on the truth and not just what I’d like to hear.

And sorry, who is zero?
But in fact it is the same, just because you don’t admit doesn’t make it not so.

Did they not stop 5 Syrians trying to cross the boarder in Texas I think.

How bout you take them into your neighborhood. Or better yet move up to Detroit and see how you like it there. I understand property is fairly cheap, wonder why!
 
Ridgerunner…Ich bin eine dumpkopf! Nicht verstehe sehr gut! Danke Schoen!
Not sure I know what you said, but maybe I do. Translated, the line: “Frisch weht der wind der heimat zu. Mein Irisch kind wo weliest du?” from the poem is:

“Fresh blows the wind from the homeland. My Irish child, where do you wander?” It’s from T.S. Eliot’s “The Wasteland”. Where he got it, I can’t recall.

I picked that up for reasons unknown to me, but later, when one of my daughters, a very Irish looking one, went to college, I would occasionally email that line to her. One of those family things.
 
I’m wondering, though, what about the small amount of Syrian Christians refugees, though, I’m assuming they would rather not be resettled in a Muslim country where they could not practice their faith freely?
When deciding whether to admit someone into this country, taking his/her religion into consideration is offensive and against our values – I have that from the President of the United States himself.
 
That’s what the multiple, intensive, interviews are for. They are checked for discrepancies, and corroborated through third parties. The man I quoted earlier who works in the refugee process said one girl he was interviewing was refused entrance because she was not telling the truth on her age and the agency challenged her. That’s how strict they are. That’s why it takes several years to get all the way through. They do their homework.

Again, here’s an article from the Cato Institute - not exactly a liberal institution - describing the process. cato.org/blog/syrian-refugees-dont-pose-serious-security-threat

There’s a lot that goes into it. Far more than any other method of entrance. If we’re worried about the refugee process being faulty then we should equally be worried about those others because they are not near as extensive. It doesn’t make sense to only single that one out because of safety concerns and not the rest.
And you think this would stop them (ISIS) from all using the same ID as they found in Paris on one of the murderers who killed kids attending a concert?
 
Is the process 100% foolproof? No. Nothing is. But the actual risk from terrorists infiltrating through the refugee process is so low, it doesn’t make sense to refuse help to refugees on that basis. Seriously. If ISIS wanted to attack us, all they’d have to do is forge a passport or a student visa, hop on a plane and they’d be here in two days. Why would they bother waiting in a refugee camp for several years on the off-chance they MIGHT be allowed in?
First, I would never in a million years trust the United Nations with vetting refugees to guarantee the safety of the American people. The passport or student visa issue is a separate matter altogether, with its own perilous risks that need to be resolved.

The terrorists will find a way to our shores, whether it’s the refugee crisis, infiltrating through the Southern border, overstaying a visa, etc.

We have to be smarter.

That doesn’t mean we need to let them into our country. If we want to show compassion, there are many ways to do so without bringing them here. We could create a no-fly zone, as some on both sides of the political aisle have suggested. We can provide food, shelter, etc.

We need to wake up and realize that we are at war with these radicals whether we realize it or not. Every day, the threat level continues to escalate.

We have enough Americans in hardship here already that we need to help. I don’t know why we have to be so concerned about foreign refugees that could pose a major terrorist threat when we have huge numbers of homeless, unemployed, and elderly Americans here that need our help first.

We also need to take care of our military veterans. They should be a higher priority than foreign refugees. Once we take care of our veterans, secure our borders, stop the passport and visa abuse, and have a foolproof refugee vetting process, then and only then can we even consider taking on enormous costs and risks associated with adding more foreign refugees to our population.
 
First, I would never in a million years trust the United Nations with vetting refugees to guarantee the safety of the American people. The passport or student visa issue is a separate matter altogether, with its own perilous risks that need to be resolved.

The terrorists will find a way to our shores, whether it’s the refugee crisis, infiltrating through the Southern border, overstaying a visa, etc.

We have to be smarter.

That doesn’t mean we need to let them into our country. If we want to show compassion, there are many ways to do so without bringing them here. We could create a no-fly zone, as some on both sides of the political aisle have suggested. We can provide food, shelter, etc.

We need to wake up and realize that we are at war with these radicals whether we realize it or not. Every day, the threat level continues to escalate.

We have enough Americans in hardship here already that we need to help. I don’t know why we have to be so concerned about foreign refugees that could pose a major terrorist threat when we have huge numbers of homeless, unemployed, and elderly Americans here that need our help first.

We also need to take care of our military veterans. They should be a higher priority than foreign refugees. Once we take care of our veterans, secure our borders, stop the passport and visa abuse, and have a foolproof refugee vetting process, then and only then can we even consider taking on enormous costs and risks associated with adding more foreign refugees to our population.
Common sense reigns supreme!:)🙂
 
When deciding whether to admit someone into this country, taking his/her religion into consideration is offensive and against our values – I have that from the President of the United States himself.
You mean the one who said could keep our plan, keep our doctor and save $2500 per year?
😉
Jon
 
But in fact it is the same, just because you don’t admit doesn’t make it not so.

Did they not stop 5 Syrians trying to cross the boarder in Texas I think.

How bout you take them into your neighborhood. Or better yet move up to Detroit and see how you like it there. I understand property is fairly cheap, wonder why!
How on earth is it even remotely the same? Syrian refugees are processed in a camp outside the United States, only a handful are chosen to be relocated, and those are only allowed in after a two year vetting process. None of that happens on the border because it is not secure. If we lived in Europe the situations would be comparable, but we don’t. We have two thousand miles of ocean between us.

If anything, all your comparison and example show is exactly what I’ve been saying all along. It’s much easier for people to infiltrate the United States through other channels than the refugee process. Like our southern border. And yet…all our focus is on the refugee process, which so far no terrorist has successfully attacked us through.

Here’s a thought: what if this is exactly what Daesh wants us to do? Stay distracted with the refugees so they can sneak in where we are not looking.
 
We are not afraid of refugees. We want them vetted. ISIS is infiltrating them. Why are so many men in the refugees, they should sign up for their armies. Also, it was genocide for the Christians and Catholics. Why are they not sent here first? We can take the Muslim women and children but the men need to be trained as soldiers and sent back.

ISLAMIC PROPHECY = WHEN ALL ARAB STATES ARE IN TURMOIL (THE ARAB SPRING) THE 12TH PROPHET WILL ARISE, THE GREAT MAHADI. GOOGLE 12TH PROPHET. AND THE MUSLIMS WILL RISE UP AND BUILD A CALIPHATE THAT WILL COVER THE EARTH.

GOD HELP US.
in Christ’s love,
Tweedlealice 🤷
 
“Some Muslims” are human beings. I don’t recall Christ giving a litmus test in the parable of the Good Samaritan.
So are vets, where’s your compassion for your own? Do you even care about your own country?
First of all, prior to the this Brave New World we live in, we used to call it AMERICA, not “the Homeland”. :rolleyes: What are we, Klingons?
Secondly please explain how refugees fleeing Isis and a war WE started in Syria are murderers? Does being Muslim make one an instant terrorist?
And you want to put them in a concentration camp?
Incredible.
Got my answer to the question.
 
So are vets, where’s your compassion for your own? Do you even care about your own country?

Got my answer to the question.
I am not sure that he will get the answer without some explaining.

The Good Samaritan was a parable of Jesus in reply to the question of “Who is my neighbor?” What that means is that your “good” is to be apportioned to those nearby – rather than going hither and yon looking for those to do “good” unto while completely overlooking those most in need nearby. This is otherwise known as the principle of subsidiarity.

In other words, this current situation is much like the Good Samaritan passing by the injured person he is near-to with the excuse that he must help those in the next country.

The problem, it seems to me, is that our globalized morality has completely overturned the principle of subsidiarity on the grounds that as long as you are doing “good” to someone, somewhere, you are a “good” and “moral” person – a “Good Samaritan,” even. This attained “goodness” justifies all manner of negligence and omission regarding those very near so long as the semblance of “goodness” done to someone, somewhere can be maintained.

Not to wander too far off topic, but Judith Jarvis Thompson effectively used the elective nature of the “Good Samaritan” to justify, for pregnant women, their right to dismember, kill and discard the “neighbor” residing closest to them – inside of them, in fact – because we can’t, obviously help everybody so we ought to be able to pick and choose who we want to help as we decide. Goodness becomes not a moral obligation, but an elective procedure, when you have the time and money.

The point of the principle of subsidiarity – and the Good Samaritan parable – is that we, all of us, are morally obligated to do good to those closest to us and not to go about parading or peddling our goodness around the globe until we carry out our local responsibility to our neighbor.

It might even be argued that the crisis currently occurring in the ME is the result of western nations peddling their views about goodness – abortion, permissive sexual behaviour, liberality and moral license, etc. – around the world and since we have such great difficulty taking proper care of our own there is a case to be made that such “goodness” is a hypocritical facade which doesn’t care an iota for its own so why should it be trusted to care about others?

Our house is in complete disarray and so dysfunctional we are unwilling to care for our own babies and our own vulnerable and, yet, here we are willing to invite those outside “our house” into it. To show them what, exactly? Our moral superiority? Our willingness to help? Or our willingness to be gullible fools, more like. That is what happens when “foolishness” dresses itself up as “wisdom,” and parades itself down the runway.

Islam, in this sense, has it essentially correct – we are a “house at war” with ourselves, but we think that a passing show of generosity will set everything right. We have no real commitment to anything “moral” except to demonstrate our moral superiority – let’s call it what it is: braggadocio selling itself. We have to humbly admit our own poverty before we go inflicting our moral superiority on the world. The honest commitment that Muslims have to Islam will soon show up our paltry commitment to our regnant “morality” for what it is – a house of smoke and mirrors. Are we to think they haven’t figured that out yet? We have to stop lying to ourselves.

Their commitment to their miscalculated theology far exceeds our commitment even to basic morality which is why they view it as a splendid opportunity, while we suppose, according to our self-righteousness, that we are bestowing our beneficent “goodness” upon them.
 
ISTM that it might be more inhumane to bring Syrian refugees into the Untied States, into a culture that is completely alien to them. It would be far more humane to finance their settling in predominantly Muslim countries near by. They will be far more comfortable with the culture, and closer to Syria should they choose to return home following the conflict.
Finally, American dollars used on this effort would be far better spent providing supplies for living, as opposed to spending huge numbers of dollars on transportation.

Jon
After listening to a program on EWTN I have changed my thoughts regarding this and agree. There are safe zones that we could be protecting, it said in the show and that people want to live in their countries and not have to move to another. We could be supplying them and we could be meeting with other countries to try and stop this inhuman genocide. We could also stop any negotiating regarding oil with Muslim countries that refuse to help these Christians and Muslims who are being slaughtered by ISIS. Instead we have big corporations working in these Muslims countries and giving them all that they want. Americans – how can they even work there when other Muslims are slaughtering our Christians? All about the almighty dollar.
 
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